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[Tifoso]

I don't see the relevance at all.

Exactly.

It is not until you can accept the fact that there is a greater good than yourself, that religion begins to "take effect"

 

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[JCK]

I'm a bad Catholic.

 

[Seven]

ok so before i go on i must say *these are not my personal beliefs but i want to make a point
you guys seem to be labelling all cathoilcs with the same brush,pity it seems that to you catholics are the ,uptight,judgemental,sex-fearing,homophobic assholes that was perhaps the norm 70 years agobut they are in the minority and most catholics are open minded and not ruled by what the vatican says.
*so does that mean that all muslims are terrorists who want to kill any non-believer?of course it does not but i am sure if you were to ask joe public in america and probably parts of europe they would tell you that is what they think of when you talk about islamics. again this is not my beliefs i have made many muslim and protestant friend over the years and we never talk about religion and never judge each others beliefs.

Catholics are christians who consider themselves to be under control of the Pope in Rome. So in theory every catholic is the same when we're talking about beliefs. Like Shadowfax proved, Andy's not a catholic.

 

[Respaul]

what is the difference between a catholic who does not follow their religion and a protestant,muslim,hindu,etc who does not follow their religion?nothing at all.
what is your point??every religion believes that they are correct.
we are all the same to me

I think you missed my post entirely, it was along the lines of your retort

 

[Seven]

Exactly.

It is not until you can accept the fact that there is a greater good than yourself, that religion begins to "take effect"

But isn't accepting the fact there is a greater good the very core of religion? Isn't that what makes you religious?

 

[Respaul]

Are you Catholic?

At this point the answer to that question is not relevant

 

[Bjerknes]

eg, you are happy with sex before marriage, you are happy with sex for pleasurable purposes, you believe in contraception, You have no issue with homosexuality, you accept abortion, you do not partake in lent etc etc...

I struggle to see how you can call yourself a catholic if you do not follow the lifestyle the faith requires...

Again, if you are referring to me with any of that, you have no clue what I actually stand for in Lenten practices or other such issues.

You are having a hard time understanding the concept of sin, Paul. Everybody is subject to sins and by your logic every Catholic in the world would be a hypocrite because nobody is perfect. It's not fair to use this as an argument because while you might do something wrong you still know it's wrong and something you should not have done. That's natural sin and its something you cannot help...that is why Catholics have confession. Simple as that.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Exactly.

It is not until you can accept the fact that there is a greater good than yourself, that religion begins to "take effect"

But, there isn't.

I am the man. The best thing ever descended from the apes. The top of the food chain.


Lou, do you believe everything in the bible, specifically the creation story?

 

[Respaul]

Then how can they be Catholics?

They are'nt... they may well be christians , but not catholics

 

[Bozi]

Then how can they be Catholics?

quite simply the vatican is out of touch with the modern world and you can believe what the bible says without hating gays and refusing to protect yourself with condoms and still consider yourself catholic

 

[Bjerknes]

Catholics are christians who consider themselves to be under control of the Pope in Rome. So in theory every catholic is the same when we're talking about beliefs. Like Shadowfax proved, Andy's not a catholic.

I might have to report this post because I'm offended by it...who in sam's hell are you to judge me?

That's it, I'm finished with this discussion.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

They are'nt... they may well be christians , but not catholics

True, but I want to know if you are speaking from a personal point of view or not, I am not going to think less of you or hate on you or anything.

You are the man.

 

[Bozi]

I think you missed my post entirely, it was along the lines of your retort

ok no probs

 

[JCK]

Im not saying , you per se are a hypocrit, im saying 99% of those wearing this religious tag are hypocrits...


I am interested in what exactly these important parts you follow are... You dont follow the life style your religion requires...

eg, you are happy with sex before marriage, you are happy with sex for pleasurable purposes, you believe in contraception, You have no issue with homosexuality, you accept abortion, you dont attend church every week, you do not partake in lent etc etc...

I struggle to see how you can call yourself a catholic if you do not follow the lifestyle the faith requires...

To say you hold firm the basic humanitarian expectations of a religion, to me without adhering to the lifestyle, doesnt make you a cathoplic... it makes you a normal , decent human being...

Where does a believer stand in all what you said?

 

[Seven]

I might have to report this post because I'm offended by it...who in sam's hell are you to judge me?

That's it, I'm finished with this discussion.

You're NOT a catholic, Andy, simply because a catholic is someone who obeys the pope. I can't help it, but that's the definiton. You may be a christian, but you're NOT a catholic. Oh and reacting as if saying you're not a catholic is a judgement is judging on itself.

Dear god, I'm actually completely left stranded. You didn't know what Catholic meant?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I might have to report this post because I'm offended by it...who in sam's hell are you to judge me?

That's it, I'm finished with this discussion.

Settle down, it's not that big of a deal, it's SEVEN.

I think seven is just trying to say that strictly, you are not.

It's just offered as a fact, not meant as a personal attack.

 

[Rami]

ok so before i go on i must say *these are not my personal beliefs but i want to make a point
you guys seem to be labelling all cathoilcs with the same brush,pity it seems that to you catholics are the ,uptight,judgemental,sex-fearing,homophobic assholes that was perhaps the norm 70 years agobut they are in the minority and most catholics are open minded and not ruled by what the vatican says.
*so does that mean that all muslims are terrorists who want to kill any non-believer?of course it does not but i am sure if you were to ask joe public in america and probably parts of europe they would tell you that is what they think of when you talk about islamics. again this is not my beliefs i have made many muslim and protestant friend over the years and we never talk about religion and never judge each others beliefs.

Great!! I was wondering when will Islam will be dragged in all of this

 

[Seven]

Settle down, it's not that big of a deal, it's SEVEN.

I think seven is just trying to say that strictly, you are not.

It's just offered as a fact, not meant as a personal attack.

Exactly. It's really funny though how he thinks that I judged him by saying he's not a catholic. That's an insult to every non-catholic out there, smart kid.

 

[Tifoso]

But isn't accepting the fact there is a greater good the very core of religion? Isn't that what makes you religious?

Of course.

I'm struggling for a metaphor here.....


OK, sex.

Before you ever had sex, you went through several phases:

1. Oooooooh girls, yuck

2. You want me to put it where?

3. OK, I'll give it a try (I would argue, after marriage--but that's another discussion)...

and it is awesome. Incredible, in fact, Those "in the know" all smile at you knowingly...

Those who aren't in the know---who are agnostic, or even atheistic about sex, if you will...can't understand what all the hullabaloo is about....

surely those "In the Know-stians" are just making it up. It can't be that good. I bet it doesn't even exist.


Oddly, the "In the Know-stians" are the ones walking around with smiles on their faces, though.

 

[Respaul]

Again, if you are referring to me with any of that, you have no clue what I actually stand for in Lenten practices or other such issues.

All those things i noted are things you have expressed on this forum...

As such if you do not follow the wishes of the pope as you have admitted... you are not a catholic... You may well be a christian, but youy are not a catholic... It is one thing to sin on occasion but to disregard the fundamental way of life the catholic faith asks of you... Means you are not one

You are having a hard time understanding the concept of sin, Paul. .

Where have i ever expressed my thoughts on the concept of sin, I have never explained sin or discussed it... You have no idea of my thoughts on the subject, let alone my understanding of it