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[king Ale]

What's the proof behind the Chelsea match?

Oh boy, I'm looking forward to this.

No proof at all. What proof can I bring for the Korea game? Nothing. What can I bring to prove that Ahmadinejad stole the elections? None. That's why Barca won the CL, Korea advanced to the semis and Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran.

It's only what I DID see. The help Korea got in the World Cup and the help Barca got against Chelsea didn't look normal to me. Ahmadinejad winning the elections with an 11 million vote margin didn't add up to me. Those are my personal observations. I never even tried to make anyone buy them.

 

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[Bjerknes]

You know what I meant with America and we also know very well that you believed/believe(?) your government was behind 9/11 (I mean, we two discussed it in the forums, how can I forget it?).

That's what you are doing every time Andy. I have to either support my government to die obeying whatever they say and accepting whatever they do or I have to fight with them with guns. There is no other way, is it?

You can be annoyed with your government, you can criticize them, I even don't know what happens there so what an American thinks of his government is most probably more objective than what I do but to say that you are not biased towards your national football team only because you criticize your government doesn't make sense.

That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not sure what happened on 9/11, but it's clear somebody had prior knowledge. And when do you see me making excuses for my national team? I never do that, you know that. I paint this team with the same brush as I do Juve. If we suck, we suck, and that's all there is to it.

Of course this has nothing to do with how Italy can't control crowds and Azzurri fans blame everyone else for whatever happens to them, but that's still a good tactic. Start making up stuff about the opponent in the debate.

You are a patriot because you speak out against your government. That was the original definition of patriotism.

 

[Bjerknes]

No proof at all. What proof can I bring for the Korea game? Nothing. What can I bring to prove that Ahmadinejad stole the elections? None. That's why Barca won the CL, Korea advanced to the semis and Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran.

It's only what I DID see. The help Korea got in the World Cup and the help Barca got against Chelsea didn't look normal to me. Ahmadinejad winning the elections with an 11 million vote margin didn't add up to me. Those are my personal observations. I never even tried to make anyone buy them.

I respect your view on the Iranian elections. But the others I don't, not because you're Iranian, but because your judgement is clouded by your love for the team.

 

[king Ale]

That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not sure what happened on 9/11, but it's clear somebody had prior knowledge. And when do you see me making excuses for my national team? I never do that, you know that. I paint this team with the same brush as I do Juve. If we suck, we suck, and that's all there is to it.

Of course this has nothing to do with how Italy can't control crowds and Azzurri fans blame everyone else for whatever happens to them, but that's still a good tactic. Start making up stuff about the opponent in the debate.

You are a patriot because you speak out against your government. That was the original definition of patriotism.

Salvo said you wouldn't have said the same thing if it was America instead of Italy in what happened last night. I wouldn't say that as it wasn't America instead of Italy last night and I would never know how you'd react to that but to say that you'd take an objective stance (which in this matter is criticizing the US police force in the stadium) only because you are known (to Fred and Abed) for criticizing your government is nonsense. In fact, if UEFA put the whole blame on Serbia, I won't be the one supporting Italy's police force only because I'm a fan of their football team but you (by your own logic) will be the one blaming Italy for anything only because you dislike their national team (it sucks to draw conclusions like you do ).

 

[king Ale]

I respect your view on the Iranian elections. But the others I don't, not because you're Iranian, but because your judgement is clouded by your love for the team.

Ok. Only for your information, I don't love Spain. I actually don't dislike any national team more than I dislike them.

 

[Bjerknes]

Salvo said you wouldn't have said the same thing if it was America instead of Italy in what happened last night. I wouldn't say that as it wasn't America instead of Italy last night and I would never know how you'd react to that but to say that you'd take an objective stance (which in this matter is criticizing the US police force in the stadium) only because you are known (to Fred and Abed) for criticizing your government is nonsense. In fact, if UEFA put the whole blame on Serbia, I won't be the one supporting Italy's police force only because I'm a fan of their football team but you (by your own logic) will be the one blaming Italy for anything only because you dislike their national team (it sucks to draw conclusions like you do ).

Depending on the circumstances, I would blame our authorities for a situation like this. If we got warning like the Italians did and we didn't act upon it, I'd blame us for whatever happened. Apparently you don't follow my criticism of the USMNT and my own government. If you did, you'd agree with me here.

