Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (31 Viewers)

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    A group related to AlQaeda in Algeria called Al-Ghuraba' today announced it became a part of IS.
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    A group related to AlQaeda in Algeria called Al-Ghuraba' today announced it became a part of IS.
    That effectively means they are breaking away from Al Qaeda, because didn't their leader Ayman Al Dhawahiri denounce IS?

    I never thought I'd see the day where a group breaking away from Al Qaeda would be bad news. In this case it is though, as horrible and as radical as Al Qaeda is, they have never reached the radicalism that IS is at, that is a scary thought. What is even scarier is that it also begs the question; if autocratic regimes, poor economic conditions, and high levels of youth unemployment remain to be the case in most Arab countries, will we see an even more radical group in the future?
     
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    ReBeL

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    That effectively means they are breaking away from Al Qaeda, because didn't their leader Ayman Al Dhawahiri denounce IS?

    I never thought I'd see the day where a group breaking away from Al Qaeda would be bad news. In this case it is though, as horrible and as radical as Al Qaeda is, they have never reached the radicalism that IS is at, that is a scary thought. What is even scarier is that it also begs the question; if autocratic regimes, poor economic conditions, and high levels of youth unemployment remain to be the case in most Arab countries, will we see an even more radical group in the future?
    It seems we will see more radical groups as long as we are ruled by dictators...
     

    Siamak

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    They use the methods of their owners.

    Its shows The nature of this Brainwashed cult of Injustic they have invested on their ideology from the past until now
    Pan kurdish ideology!
    Usa and isreal help them and give kurdish idea to be dream about create a new country that called kurdestan
    Invest on kurdestan state for achieve their goals
     

    Fred

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    Which are almost inevitable conditions in autocratic and corrupt regimes. I'll be more specific here, you could have an autocratic regime politically, but relatively free of corruption, and adopting a form of free market system(see Singapore, China, Malaysia) in those cases you probably would not have it that bad as its only political freedoms that citizens lack, but they're relatively free in everything else, their countries would probably boast a high standard of living, education, infrastructure and all that would probably be at a decent level.

    But when you have the extremely autocratic regimes like the Libya's and Syria's of the world, where not only is there a lack of political freedom, but corruption is rampant, almost everything in society is centralized with the political elite. In those countries, there almost always is poor education, sub par infrastructure, unemployment, corruption, etc. Those are breeding grounds for extremists. Toppling the regime in those countries comes with disastrous results as we've seen in Libya, Iraq and Syria.

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    But the foundations were layed prior to that.

    In any case, dictatorship/no dictatorship isn't the sole, or even most important determinant.

    But dictatorship/no dictatorship are probably one of the main factors leading to the existence of those determinants you're referring to.
     

    Ocelot

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    Which are almost inevitable conditions in autocratic and corrupt regimes. I'll be more specific here, you could have an autocratic regime politically, but relatively free of corruption, and adopting a form of free market system(see Singapore, China, Malaysia) in those cases you probably would not have it that bad as its only political freedoms that citizens lack, but they're relatively free in everything else, their countries would probably boast a high standard of living, education, infrastructure and all that would probably be at a decent level.

    But when you have the extremely autocratic regimes like the Libya's and Syria's of the world, where not only is there a lack of political freedom, but corruption is rampant, almost everything in society is centralized with the political elite. In those countries, there almost always is poor education, sub par infrastructure, unemployment, corruption, etc. Those are breeding grounds for extremists. Toppling the regime in those countries comes with disastrous results as we've seen in Libya, Iraq and Syria.

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    But dictatorship/no dictatorship are probably one of the main factors leading to the existence of those determinants you're referring to.
    Exactly, economic & cultural reasons are the main reasons for extremist militant groups, less the type of regime imo.
    And you know I kinda have to disagree with you mentioning a free-market system Asian Tiger-style as being fundamental, Latin America proves as a counterpoint here ;)

    To your last sentence, I'd argue that the causality is opposite actually, meaning rather desolate socioeconomic circumstances lead to autocratic governments more than the other way round, although there are of course feedback loops.
     

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