Lets see what decision UEFA will make. Whether they'll also put the blame on Italian crybabies and the stadium security or not would be interesting for Andy.
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Lets see what decision UEFA will make. Whether they'll also put the blame on Italian crybabies and the stadium security or not would be interesting for Andy.
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Nice. So they spotted the danger and they warned Italian forces of it which basically means that even though they (Serbian police) couldn't prevent those Serbian fans (who had been already spotted dangerous) from leaving Serbia, they expected Italian police to sort their problems out 
But this just demonstrates a typical misunderstanding with regards to my actual viewpoints. You don't really seem to know jack squat about me. Ask anybody, including Fred or Rebel, about my views on our government. It's quite obvious I'm against all these stupid wars we're involved in, surely opposing this imbecilic police state we're developing, so you are simply wrong here.
Not allowing people to leave their own country is a rather important issue. If a government can say you can't leave because you might cause trouble in another country, this opens up a huge can of worms. This goes hand-in-hand with the whole "terrorist watch list" issue in the US. If you start allowing the government to stop you from traveling with the suspicion you are a terrorist, then they can basically stop you from traveling outright if this precedent is set. You don't want.
I'm not sure about Serbian laws, but if your officials are counting on another government to protect them, then you've got to be insane. Are you insane, Salvo?
You can't count on others to police your own venues. If so, you're trying to pull the whole "it's Korea, it's Uefa, it's Sweden, it's every but ourselves" sort of rhetoric which makes me think lesser of you lot.
Not allowing people to leave their own country is a rather important issue. If a government can say you can't leave because you might cause trouble in another country, this opens up a huge can of worms. This goes hand-in-hand with the whole "terrorist watch list" issue in the US. If you start allowing the government to stop you from traveling with the suspicion you are a terrorist, then they can basically stop you from traveling outright if this precedent is set. You don't want.
I'm not sure about Serbian laws, but if your officials are counting on another government to protect them, then you've got to be insane. Are you insane, Salvo?
You can't count on others to police your own venues. If so, you're trying to pull the whole "it's Korea, it's Uefa, it's Sweden, it's every but ourselves" sort of rhetoric which makes me think lesser of you lot.
I'm shocked you'd say that. 
Are you? I wonder how much you'd be shocked if UEFA also don't find Italy guilty of this. If UEFA don't impose any punishment for Italy because of what happened last night, I think it's safe to believe that you come up with the nonsense only because that's the Azzurri involved in the matter
It doesn't matter what UEFA does. Italy has a problem with crowd trouble, as seen in Serie A. Not admitting that just makes you look like a fan girl, which you are, but I still like you despite this fact.
I'm an Azzurri fan, not their police forces'. I just honestly don't understand in what way Italy are to blame because of the things happened last night.
You criticizing your government doesn't help your cause I'm afraid, that's what I mean. You have talked nonsense with regards to political issues too. To say that America was behind what happened in 9/11 doesn't suddenly make you so objective that we could take you seriously when it comes to the US soccer
You criticizing your government doesn't help your cause I'm afraid, that's what I mean. You have talked nonsense with regards to political issues too. To say that America was behind what happened in 9/11 doesn't suddenly make you so objective that we could take you seriously when it comes to the US soccer
Don't expand the problem. I'm only talking about what happened last night and there I believe that it wasn't Italy's fault.
I never claimed the Korea match was fixed. As a football fan though, what I saw in that game (as well as the game against Spain) was beyond just some typical refereeing mistakes. This is what I saw and this is what I'm sure you noticed too. Vieri could have scored his chances, Spain could have won the game in penalties, and Iniesta could have never scored that late goal against Chelsea so those games were not fixed (it's crap to say that the winners of those games were already selected beforehand) but I believe there WAS a will to help Korea in the World Cup as much as possible as it was the case with Barca against Chelsea.
I never claimed the Korea match was fixed. As a football fan though, what I saw in that game (as well as the game against Spain) was beyond just some typical refereeing mistakes. This is what I saw and this is what I'm sure you noticed too. Vieri could have scored his chances, Spain could have won the game in penalties, and Iniesta could have never scored that late goal against Chelsea so those games were not fixed (it's crap to say that the winners of those games were already selected beforehand) but I believe there WAS a will to help Korea in the World Cup as much as possible as it was the case with Barca against Chelsea.
You criticizing your government doesn't help your cause I'm afraid, that's what I mean. You have talked nonsense with regards to political issues too. To say that America was behind what happened in 9/11 doesn't suddenly make you so objective that we could take you seriously when it comes to the US soccer
Perhaps I was wrong about you. Maybe you are also a conspiracy theorist who doesn't trust her government. Perhaps Ahmadinijhad is right and you should simply shut the hell up, obey him, and stop being a little annoyance. I'm pretty sure your country is doing just fine and you're simply against the regime because it doesn't suit your political needs. Mahmoud is a good guy and he'd never do anything to harm you, Hoori. Stop being stupid, trust your folks in government.
You know what I meant with America and we also know very well that you believed/believe(?) your government was behind 9/11 (I mean, we two discussed it in the forums, how can I forget it?).
That's what you are doing every time Andy. I have to either support my government to die obeying whatever they say and accepting whatever they do or I have to fight with them with guns. There is no other way, is it?
You can be annoyed with your government, you can criticize them, I even don't know what happens there so what an American thinks of his government is most probably more objective than what I do but to say that you are not biased towards your national football team only because you criticize your government doesn't make sense.
That's what you are doing every time Andy. I have to either support my government to die obeying whatever they say and accepting whatever they do or I have to fight with them with guns. There is no other way, is it?
You can be annoyed with your government, you can criticize them, I even don't know what happens there so what an American thinks of his government is most probably more objective than what I do but to say that you are not biased towards your national football team only because you criticize your government doesn't make sense.