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Like Tudor said, I'd have thought Brazilians would be more concentrated in states like Florida and California.
Neymar is world class, I really think if he was playing in a team that didn't have Messi he'd be getting more praise and attention than he is right now. I can't believe some people rate Hazard on the same level as Neymar, and this coming from someone who rates and has always rated Hazard very highly.
For me , Neymar is second only to the freak duo of Messi and C.Ronaldo in terms of ability.
Neymar is world class, I really think if he was playing in a team that didn't have Messi he'd be getting more praise and attention than he is right now. I can't believe some people rate Hazard on the same level as Neymar, and this coming from someone who rates and has always rated Hazard very highly.
For me , Neymar is second only to the freak duo of Messi and C.Ronaldo in terms of ability.
Messi/Ronaldo are really messing with a whole generation of good footballers. Those fuckers should be gone already. Even if Neymar had picked another club and had a season much better than any of the 2, we both know people would still vote for Messi/Ronaldo. Hazard is not half the player Neymar is.
But it's just the way Football is now, tbh. Before when there was a 3-foreigners rule, teams would have 2 top foreign players and 1 really good and the rest average. Real Madrid alone has a top player for each position, probably even the whole bench as well. Look at Bayern...
There's a maldistribution of good players around. They're packed in the same teams.
But it's just the way Football is now, tbh. Before when there was a 3-foreigners rule, teams would have 2 top foreign players and 1 really good and the rest average. Real Madrid alone has a top player for each position, probably even the whole bench as well. Look at Bayern...
There's a maldistribution of good players around. They're packed in the same teams.
This is where I disagree, I think he's been extremely vital to Barcelona's success. I just think he hasn't been getting the praise he deserves because Messi is there. In normal circumstances, an inside forward in a 4-3-3 scoring 22 league goals and 10 champions league goals in a season is absolutely spectacular. A lot of his goals have been decisive ones, and many have been as a result of individual brilliance. He's created many goals and chances and has generally performed consistently throughout the year too. The fact that he isn't the best player in a team that has Messi in it, takes nothing away from him to be honest.
It would be a lot more interesting if he does move to a team where he's the main man, that's for sure. Though I doubt he's as interested as we are in making things interesting
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The bolded part could not be more true
That's the reason there's an imbalance these days, everyone has bought into the hype of the Barca - Real axis, including the players, so many prefer to be a rotation player in those teams than being the main man in another top team that is perhaps less glamorous(at least these days).
Hazard is indeed on a much lower level than Neymar. I was shocked to see FIFA for example giving Hazard a higher overall rating(I know it doesn't always mean much, but giving him a higher overall rating does imply they believe he's on the same level at the very least if not higher)
It would be a lot more interesting if he does move to a team where he's the main man, that's for sure. Though I doubt he's as interested as we are in making things interesting
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The bolded part could not be more true
That's the reason there's an imbalance these days, everyone has bought into the hype of the Barca - Real axis, including the players, so many prefer to be a rotation player in those teams than being the main man in another top team that is perhaps less glamorous(at least these days).
Hazard is indeed on a much lower level than Neymar. I was shocked to see FIFA for example giving Hazard a higher overall rating(I know it doesn't always mean much, but giving him a higher overall rating does imply they believe he's on the same level at the very least if not higher)
The bolded part could not be more true
That's the reason there's an imbalance these days, everyone has bought into the hype of the Barca - Real axis, including the players, so many prefer to be a rotation player in those teams than being the main man in another top team that is perhaps less glamorous(at least these days).
Hazard is indeed on a much lower level than Neymar. I was shocked to see FIFA for example giving Hazard a higher overall rating(I know it doesn't always mean much, but giving him a higher overall rating does imply they believe he's on the same level at the very least if not higher)
That's the reason there's an imbalance these days, everyone has bought into the hype of the Barca - Real axis, including the players, so many prefer to be a rotation player in those teams than being the main man in another top team that is perhaps less glamorous(at least these days).
