Il disastro di Torino (14 Viewers)

[Stephan]

i think thats wrong, in fact if u bother yr self and go read the forum rules u will discover swearing at juve players is forbidden. even with out the forum rules i dont know how u can insult some one like ciro after all the years he has given to this club and let me tell u he has played his heart for this team in case u dont know or were'nt a fan back when he was still a player for juve.

Half the forum here swears at certain players certain times. And frankly i dont see a problem here, legend or not. His a coach now.

 

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[jbsal]

Watching football makes you drunk?
Seriously, WOW.

yeah that and a case of CArib beer -- - - - Juventus (Ferrara) jus frustrated the crap out of me today- - - i can't take anymore - --

 

[Stephan]

A major shakeup in the administration of this club should be done. Should have been done a long time ago.

But wasnt it in 2006?

 

[Eire]

that's was not comparisons its true

ask MR ferrara

Trapatoni is coming back to juve 100 % if lippi declined

no way he is leading ireland to euro 2012 aslong as we advoid henry's hand this time

 

[Mark]

Didn't express myself correctly. Let's settle for 2007/08.

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm not the one who lacks decorum. In fact, I think I've been more than restrained considering the unwarranted attacks on me. You guys can't see the funny side in this? It made me laugh, not because I enjoy gloating or lording it over you. I laughed because it was a laughable performance by a laughable side with a laughable manager. I would laugh if it were Juve, Barca, the Netherlands NT, or any team.

I hope you die in a plane crash.

I wouldn't wish that on your family, though, because you don't have one.

You're nothing but a bastard child.

 

[Eire]

look tonight is lowest point since since demotion to serie b. Since promotion back we had a credable first season to restore pride and qualify for the CL . Our second season saw early promise but little reinforcement of the squad in serie A we stayed in contention but ultimatley failed away 3/4 through the season. In the CL juve played two good matches against real madrid who at the time were a big name club but were a mess this double result covered over a lot of crack especially in europe where juve were poor against zenit and Bate. But ultimatley qualified for the knockout stages.

Against chelsea who were in complete disarray under scolari only to appoint hiddink shortly before they faced juve. In this short time he re organised them but they were still struggling at were there for the taking. Juve played well but lacked the quality to take the chances created and lost a close contest that should have resulted in victory once iaquinta levelled the tie on aggregate in turin.

Chelsea qualified regrouped improved and flourished under hiddink and pushed barca all the way before been robbed in the second leg of the semi final.

Once again a decent juve performace against chelsea that ultimatley ended in defeat and chelsea subsequent progress covered over juventus flaws were after the cl exit the serie a campaign was over by march.

This season saw a new manager and new faces with a lot of cash spent, after a bright start things have gone sour.

But as i right this tonight on one of the darkest nights for juve it could be a blessing in disguise because although i did not want to admit or believe it this juventus team is not good enough to be in the knockout stages and as much as it pains me to admit the sad fact is serie A like all its harshest critics say is at best on par with the french and german leagues and behind the premier league and la liga.

But the quality of the opposition in serie a should not stop a team of juves tradition and history from building a better squad able to mix it with the big boys in the cl. Just like the successfull bayern team of the late 90's conquered europe from an average bundesliga.

Many mistake have been made and repeated in the tranfer of players to the club. As i said in the summer why spend so much money on diego when juve have giovinco who is the exact same player. buying him stops giovinco's development and relegates him to the bench. and the money spend on him could have been used to buy players for areas where we are desparatley weak like the full backs to be obvious. Thats not to say that diego will settle in a do good things in turin and i like everyone here was so impressed with his early performance especially against roma. and i still think diego is prob better than gio but not that much better to spend so much of the transfer budget and neglect improving the achillies heel of the team.

Finally while it really pains me to admit it like last season we witnessed the sub standard displays from pavel nedved with the odd flash of brilliance his legs were gone and he knew it was time to call it a day.

And like it or not the cold hard facts are that camo trez dp and cannavaro are in decline. trez still scores his good percentage of chances but the trez of old would have buried caceras cut back tonight to equalise and make it 2-2.

it really is time for immobile and giovinco etc to be given a chance or else yonger players brought in. DP and trez may still have something to offer but is their continued presence here hindering more than helping the squad and the younger players. yes they were all great players but their legs are gone.

You could maybe get more out of DP or trez if you had other yonnger quicker players around them but when they are in a team of lumbering heavy footed players their remaining skills are more easily snuffed out and easily marshalled bar the odd sparks of brilliance.

This is a sad night but if the club is to return to its glory days more sensible tranfers are going to have to be mad it will be costly but i hope as rumoured a policy to only buy players under the age of 25 is implemented and only ignored if a player in his prime 27-29 can be signed not a player in decline 30+.

It time for the old guard to change.

i feel low but honestly juve were not good enough to qualify from the group iam sick that we were 4 points clear of bayern with 2 games to go and finish two points behind them. But realistically them played us off the park in germany as well as in turin, bordeaux gave us a lesson in france and and deserved their point in the first game in turin so 6 of our 8 points came against the might maccabi haifa by way of "commanding" 1-0 victories.

it would be a lot worse to be eliminated at this stage with a squad that was actually cabable of winning or progressing far in this seasons competition.

