Iranian elections (6 Viewers)

[Ford Prefect]

Iv not noticed a thread on the Iranian elections so thought i would start one, esp as islam and politics seems to be such a big thing between a few posters.

I dont see any real change comming to the country regardless of whether this 'revolution' succeeds. I was listening to 'Any Questions' earlier and a tory mp said two things that kind of sum up the situation.

"it was a bloody revolution that put these nutcasses in power, and it will only be a bloody revolution that will take them out again"

and rather damningly

"i only see the current situation ending with a Tiananmen Square esque massacre."

i may have the wording wrong on those two, but the general idea is right.

 

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[Red]

I think Ahmadinejad won the election.

 

[Byrone]

You mean stole the elections.

 

[Red]

You mean stole the elections.

No I think he probably did win.

I doubt he won by as much as is being claimed, though.

 

[Osman]

No I think he probably did win.

I doubt he won by as much as is being claimed, though.

May I remind you that, they proclaimed him as the winner, just 2 or so hours after the voting was done? In an election of 40m manual votes. I mean, like, they didnt even bother to make it a credible stealing FFS.

And I mean, really pretty much whole of Iran rebelling/protesting for a full week now, when they voted for him? Makes sense much? (state employees was were forced to take part in his sham celebration under threat, because it was hardly attended I mean, sounds like the legit winner doesnt it?):

And this translation of an official document that was presented in European parliament might interest your take on things: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Interior Ministery (emblem of the islamic republilc)
Islamic Republic of Iran Date: 1388, 3, 23
Interior Ministery (2009-06-13)

To the great leader his highness Ayatollah Khamenei

Salam-on aleikom (Hi in Arabic and Persian)

According to the concern that his highness has expressed about the results of the tenth preidential election and your preference that Dr. Mahmood Ahmadinejad should remain as the president in this critical period of time, everything has been planed/organized in such a way that the results that will be announced to the public are in line with the best interest of the regime and revolution and that every measure has been taken to meet the eventual events that follow the election, also the heads of the parties and the candidates are under severe servailence/observation/control.

We would like to inform you of the real results of the elections so it can be documented:

Total number of votes: 42,026.078
Mir Hossien Musavi Khamene: 19,075,623
Mehdi Karrubi: 13,387,104
Mahmood Ahmadinejad: 5,698,417
Mohsen Rezai: 3,754,218
Invalid votes: 38,716

The interior minister
Sadegh Mahsooli
(signature)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[C4ISR]

I know it won't happen, but get rid of the "Supreme Leader". A religious dictator. He gave a nice veiled threat to the protesters yesterday.

 

[swag]

This belongs in the "Fiction" sub-forum.

 

[Alen]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-276920

http://keepvid.com/?url=http://www....hpook/comments&feature=player_embedded?hl=0e9

The girl is alive at the start of the video and she dies few seconds later, with her father there, screaming "stay" at her while she's dying, desperately trying to do something.
I definitely won't sleep after watching this.

She was killed by the Basij, Ahmadinejad supporting paramilitary group.
From what i've been told, the Basiji who killed the girl, had apparently shot her from a high place and he'd exactly aimed the girl's heart.
The protests after the elections still didn't stop and the girl was there with her father.

They're killing their own people

 

[Bjerknes]

It's a whole new Tiananmen Square, what we're seeing here. The violence will only grow and things will probably spin out of control fairly rapidly.

Question is, where does it end? In some ways, I could actually see how an Israeli strike may help Ahmedinijhad during this time of protest. Hmmm. Wonder what that means.

Just stay out, US. We've done a good job doing that thus far, so lets not let that slide now.

Of course, Lord knows what the CIA is doing within all this.

 

[KB824]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-276920

http://keepvid.com/?url=http://www....hpook/comments&feature=player_embedded?hl=0e9

The girl is alive at the start of the video and she dies few seconds later, with her father there, screaming "stay" at her while she's dying, desperately trying to do something.
I definitely won't sleep after watching this.

She was killed by the Basij, Ahmadinejad supporting paramilitary group.
From what i've been told, the Basiji who killed the girl, had apparently shot her from a high place and he'd exactly aimed the girl's heart.
The protests after the elections still didn't stop and the girl was there with her father.