Hazard is indeed on a much lower level than Neymar. I was shocked to see FIFA for example giving Hazard a higher overall rating(I know it doesn't always mean much, but giving him a higher overall rating does imply they believe he's on the same level at the very least if not higher)
FIFA is best sold in the UK and well, the PL is most followed/watched league. It's easy marketing. Kids want to see their PL players being the best, so there you go.
Talisca - 21 - Benfica
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Now we finally may be seeing a new good generation rising up in Brazil.
That Gabriel Jesus kid from Palmeiras (18 yr old striker) seems like he could be huge, a new star on the rise. It's been a while since I don't see a kid like him.
Other young guys, who are playing constantly for professionals and already are some of the best playes of the current league (the best in bold):
GKs:
- Alisson (22 yrs - Internacional)
CBs:
- Jemerson (23yrs - Atletico MG)
- Lucão (19yrs - Sao Paulo)
- Lyanco (19 yrs - Sao Paulo)
- Samir (20 yrs - Flamengo)
- Marlon (20 yrs - Fluminense)
- Manoel (25 yrs - Cruzeiro)
- Lucas Claro (23 - Coritiba)
- Luan (22 - Vasco)
LBs:
- Guilherme Arana (18yrs - Corinthians)
- Douglas Santos (21yrs - Atletico MG)
- Jorge (19 yrs - Flamengo)
- Caju (20 yrs - Santos)
- Leonardo (19 yrs - Fluminense)
- Gustavo Scarpa (21 yrs - Fluminense)
- Renê (22 yrs - Sport)
- Gerferson (21 - Internacional)
RBs:
- Auro (19yrs - Sao Paulo)
- João Pedro (18 yrs - Palmeiras)
- William (20 - Internacional)
- Mayke (22 - Cruzeiro)
DMs:
- Walace (20 yrs - Gremio)
- Rodrigo Caio (22 yrs - Sao Paulo)
- Thiago Mendes (23 yrs - Sao Paulo)
CMs:
- Marciel (20 yrs - Corinthians)
- Gabriel (23 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Alison (22 yrs - Santos)
- Thiago Maia (18 yrs - Santos)
- Douglas (19 - Fluminense)
- Rodrigo Dourado (21 - Internacional)
- Marcus Vinicius (20 - Cruzeiro)
AMs:
-Giovanni Augusto (26yrs - late bloomer - Atletico MG)
- Lucas Lima (25 yrs - late bloomer - Santos)
- Gerson (18 yrs - Fluminense)
- Valdivia (20 - Internacional)
SS/Wingers:
- Malcom (LW - 18yrs - Corinthians)
- Carlos (LW - 20 yrs - Atletico Mineiro)
- Luan (striker - 22 yrs - Gremio)
- Marcos Guilherme (LW - 20 yrs - Atletico PR)
- Marcelo Cirino (RW - 23 yrs - Flamengo)
- Dudu (LW - 23 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Kelvin (RW - 22 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Gabriel Jesus (striker - 18 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Gabriel (striker - 19 yrs - Santos)
- Geuvânio (RW - 23 - Santos)
- Marcos Jr (SS - 22 - Fluminense)
- Eduardo Sasha (SS - 22 - Internacional)
- Vitinho (LW - 21 - Internacional)
- Taiberson (RW - 21 - Internacional)
- Alisson (LW - 22 - Cruzeiro)
- Judivan (striker - 20 - Cruzeiro)
- Biro Biro (SS - 20 - Ponte Preta)
- Clayton (SS - 19 - Figueirense)
- Erik (SS - 21 - Goias)
CFs:
- Douglas Coutinho (21 yrs - Atletico PR)
- Vinicius Araujo (22 - Cruzeiro)
- Thalles (20 - Vasco)
- Luis Henrique (17 - Botafogo)
Situation was pretty bad, but I think there is revamped talent in Brazil today. Almost all of these kids are established starting players or in team rotation. Many here have WC potential IMO, the ones in bold. Juventus should look at Brazil and see what we have here right now, things seem to be changed.
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Now we finally may be seeing a new good generation rising up in Brazil.
