Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (15 Viewers)

Is Iraq better now?

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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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if anyone outside iraq supports ISIS, they have serious mental issues, major psychosis. However, baathists and other iraqi sunnis are supporting and fighting alongside ISIS for very practical reasons.
This is very true.

Most Sunni Iraqi's I know, despite hating ISIS, feel that they are pushed to a corner and as a result prefer them to the Maliki regime. I personally don't think that's right, though I'm not one to speak, because during the Libyan revolution I didn't have a problem with extremists fighting on the side of Libyan rebels. I now regret that very much, and wish we had never accepted them. I fear Sunni Iraqi's and Syrians will go through the same experience.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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That is not what I asked you. I asked a simple question to your statement that the regimes of those countries are much worse then ISIS so if you want please answer it if not then don't, but don't deflect like this.

1. Much worse then what ISIS is doing now?

2. Do you think if ISIS were in power they would do better?
:lol: Could you imagine ISIS running countries like Iraq and Syria, or even better, Iran? I'm sure they would be stable, fun-loving nations with Richard Simmons and rainbows on the front of their edifices.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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:lol: Could you imagine ISIS running countries like Iraq and Syria, or even better, Iran? I'm sure they would be stable, fun-loving nations with Richard Simmons and rainbows on the front of their edifices.
THis tbh.


Someone said it best here. They look at the glory period of Islam, and are expressing everything that held it back, back then
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,013
It would be like Nazi Germany on steroids. At least the Nazis would at least gas some family members together instead of beheading them randomly.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Check it out whenever you can. It just got released a couple of hours ago.
    I just watched it.

    The funny thing is that there is a very clear verse in Quran that says: "There should not be any forcing when choosing the religion"
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    This is very true.

    Most Sunni Iraqi's I know, despite hating ISIS, feel that they are pushed to a corner and as a result prefer them to the Maliki regime. I personally don't think that's right, though I'm not one to speak, because during the Libyan revolution I didn't have a problem with extremists fighting on the side of Libyan rebels. I now regret that very much, and wish we had never accepted them. I fear Sunni Iraqi's and Syrians will go through the same experience.

    the question that should be asked in the case of ISIS is why they are so 'strong'? why they of all groups got the army of toyota trucks and weapons?? not to mention the intel, logistics network and other modern army tools that no rebel group can even dream of having? this is WAY bigger than kharijite style rebellion, this is the 'great game' all over again my friend.
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
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    the question that should be asked in the case of ISIS is why they are so 'strong'? why they of all groups got the army of toyota trucks and weapons?? not to mention the intel, logistics network and other modern army tools that no rebel group can even dream of having? this is WAY bigger than kharijite style rebellion, this is the 'great game' all over again my friend.
    Al Qaida/taliban all over again, The US/CIA needed them vs the Soviets so they give them all they needed. Even if ISIS (or groups it later absorbed) got financial support from West/Saudis in general in Syria, they got most of the practical training and aid in Syria to fight Assad from US.

    Difference this time is they didn't need to wait a decade like they did in the 80s for it to backfire on them. Never smart to support extremists, whether it's the murderous shias in Iraq that took their "revenge" on sunnis, or batshit crazy ones like ISIS just because the Assads were getting too cozy with Iran etc.
     
    Mar 9, 2006
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    Al Qaida/taliban all over again, The US/CIA needed them vs the Soviets so they give them all they needed. Even if ISIS (or groups it later absorbed) got financial support from West/Saudis in general in Syria, they got most of the practical training and aid in Syria to fight Assad from US.

    Difference this time is they didn't need to wait a decade like they did in the 80s for it to backfire on them. Never smart to support extremists, whether it's the murderous shias in Iraq that took their "revenge" on sunnis, or batshit crazy ones like ISIS just because the Assads were getting too cozy with Iran etc.
    What i don't understand it's MI-5 position - they knew that many radicals from UK were going to join ISIS and what they did? Nothing, zero arrests, and now they see how their own citizen are beheading their own journalist :sergio:
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    Al Qaida/taliban all over again, The US/CIA needed them vs the Soviets so they give them all they needed. Even if ISIS (or groups it later absorbed) got financial support from West/Saudis in general in Syria, they got most of the practical training and aid in Syria to fight Assad from US.

    Difference this time is they didn't need to wait a decade like they did in the 80s for it to backfire on them. Never smart to support extremists, whether it's the murderous shias in Iraq that took their "revenge" on sunnis, or batshit crazy ones like ISIS just because the Assads were getting too cozy with Iran etc.
    yes but why specifically them and not other rebel groups? i personally dont believe for a second this is another alqaeda experiment gone wrong.
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
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    It doesn't need to be exactly like Al Qaida (that was more international), but there are some similarities in finding them useful so propping them up until they are of no worth to you anymore as your faux army. But interesting that hear what your thoughts are on why specifically them?
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    It doesn't need to be exactly like Al Qaida (that was more international), but there are some similarities in finding them useful so propping them up until they are of no worth to you anymore as your faux army. But interesting that hear what your thoughts are on why specifically them?
    the obvious part is you always want to fund the group that is least politically viable since all you want them to do is fight your proxy war in syria like you mentioned above. But isis is also by definition and name extending to iraq with their main reason to be, and they dont hide it either is the redrawing of iraqi borders. isis is there to balkanize iraq imo
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
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    I just watched it.

    The funny thing is that there is a very clear verse in Quran that says: "There should not be any forcing when choosing the religion"
    Exactly, which is why I cannot understand why certain people have the decency to even sympathise with them.
     

    swag

    L'autista
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    Sep 23, 2003
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    Exactly, which is why I cannot understand why certain people have the decency to even sympathise with them.
    The story of what made Islam great (and still is) versus those who have conveniently ignored or twisted its teachings is one of the great modern tragedies. In some ways, I can't help but feel that the whole religious construct has been taken advantage of by unscrupulous people who have been able to operate unchecked with Islam's lack of any central authority.

    Not that central authority is always a good thing -- every religion has its abusers. But this is how Islam seems to get its abuse.
     

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