Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (157 Viewers)

[Del Piero Style]

In this same situation? In this same situation Moggi would have let Del Piero stay as long as he wants to.
I meant more about Del Piero's status in the club if Calciopoli didn't happen. It looked likely that a relatively young Del Piero wasn't gonna get enough playing time. That way Del Piero himself was gonna look for other options and Moggi would have made it happen. He wasn't gonna do everything to stop the legend Del Piero from leaving. He was simply gonna sell him.

Of course, but that's a whole different topic to what I replied to.

If Calciopoli didn't happen and Moggi was here imo Del Piero would have been gone long ago. AA handled the situation poorly and still has time to fix that mistake with the rushed statement, but that's only down to inexperience. Moggi would have done the same imo but he would have done it in a much better way. In both cases DP would have been gone, the difference being that under Moggi it would have happened earlier. I have in mind mostly the 2005/06 season and how Moggi allowed Capello to handle the players the way he wants to, without paying much or any respect to Del Piero.




It's not about Camo at all. It's just an avatar I have for ages. Come May Hoori will make me a good DP avatar in case he's leaving

Again all those if if if if, cause you know you're wrong and got nothing to say...

Fact is that Andrea is an asshole who treats the biggest legend in history of the club like shit.

Like I said, the difference between Andrea and Gianni is the difference between Gianni's treat to Boniperti and Andrea's treat to Ale.

 

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[Raz]

Again all those if if if if, cause you know you're wrong and got nothing to say...

Fact is that Andrea is an asshole who treats the biggest legend in history of the club like shit.

Like I said, the difference between Andrea and Gianni is the difference between Gianni's treat to Boniperti and Andrea's treat to Ale.

Delusion. This is it.

 

[king Ale]

Hate to do an AndreaCristianio here but: spot on, Alen; agree with what you said

Poor guy doesn't even know what he agrees with most of the time.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

If Calciopoli didn't happen and Moggi was here imo Del Piero would have been gone long ago. AA handled the situation poorly and still has time to fix that mistake with the rushed statement, but that's only down to inexperience. Moggi would have done the same imo but he would have done it in a much better way. In both cases DP would have been gone, the difference being that under Moggi it would have happened earlier. I have in mind mostly the 2005/06 season and how Moggi allowed Capello to handle the players the way he wants to, without paying much or any respect to Del Piero.

Obviously. I thought it was common knowledge that Ale was on the way out just before Calciopoli hit. Hell, I remember Ale saying something along the lines of "If Capello would have stayed, I wouldn't have".

It's all okay to me if he declines a new contract offer. If Juve were willing to offer him new contracts however, talks over his last one wouldn't have been prolonged like that, Agnelli wouldn't have announced his retirement at the end of the season and Alex' himself wouldn't have sounded bitter about the announcement.

Meh, we don't know what happens or is said behind closed doors. I do agree that the Agnelli announcement was odd, wrong even, but you can still interpret it in different ways.
Of course, no one ended up interpreting it as a sign of respect (Agnelli was asking everyone to applaud the greatest Juve player of recent times while they still could), but there are still a lot of nuances people are refusing to acknowledge.

 

[Fake Melo]

How does it differ from the "old Juve" that you supported?

I'd guess that the old Juve you know is that of the mid 90's until Calciopoli. I know that same Juve and I know that Moggi was getting rid of players the moment they weren't useful on the pitch anymore, the moment he could get good money out of them and the moment they did something he didn't like.
Only in rare cases players stayed with the team until retirement (Conte and Ferrara) which basically happened with Nedved too under the "new Juve".
On the other hand Tacchinardi and Davids were kicked out of the club. Di Livio was literally kicked out and sold to Fiorentina against his will. He said "Juve dumped me, didn't I deserve more respect than that? (http://ricerca.gelocal.it/iltirreno/archivio/iltirreno/1999/12/17/LS101.html). Zidane and Inzaghi were sold for big money (you say now it's all about money, as if it wasn't before). Baggio too. Where did the CL winners Vialli, Ravanelli and co. disappear? Why didn't Iuliano get a new contract but he was tagged as useless and left to leave after his contract expired? Why did we send Peruzzi to Inter? I have a dozen more examples to prove that it's not different than it used to be.

Excellent post. Even Conte was forced out IMO.

 

[ZoSo]

Like I said, the difference between Andrea and Gianni is the difference between Gianni's treat to Boniperti and Andrea's treat to Ale.

So you can talk about the 40-60s but I can't talk about 5-10 years ago? Sounds like double standards to me.

 

[king Ale]

Obviously. I thought it was common knowledge that Ale was on the way out just before Calciopoli hit. Hell, I remember Ale saying something along the lines of "If Capello would have stayed, I wouldn't have".

And I don't see how that's even relevant to the topic here.

 

[Del Piero Style]

Delusion. This is it.

Finaly! Thank god. I started to think they'll never find out what your problem is

And I don't see how that's even relevant to the topic here.

