Il disastro di Torino (13 Viewers)
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i think thats wrong, in fact if u bother yr self and go read the forum rules u will discover swearing at juve players is forbidden. even with out the forum rules i dont know how u can insult some one like ciro after all the years he has given to this club and let me tell u he has played his heart for this team in case u dont know or were'nt a fan back when he was still a player for juve.
look tonight is lowest point since since demotion to serie b. Since promotion back we had a credable first season to restore pride and qualify for the CL . Our second season saw early promise but little reinforcement of the squad in serie A we stayed in contention but ultimatley failed away 3/4 through the season. In the CL juve played two good matches against real madrid who at the time were a big name club but were a mess this double result covered over a lot of crack especially in europe where juve were poor against zenit and Bate. But ultimatley qualified for the knockout stages.
Against chelsea who were in complete disarray under scolari only to appoint hiddink shortly before they faced juve. In this short time he re organised them but they were still struggling at were there for the taking. Juve played well but lacked the quality to take the chances created and lost a close contest that should have resulted in victory once iaquinta levelled the tie on aggregate in turin.
Chelsea qualified regrouped improved and flourished under hiddink and pushed barca all the way before been robbed in the second leg of the semi final.
Once again a decent juve performace against chelsea that ultimatley ended in defeat and chelsea subsequent progress covered over juventus flaws were after the cl exit the serie a campaign was over by march.
This season saw a new manager and new faces with a lot of cash spent, after a bright start things have gone sour.
But as i right this tonight on one of the darkest nights for juve it could be a blessing in disguise because although i did not want to admit or believe it this juventus team is not good enough to be in the knockout stages and as much as it pains me to admit the sad fact is serie A like all its harshest critics say is at best on par with the french and german leagues and behind the premier league and la liga.
But the quality of the opposition in serie a should not stop a team of juves tradition and history from building a better squad able to mix it with the big boys in the cl. Just like the successfull bayern team of the late 90's conquered europe from an average bundesliga.
Many mistake have been made and repeated in the tranfer of players to the club. As i said in the summer why spend so much money on diego when juve have giovinco who is the exact same player. buying him stops giovinco's development and relegates him to the bench. and the money spend on him could have been used to buy players for areas where we are desparatley weak like the full backs to be obvious. Thats not to say that diego will settle in a do good things in turin and i like everyone here was so impressed with his early performance especially against roma. and i still think diego is prob better than gio but not that much better to spend so much of the transfer budget and neglect improving the achillies heel of the team.
Finally while it really pains me to admit it like last season we witnessed the sub standard displays from pavel nedved with the odd flash of brilliance his legs were gone and he knew it was time to call it a day.
And like it or not the cold hard facts are that camo trez dp and cannavaro are in decline. trez still scores his good percentage of chances but the trez of old would have buried caceras cut back tonight to equalise and make it 2-2.
it really is time for immobile and giovinco etc to be given a chance or else yonger players brought in. DP and trez may still have something to offer but is their continued presence here hindering more than helping the squad and the younger players. yes they were all great players but their legs are gone.
You could maybe get more out of DP or trez if you had other yonnger quicker players around them but when they are in a team of lumbering heavy footed players their remaining skills are more easily snuffed out and easily marshalled bar the odd sparks of brilliance.
This is a sad night but if the club is to return to its glory days more sensible tranfers are going to have to be mad it will be costly but i hope as rumoured a policy to only buy players under the age of 25 is implemented and only ignored if a player in his prime 27-29 can be signed not a player in decline 30+.
It time for the old guard to change.
i feel low but honestly juve were not good enough to qualify from the group iam sick that we were 4 points clear of bayern with 2 games to go and finish two points behind them. But realistically them played us off the park in germany as well as in turin, bordeaux gave us a lesson in france and and deserved their point in the first game in turin so 6 of our 8 points came against the might maccabi haifa by way of "commanding" 1-0 victories.
it would be a lot worse to be eliminated at this stage with a squad that was actually cabable of winning or progressing far in this seasons competition.
But the harsh reality is that since the season started our players, management and club directors have preached about juve been back to the top and will challenge for scudetto and cl glory. Shut up in the press do your talking on the field at least wait until april before thinking of winning silverware.
Ah april for the past 3 season we have been out of the running to win any competition by then.
These are the cold hard facts at least tonights performace leaves the directors management fans and players in no doubt to even think juve were 60% back to where we were between the late 1990 and early 2000's was dilusional and i was as guilty as this as anyone else but my eyes have finally been opened. and while i often disagree with the tone and way he puts his message accross i would just like to say.
Andy was right and he told us all what he foresaw 2 seasons ago.
The old gurad can get themselves up for one of games and on our day juventus can match inter who like it or not are the best team in serie a as the constantly beat the medium and small clubs something juventus was renowned for but now cannot be taken as given. maybe been out of cl will allow juve to focus on serie a and stay the distance and win the scudetto which would be brilliant and a great season, but i honestly feel the best we can hope for is to keep the gap minimal and bring the title to the last game or 2 before losing out but unless juve add to the squad in january i can once again come april see juventus playing game with nothing other than securing CL qualification for next season at stake.
I love this club and hope i am wrong and hope this is the start of a new dawn as imo things cannot get much worse for a club of juves stature the only way is up
The rebuilding of juventus is not nearly complete, we still have to get rid of a few old ruins before the real rebuilding can even start. maybe keep one or so antiques to mold the new but no more its time for a change of direction.