But the harsh reality is that since the season started our players, management and club directors have preached about juve been back to the top and will challenge for scudetto and cl glory. Shut up in the press do your talking on the field at least wait until april before thinking of winning silverware.

Ah april for the past 3 season we have been out of the running to win any competition by then.

These are the cold hard facts at least tonights performace leaves the directors management fans and players in no doubt to even think juve were 60% back to where we were between the late 1990 and early 2000's was dilusional and i was as guilty as this as anyone else but my eyes have finally been opened. and while i often disagree with the tone and way he puts his message accross i would just like to say.

Andy was right and he told us all what he foresaw 2 seasons ago.

The old gurad can get themselves up for one of games and on our day juventus can match inter who like it or not are the best team in serie a as the constantly beat the medium and small clubs something juventus was renowned for but now cannot be taken as given. maybe been out of cl will allow juve to focus on serie a and stay the distance and win the scudetto which would be brilliant and a great season, but i honestly feel the best we can hope for is to keep the gap minimal and bring the title to the last game or 2 before losing out but unless juve add to the squad in january i can once again come april see juventus playing game with nothing other than securing CL qualification for next season at stake.

I love this club and hope i am wrong and hope this is the start of a new dawn as imo things cannot get much worse for a club of juves stature the only way is up

The rebuilding of juventus is not nearly complete, we still have to get rid of a few old ruins before the real rebuilding can even start. maybe keep one or so antiques to mold the new but no more its time for a change of direction.

it took me far to long to write this i was hoping for at least 1 response on it even if it was negative, or at least andy to pick up on the part in bold.

 

[jbsal]

I hope you die in a plane crash.

I wouldn't wish that on your family, though, because you don't have one.

You're nothing but a bastard child.

- i have to take this crap (like post from Ian) from all my partners tomorrow - - -

lets pray tonight that coach is sacked -- - - -

 

[Stephan]

Ill give you a -rep if you want.

 

[DelPieroTen]

Against chelsea who were in complete disarray under scolari only to appoint hiddink shortly before they faced juve. In this short time he re organised them but they were still struggling at were there for the taking. Juve played well but lacked the quality to take the chances created and lost a close contest that should have resulted in victory once iaquinta levelled the tie on aggregate in turin.

Chelsea qualified regrouped improved and flourished under hiddink and pushed barca all the way before been robbed in the second leg of the semi final.

Let's not forget Juve played Chelsea in their Hiddink honeymoon period. Probably the worst time to play them. If Scolari had stayed on Juve prob would've went through. As it was Chelsea were very lucky. Very poor ref that night that went against Juve.


I'd personally like to see a huge shake up at Juventus. Like some have said the hierarchy needs to change. People with a track record and ambition and a will to make Juve a real force again need to be installed.

I am thankful that Juve have bounced back so quickly after 2006 you'd have to describe it as a great success story how many other teams would bounce back so quickly and have so much expected of them. But we are Juventus and we need to aim highly.

I agree to a certain extent that i wish Ciro to not be abused but he is clearly too fresh for this job. He may become a good coach eventually but i'd like to see someone of experience take the job. Guus Hiddink would be the ideal candidate. An intelligent man who wouldn't feel the need to play players on reputation. He would know exactly what was needed and could work with the players we've got.

It's clear we need a pacey ball playing centre half to compliment Chiellini in defence. I don't mind Canna and Legg being at the club but they should be used as back up along with Ariaudo if he's going to be up for it. Caceres would be a good squad player but we need a promising right back or someone who can come in and do a job and has a future in the game still, Sagna, Bosingwa etc. At left back Grosso is a short term option i would have preffered to see a younger player in his mid 20s ready to step up to a big club.

I think a new striker is needed also. If Trezeguet goes i'd want a big name striker signed with Amauri, Del Piero and Iaquinta vying to partner him. Amauri is a shadow of the player he was at start of his juve career and needs a kick up the backside.

We really need Momo back playing and although Melo and Diego ain't been great i would hope that given time they could become great players. Maybe Diego should play out wide a bit more and float like Zidane used to and have Camo and Gio on the other wing. There is some squad players like Tiago, Poulsen, Zebina etc that should be sold on to make some extra cash.

And can we please stop talking about this glory hunting ian idiot.... don't give him the attention he craves. He's loving it

Sacking Ferrara on the back of this would be justified but i dunno if it will happen. Realistically he ain't going to win the league and we could struggle to make 2nd. If he's kept on and this happens he would be sacked anyway so maybe best to act now but it's clear Juve can't chop and change managers. Get in a big name like Hiddink and give him time and some money

:flag1:

 

[Naggar]

We need an ambitious board, not a board that keeps saying "let's move on" after each loss, we the supporters are the only ones who get hurt and humilated on regular basis

 

[Luca]

It's late, try posting it tomorrow when th dust has settled a little.