 

[king Ale]

Depending on the circumstances, I would blame our authorities for a situation like this. If we got warning like the Italians did and we didn't act upon it, I'd blame us for whatever happened. Apparently you don't follow my criticism of the USMNT and my own government. If you did, you'd agree with me here.

Thank God you got to know about the warnings a couple of hours ago But you have been blaming Italy for it since last night as far as I remember

 

[Zé Tahir]

From Wikipedia:

Tomislav "Tole" Karadžić (born February 10, 1939 in Petnjica village near Šavnik, Zeta Banovina, Kingdom of Yugoslavia) is a Serbian businessman and football prick of Montenegrin origin. Since 2008 he is in his second stint as the president of Serbian Football Association (FSS). Previously he performed blow jobs from 2005 until 2006 when the organization was called Serbian-Montenegrin Football Association (FSSCG).

 

[Bjerknes]

Thank God you got to know about the warnings a couple of hours ago But you have been blaming Italy for it since last night as far as I remember

Ehhh, I'd still blame the Italians. They just can't seem to control these problems.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I don't even wanna know what a Serbia v USA game in Belgrade would be like

 

[Bjerknes]

It would be crazy, and rightfully so.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Let's be honest- give the points to Italy and ban their fans from all games until the competition is over, play all home game in a nutral country- not many would shed a tear.

Best possible solution.
This would give the Serbs almost 2 years to sort things out before the next qualifiers start.

No it would not. As I said, the problem wouldn't be solved because these folks would be egged on to pop off more. As England and Germany have proven, it is a stadium issue.

That's rich. Coming from someone who has never been to an intense European game.

It's not only a stadium issue. Certain sets of fans (for example Balkan, Italians, ...) will find ways to cause trouble.

In Belgium we used to have quite a lot of trouble as well. Somehow we managed to "educate" most fans though, so crowd trouble has become an exception.
Yet when we host certain games (International or European ones), troubles still arise. It's not too long ago a Belgian NT game had to be stopped & delayed because of the (in this case opposing Balkan) crowds.

In short, the major problem is the fans. Not the stadia.

Italy has a problem with crowd trouble, as seen in Serie A. .

Undeniably true. And the FIGC is making all the wrong moves to improve the situation.




On an unrelated note: We still suck. Can't say we aren't consistent though.

 

[Nicholas]

Why was Hazard left on the bench last night?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Why was Hazard left on the bench last night?

Attitude problems. Again.
Coach is trying to make a point, I guess. Rightfully so. He was in the stands for our previous game, didn't even make the bench.

Not that it matters much...

 

[Luca]

I think sometimes you can put all measures into place and still there'll be some kind of trouble. I went to watch Roma- Juve in late 2005. Although we were surrounded by police armed with battons whilst the fans had nothing, they still managed to rip up seats as weapons.
Obviously there's more they could have done last night, but there's always going to be something sneaked in, I mean I could easily take flares and wire cutters to the forest game on Tuesday.
The problem here was communication between the Serb and Italian police forces and then a bad decision into letting the game even start.

 

[Nicholas]

Attitude problems. Again.
Coach is trying to make a point, I guess. Rightfully so. He was in the stands for our previous game, didn't even make the bench.

Not that it matters much...

Really?

So would it be best to not sign him?

 

[blondu]

Indeed, coming back from 3-2 behind to 4-3 in front and then giving it away in the 93th match, incredible.

anderlecht ?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I think sometimes you can put all measures into place and still there'll be some kind of trouble. I went to watch Roma- Juve in late 2005. Although we were surrounded by police armed with battons whilst the fans had nothing, they still managed to rip up seats as weapons.
Obviously there's more they could have done last night, but there's always going to be something sneaked in, I mean I could easily take flares and wire cutters to the forest game on Tuesday.
The problem here was communication between the Serb and Italian police forces and then a bad decision into letting the game even start.

Exactly. And everyone who frequents football games knows it.

It's all about educating your own fans.

Really?

So would it be best to not sign him?

Difficult to say. He may be worth it, but people should not think of him as a player destined to become great. Because that is far from certain. He has been criticized quite often in the past as well due to his attitude.
He's not the smartest player either, but that doesn't bother me all that much right now, considering his age & (lack of) experience.

 

[blondu]

ivan (the person from my avatar) was caught in the motor compartiment of a bus...17 persons were arested and 16 were injured

 

[Klin]