Against chelsea who were in complete disarray under scolari only to appoint hiddink shortly before they faced juve. In this short time he re organised them but they were still struggling at were there for the taking. Juve played well but lacked the quality to take the chances created and lost a close contest that should have resulted in victory once iaquinta levelled the tie on aggregate in turin.
Chelsea qualified regrouped improved and flourished under hiddink and pushed barca all the way before been robbed in the second leg of the semi final.
Once again a decent juve performace against chelsea that ultimatley ended in defeat and chelsea subsequent progress covered over juventus flaws were after the cl exit the serie a campaign was over by march.
This season saw a new manager and new faces with a lot of cash spent, after a bright start things have gone sour.
But as i right this tonight on one of the darkest nights for juve it could be a blessing in disguise because although i did not want to admit or believe it this juventus team is not good enough to be in the knockout stages and as much as it pains me to admit the sad fact is serie A like all its harshest critics say is at best on par with the french and german leagues and behind the premier league and la liga.
But the quality of the opposition in serie a should not stop a team of juves tradition and history from building a better squad able to mix it with the big boys in the cl. Just like the successfull bayern team of the late 90's conquered europe from an average bundesliga.
Many mistake have been made and repeated in the tranfer of players to the club. As i said in the summer why spend so much money on diego when juve have giovinco who is the exact same player. buying him stops giovinco's development and relegates him to the bench. and the money spend on him could have been used to buy players for areas where we are desparatley weak like the full backs to be obvious. Thats not to say that diego will settle in a do good things in turin and i like everyone here was so impressed with his early performance especially against roma. and i still think diego is prob better than gio but not that much better to spend so much of the transfer budget and neglect improving the achillies heel of the team.
Finally while it really pains me to admit it like last season we witnessed the sub standard displays from pavel nedved with the odd flash of brilliance his legs were gone and he knew it was time to call it a day.
And like it or not the cold hard facts are that camo trez dp and cannavaro are in decline. trez still scores his good percentage of chances but the trez of old would have buried caceras cut back tonight to equalise and make it 2-2.
it really is time for immobile and giovinco etc to be given a chance or else yonger players brought in. DP and trez may still have something to offer but is their continued presence here hindering more than helping the squad and the younger players. yes they were all great players but their legs are gone.
You could maybe get more out of DP or trez if you had other yonnger quicker players around them but when they are in a team of lumbering heavy footed players their remaining skills are more easily snuffed out and easily marshalled bar the odd sparks of brilliance.
This is a sad night but if the club is to return to its glory days more sensible tranfers are going to have to be mad it will be costly but i hope as rumoured a policy to only buy players under the age of 25 is implemented and only ignored if a player in his prime 27-29 can be signed not a player in decline 30+.
It time for the old guard to change.
i feel low but honestly juve were not good enough to qualify from the group iam sick that we were 4 points clear of bayern with 2 games to go and finish two points behind them. But realistically them played us off the park in germany as well as in turin, bordeaux gave us a lesson in france and and deserved their point in the first game in turin so 6 of our 8 points came against the might maccabi haifa by way of "commanding" 1-0 victories.
it would be a lot worse to be eliminated at this stage with a squad that was actually cabable of winning or progressing far in this seasons competition.
But the harsh reality is that since the season started our players, management and club directors have preached about juve been back to the top and will challenge for scudetto and cl glory. Shut up in the press do your talking on the field at least wait until april before thinking of winning silverware.
Ah april for the past 3 season we have been out of the running to win any competition by then.
These are the cold hard facts at least tonights performace leaves the directors management fans and players in no doubt to even think juve were 60% back to where we were between the late 1990 and early 2000's was dilusional and i was as guilty as this as anyone else but my eyes have finally been opened. and while i often disagree with the tone and way he puts his message accross i would just like to say.
Andy was right and he told us all what he foresaw 2 seasons ago.
The old gurad can get themselves up for one of games and on our day juventus can match inter who like it or not are the best team in serie a as the constantly beat the medium and small clubs something juventus was renowned for but now cannot be taken as given. maybe been out of cl will allow juve to focus on serie a and stay the distance and win the scudetto which would be brilliant and a great season, but i honestly feel the best we can hope for is to keep the gap minimal and bring the title to the last game or 2 before losing out but unless juve add to the squad in january i can once again come april see juventus playing game with nothing other than securing CL qualification for next season at stake.
I love this club and hope i am wrong and hope this is the start of a new dawn as imo things cannot get much worse for a club of juves stature the only way is up
The rebuilding of juventus is not nearly complete, we still have to get rid of a few old ruins before the real rebuilding can even start. maybe keep one or so antiques to mold the new but no more its time for a change of direction.
Listened to this on the net. Bayern deserved this 100%. Congrats Bürke.
It really is a disaster. We're out of the CL, less $$$, Europa League on Thursdays, injuries to Chiello and Momo could give Blanc an excuse not to fire the "coach".
A major shakeup in the administration of this club should be done. Should have been done a long time ago.
It really is a disaster. We're out of the CL, less $$$, Europa League on Thursdays, injuries to Chiello and Momo could give Blanc an excuse not to fire the "coach".
A major shakeup in the administration of this club should be done. Should have been done a long time ago.
You are smarter than I thought.
I even understand your desire to come here and get back at us for those attacks from the last week. But if you thought about it better you wouldn't have done it.
All you achieved was to be called various insulting names. And you just stood here, reading how every single member is insulting you.
Actually, you knew what you'll get if you do what you did, and yet you did it.
This I don't understand. You seat on your chair, you read how people call you an idiot, a whore, a pussy and all you could do was to find a pitiful defense to make people stop calling you that.
And they didn't.
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