 

[Eire]

Ill give you a -rep if you want.

at least its something

 

[Eire]

It's late, try posting it tomorrow when th dust has settled a little.

ok will do good point everyone has there own ways with dealing with such a crushing defeat mine is to debate

 

[Bjerknes]

it took me far to long to write this i was hoping for at least 1 response on it even if it was negative, or at least andy to pick up on the part in bold.

Sorry I missed it, I was too busy dealing with Ian.

And don't kiss my ass too much. Other folks saw similar things as well.

 

[jbsal]

Let's not forget Juve played Chelsea in their Hiddink honeymoon period. Probably the worst time to play them. If Scolari had stayed on Juve prob would've went through. As it was Chelsea were very lucky. Very poor ref that night that went against Juve.


I'd personally like to see a huge shake up at Juventus. Like some have said the hierarchy needs to change. People with a track record and ambition and a will to make Juve a real force again need to be installed.

I am thankful that Juve have bounced back so quickly after 2006 you'd have to describe it as a great success story how many other teams would bounce back so quickly and have so much expected of them. But we are Juventus and we need to aim highly.

I agree to a certain extent that i wish Ciro to not be abused but he is clearly too fresh for this job. He may become a good coach eventually but i'd like to see someone of experience take the job. Guus Hiddink would be the ideal candidate. An intelligent man who wouldn't feel the need to play players on reputation. He would know exactly what was needed and could work with the players we've got.

It's clear we need a pacey ball playing centre half to compliment Chiellini in defence. I don't mind Canna and Legg being at the club but they should be used as back up along with Ariaudo if he's going to be up for it. Caceres would be a good squad player but we need a promising right back or someone who can come in and do a job and has a future in the game still, Sagna, Bosingwa etc. At left back Grosso is a short term option i would have preffered to see a younger player in his mid 20s ready to step up to a big club.

I think a new striker is needed also. If Trezeguet goes i'd want a big name striker signed with Amauri, Del Piero and Iaquinta vying to partner him. Amauri is a shadow of the player he was at start of his juve career and needs a kick up the backside.

We really need Momo back playing and although Melo and Diego ain't been great i would hope that given time they could become great players. Maybe Diego should play out wide a bit more and float like Zidane used to and have Camo and Gio on the other wing. There is some squad players like Tiago, Poulsen, Zebina etc that should be sold on to make some extra cash.

And can we please stop talking about this glory hunting ian idiot.... don't give him the attention he craves. He's loving it

Sacking Ferrara on the back of this would be justified but i dunno if it will happen. Realistically he ain't going to win the league and we could struggle to make 2nd. If he's kept on and this happens he would be sacked anyway so maybe best to act now but it's clear Juve can't chop and change managers. Get in a big name like Hiddink and give him time and some money

:flag1:

excellent post -- - exactly what i think

 

[swag]

Look, we were supposed to win this group. We wound up third. You have to stick your head up your ass to not see that a massive shake-up is needed.

 

[swag]

I'm not the one who lacks decorum. In fact, I think I've been more than restrained considering the unwarranted attacks on me. You guys can't see the funny side in this? It made me laugh, not because I enjoy gloating or lording it over you. I laughed because it was a laughable performance by a laughable side with a laughable manager. I would laugh if it were Juve, Barca, the Netherlands NT, or any team.

I honestly thought you were smarter than this, Ian. I was wrong.

 

[DelPieroTen]

Thanks....


That's down as my first post. I was sure i had a membership on here from before that i hadn't used in a while but my email address wasn't recognised. I haven't posted on here in ages anyway but after tonight i wanted to see what other fans were saying.

I'm really hurt. Seems even worse after beating Inter in a way. Juventus have always kind of let us down in europe recently. Ever since that Man Utd comeback in 99 it seemed to completely knock the stuffing out of the mighty Juve machine that steam rolled it's way through europe in the mid to late 90s, minus the final defeats.

Supporting Juve comes with it's fair share of heartache...mainly in europe.

I really thought they'd do it tonight as well and i don't know why. As soon as it went 2-1 though i knew it was another bad european night. I'm just sick of it. Surely our fortune has to change sooner or later.

 

[DelPieroTen]

I also really wanted all the italian teams through.... which i thought was quite a likely outcome seen as though Spain will only have 3 teams in next round as will the EPL

I'm sick of the smugness surroudning both leagues. Fair enough Serie A is probably 3rd strongest but the EPL is getting way over concerned with the money and success of the top teams when you have established Premiership teams (Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Leeds Utd etc) disappearing to be replaced by smaller clubs like Hull and Burnley etc

Beyond the top 2 in spain the rest aren't all that. Sevilla are a decent side that benefitted from an easy champs league group this season but beyond that there isn't many great sides. Valencia have a fantastic attacking trio but they have serious financial concerns.

I'm worried about Juve's finances too. The money that has been thrown at the team since it's return to serie a hasn't had the desired effect so far. Need to start finding some gems