That Gabriel Jesus kid from Palmeiras (18 yr old striker) seems like he could be huge, a new star on the rise. It's been a while since I don't see a kid like him.
Other young guys, who are playing constantly for professionals and already are some of the best playes of the current league (the best in bold):
GKs:
- Alisson (22 yrs - Internacional)
CBs:
- Jemerson (23yrs - Atletico MG)
- Lucão (19yrs - Sao Paulo)
- Lyanco (19 yrs - Sao Paulo)
- Samir (20 yrs - Flamengo)
- Marlon (20 yrs - Fluminense)
- Manoel (25 yrs - Cruzeiro)
- Lucas Claro (23 - Coritiba)
- Luan (22 - Vasco)
LBs:
- Guilherme Arana (18yrs - Corinthians)
- Douglas Santos (21yrs - Atletico MG)
- Jorge (19 yrs - Flamengo)
- Caju (20 yrs - Santos)
- Leonardo (19 yrs - Fluminense)
- Gustavo Scarpa (21 yrs - Fluminense)
- Renê (22 yrs - Sport)
- Gerferson (21 - Internacional)
RBs:
- Auro (19yrs - Sao Paulo)
- João Pedro (18 yrs - Palmeiras)
- William (20 - Internacional)
- Mayke (22 - Cruzeiro)
DMs:
- Walace (20 yrs - Gremio)
- Rodrigo Caio (22 yrs - Sao Paulo)
- Thiago Mendes (23 yrs - Sao Paulo)
CMs:
- Marciel (20 yrs - Corinthians)
- Gabriel (23 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Alison (22 yrs - Santos)
- Thiago Maia (18 yrs - Santos)
- Douglas (19 - Fluminense)
- Rodrigo Dourado (21 - Internacional)
- Marcus Vinicius (20 - Cruzeiro)
AMs:
-Giovanni Augusto (26yrs - late bloomer - Atletico MG)
- Lucas Lima (25 yrs - late bloomer - Santos)
- Gerson (18 yrs - Fluminense)
- Valdivia (20 - Internacional)
SS/Wingers:
- Malcom (LW - 18yrs - Corinthians)
- Carlos (LW - 20 yrs - Atletico Mineiro)
- Luan (striker - 22 yrs - Gremio)
- Marcos Guilherme (LW - 20 yrs - Atletico PR)
- Marcelo Cirino (RW - 23 yrs - Flamengo)
- Dudu (LW - 23 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Kelvin (RW - 22 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Gabriel Jesus (striker - 18 yrs - Palmeiras)
- Gabriel (striker - 19 yrs - Santos)
- Geuvânio (RW - 23 - Santos)
- Marcos Jr (SS - 22 - Fluminense)
- Eduardo Sasha (SS - 22 - Internacional)
- Vitinho (LW - 21 - Internacional)
- Taiberson (RW - 21 - Internacional)
- Alisson (LW - 22 - Cruzeiro)
- Judivan (striker - 20 - Cruzeiro)
- Biro Biro (SS - 20 - Ponte Preta)
- Clayton (SS - 19 - Figueirense)
- Erik (SS - 21 - Goias)
CFs:
- Douglas Coutinho (21 yrs - Atletico PR)
- Vinicius Araujo (22 - Cruzeiro)
- Thalles (20 - Vasco)
- Luis Henrique (17 - Botafogo)
Situation was pretty bad, but I think there is revamped talent in Brazil today. Almost all of these kids are established starting players or in team rotation. Many here have WC potential IMO, the ones in bold. Juventus should look at Brazil and see what we have here right now, things seem to be changed.
Brazil will never stop producing good players, it's a huge country almost the size of whole Europe, minus Russia, that still breathes Football. There will always be some good new kid.
The problem is tactical. Unless new Ronaldos and Rivaldos to carry the NT on their shoulders to invalidating the need of a good manager, then it will still be shit when faced with the top teams.
The problem is tactical. Unless new Ronaldos and Rivaldos to carry the NT on their shoulders to invalidating the need of a good manager, then it will still be shit when faced with the top teams.