They're killing their own people

The look in her eyes at the 7 second mark. Oh man.

 

[.zero]

the way things are going right now, Iran is heading straight for the top

 

[Bjerknes]

Bunch of fucking retards in their government. But what else is new?

Governments are known for their criminality.

 

[.zero]

Bunch of fucking retards in their government. But what else is new?

Governments are known for their criminality.

no dissension here on either front

 

[Fred]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-276920

http://keepvid.com/?url=http://www....hpook/comments&feature=player_embedded?hl=0e9

The girl is alive at the start of the video and she dies few seconds later, with her father there, screaming "stay" at her while she's dying, desperately trying to do something.
I definitely won't sleep after watching this.

She was killed by the Basij, Ahmadinejad supporting paramilitary group.
From what i've been told, the Basiji who killed the girl, had apparently shot her from a high place and he'd exactly aimed the girl's heart.
The protests after the elections still didn't stop and the girl was there with her father.

They're killing their own people

This shit is fucking sad. Nothing new though, unfortunately this is how governments operate in this part of the world.

Oh and there is not much difference between killing your own people or killing others. Both are terrorism and both are crimes in my eyes.

 

[Seven]

This shit is fucking sad. Nothing new though, unfortunately this is how governments operate in this part of the world.

Oh and there is not much difference between killing your own people or killing others. Both are terrorism and both are crimes in my eyes.

So basically you're going to sit back and relax?

 

[Brandmon]

Now the state TV is calling the protesters. 'terrorists' :rofl2:

Seriously, the Iranian government is one of those governments that just shouldn't exist if we want a better world. Simply put, a Theocratic form of government is seriously flawed in a world where man knows that the spaghetti monster doesn't exist. And lets not forget that Iran is the closest thing to Nazi Germany in terms of Anti Semitism. Need I say more?

 

[Seven]

Now the state TV is calling the protesters. 'terrorists' :rofl2:

Seriously, the Iranian government is one of those governments that just shouldn't exist if we want a better world. Simply put, a Theocratic form of government is seriously flawed in a world where man knows that the spaghetti monster doesn't exist. And lets not forget that Iran is the closest thing to Nazi Germany in terms of Anti Semitism. Need I say more?

Agreed. But the questions are:

1) Are you arrogant enough to step in?
2) How are you going to step in?

In some parts of the world you can't simply install democracy. If you have a country that has been dictated by a muslim regime for years, democracy will be very messy in the beginning.

 

[Brandmon]

Agreed. But the questions are:

1) Are you arrogant enough to step in?
2) How are you going to step in?

In some parts of the world you can't simply install democracy. If you have a country that has been dictated by a muslim regime for years, democracy will be very messy in the beginning.

Indeed. I don't see change happening in the near future at all unless this gets all messy and a civil war breaks out. The only way that could change is when Muslim tradition dies down (which is not any time soon) or if there is a radical change in ideology (be it by a new elected leader or revolution).

But as Andy has mentioned, the best thing the US can do is ignore them. As long as Iran doesn't go 'beyond the red line'. A good historical example of this is the Cold War. Both the US and the USSR didn't cross this 'red line', only got very close to doing, waiting for the other to cross it but still neither was willing to cross such line because they knew the consequences and luckily for us hell didn't break lose. And so and the world was the one that benefited from that all.

 

[Seven]

This is not like the Cold War. It's not about Iran posing a threat to the US. If it was, Iran would have stopped existing by now.

 

[Brandmon]

This is not like the Cold War. It's not about Iran posing a threat to the US. If it was, Iran would have stopped existing by now.

Funny that. I think that the last time I watched the news, North Korea was developing nuclear research for energy and missile research for space travel. Hmm...

And of course it won't end up like a Cold war. If Iran had the power to match the USSR, things could have been a wee different. But any modern conflicts of any size between two nations start with one simple act. Provocation. No war starts without reason or aim and no war starts without a 'Just cause'.

My point is that the West (US, EU, UN all that) should not intervene with anything Iran related at all and only do so when necessary and with caution. If the West imposes actions against the Iranian state, (be it by trade embargos, threats etc) then the state has the means to say to the people 'Look! The West are doing harm to us! they are our enemies!' In turn the dictator gains the support he needs and he can do anything he like with minimal civilian opposition.