Disagree, it's been technical as seen the few great players produced the past years.
Biggest problem is that in youth ranks they got used to trying to groom the strong kid, which was once the profile that was looked for in Europe, instead of giving a chance to the talented small/skinny kid.
Also fundamentals training is shit, being the reason why kids don't develop good IQ, football intelligence, to think during the game, specially midfielders.
It's also related to the new age, where they sell young guys to Eastern Europe, Asia and Arabic countries, where they have to adjust to very diferent cultures, while still immature, and where football level is very low, so they don't develop properly.
But I see a different inbreed of young talent at Brazil right now, much better than 5 years ago.
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Also, a few years ago, Brazilian clubs were richer than ever, paying crazy salaries. So they spent a big chunk of it on experienced players who earned a lot coming from these alternative markets (Ukraine, Arabia, etc).
Now that the financial crisis has hit the clubs and they can't afford the commitments they made, salaries are lower and there is much more space to youngsters.
Biggest problem is that in youth ranks they got used to trying to groom the strong kid, which was once the profile that was looked for in Europe, instead of giving a chance to the talented small/skinny kid.
Also fundamentals training is shit, being the reason why kids don't develop good IQ, football intelligence, to think during the game, specially midfielders.
It's also related to the new age, where they sell young guys to Eastern Europe, Asia and Arabic countries, where they have to adjust to very diferent cultures, while still immature, and where football level is very low, so they don't develop properly.
But I see a different inbreed of young talent at Brazil right now, much better than 5 years ago.
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Also, a few years ago, Brazilian clubs were richer than ever, paying crazy salaries. So they spent a big chunk of it on experienced players who earned a lot coming from these alternative markets (Ukraine, Arabia, etc).
Now that the financial crisis has hit the clubs and they can't afford the commitments they made, salaries are lower and there is much more space to youngsters.
Not only technical, as we have quite a few examples of nobodies in the Brazilian league who became some of the best players around. Douglas Costa is a good example of someone who was bashed time and time again by the same stupid Brazilian experts who are now looking like the fools they are. If it was all a technical issue we'd be producing nothing, nada.
Not only fundamentals trainings but our "professores" are simply not up to par. Not a single one. For many reasons, i don't care to name them all but here's a few;
Germany spent IIRC 1 billion in the development of their youngsters. Opened hundreds of new Training centers, employing AND teaching a new vision of how to play modern Football to thousands of new coaches. That's how you really change things for the long run. This will NEVER EVER happen in Brazil for reasons you and I both know. Brazilians are not cut out for it. Simply not in the DNA. They can't even clean the fucking bay where you have literally garbage floating around and damaging boats for the Olympics. So no, just no.
So what you get is a National team in ruins. A bunch of good players put together with no direction nor guiding. You can't expect the national team to turn things around when it's ran by people who are stuck in the past, from our federation to our management board.
Again, it's all fine and dandy having a better inbreed of talent coming out of the country but unless they explode into Neymar-level stars and do it all themselves, the NT will be humiliated time and time again by much better tactical oriented teams.
Not only fundamentals trainings but our "professores" are simply not up to par. Not a single one. For many reasons, i don't care to name them all but here's a few;
Germany spent IIRC 1 billion in the development of their youngsters. Opened hundreds of new Training centers, employing AND teaching a new vision of how to play modern Football to thousands of new coaches. That's how you really change things for the long run. This will NEVER EVER happen in Brazil for reasons you and I both know. Brazilians are not cut out for it. Simply not in the DNA. They can't even clean the fucking bay where you have literally garbage floating around and damaging boats for the Olympics. So no, just no.
So what you get is a National team in ruins. A bunch of good players put together with no direction nor guiding. You can't expect the national team to turn things around when it's ran by people who are stuck in the past, from our federation to our management board.
Again, it's all fine and dandy having a better inbreed of talent coming out of the country but unless they explode into Neymar-level stars and do it all themselves, the NT will be humiliated time and time again by much better tactical oriented teams.