It's easier for them to discuss things that didn't happen 6 years ago, than admit that AA is a piece of shit

 

[Alen]

Like I said, the difference between Andrea and Gianni is the difference between Gianni's treat to Boniperti and Andrea's treat to Ale.

So what is the difference between Gianni's treatment of Boniperti and Andrea's treatment of Nedved?

All AA did so far and is 100% confirmed and true is that he said how this is Del Piero's last contract. Everything else is a speculation or an if if if if. Including the "Andrea told Conte not to play Del Piero".

 

[Del Piero Style]

So what is the difference between Gianni's treatment of Boniperti and Andrea's treatment of Nedved?

All AA did so far and is 100% confirmed and true is that he said how this is Del Piero's last contract. Everything else is a speculation or an if if if if. Including the "Andrea told Conte not to play Del Piero".

You should know, you're the king of if.

Anyway, Nedved is not Ale. Ale is the king for the fans, he's the most loved player, the bigget legend, he has power. AA is afraid of that, I guess, cause he isn't a great person like Gianni was.

 

[Del Piero Style]

So what is the difference between Gianni's treatment of Boniperti and Andrea's treatment of Nedved?

All AA did so far and is 100% confirmed and true is that he said how this is Del Piero's last contract. Everything else is a speculation or an if if if if. Including the "Andrea told Conte not to play Del Piero".

You should know, you're the king of if.

Anyway, Nedved is not Ale. Ale is the king for the fans, he's the most loved player, the bigget legend, he has power. AA is afraid of that, I guess, cause he isn't a great person like Gianni was.

 

[Fake Melo]

Why would Andrea Agnelli, the president of Juve be afraid of losing power to Del Piero?

Has DP ever done something that suggests that Andrea Agnelli feared for his position in Juve? What would be his agenda?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

And I don't see how that's even relevant to the topic here.

Weren't we talking about a lack of respect?

What Capello did (benching him when he was better than the ones who played) was disrespectful imo. And it/he would have forced Ale out, were it not for Calciopoli.

As much as I hate to admit it, Alen has a point here

It's easier for them to discuss things that didn't happen 6 years ago, than admit that AA is a piece of shit

With "them", you mean Polish women, don't you?

 

[king Ale]

It's easier for them to discuss things that didn't happen 6 years ago, than admit that AA is a piece of shit

What he says is true but completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.

Anyways, some think Agnelli handled the situation amateurishly, some think he was spot on. Some would stop being Juve fans the moment Ale goes, some would stick to Juve forever. Some think the club is more important than the player, some disagree. Why do we need to convince each other? It's a matter of opinion.

 

[Del Piero Style]

You don't know much about life, don't you?

You think nobody like AA wants loved, powerful, legendary person like Ale any close to power positions in the club?

 

[Alen]

Btw, how much power does AA have in Juve?

Gianni was the owner of the club. He was giving the money and he literally owned the club. Could anyone tell Gianni that he's fired? What is Andrea Agnelli and how big influence does he have? Does he control the money or he has to ask others to give money for wages and transfers?
AA is only the president of the club. He's appointed there and he doesn't give a penny for the club. He has the same function that Vittorio Caissotti di Chiusano had from 1990 until 2003 when we had the biggest success (anyone knows this guy?). He has the same function Cobolli Gigli had from 2006 to 2009 and Blanc had in 2009-2010.

 

[Del Piero Style]

Weren't we talking about a lack of respect?

What Capello did (benching him when he was better than the ones who played) was disrespectful imo. And it/he would have forced Ale out, were it not for Calciopoli.

As much as I hate to admit it, Alen has a point here




With "them", you mean Polish women, don't you?

Yayyyy, you got it!

What he says is true but completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.

Anyways, some think Agnelli handled the situation amateurishly, some think he was spot on. Some would stop being Juve fans the moment Ale goes, some would stick to Juve forever. Some think the club is more important than the player, some disagree. Why do we need to convince each other? It's a matter of opinion.

You're so right. But wrong too, cause like me you're continue doing this time after time

Lets stop, please

 

[Buck Fuddy]

What he says is true but completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.

Anyways, some think Agnelli handled the situation amateurishly, some think he was spot on. Some would stop being Juve fans the moment Ale goes, some would stick to Juve forever. Some think the club is more important than the player, some disagree. Why do we need to convince each other? It's a matter of opinion.

Hmmm, I don't think these people exist.

 

[Del Piero Style]

Btw, how much power does AA have in Juve?

Gianni was the owner of the club. He was giving the money and he literally owned the club. Could anyone tell Gianni that he's fired? What is Andrea Agnelli and how big influence does he have? Does he control the money or he has to ask others to give money for wages and transfers?
AA is only the president of the club. He's appointed there and he doesn't give a penny for the club. He has the same function that Vittorio Caissotti di Chiusano had from 1990 until 2003 when we had the biggest success (anyone knows this guy?). He has the same function Cobolli Gigli had from 2006 to 2009 and Blanc had in 2009-2010.

Exactly. He's still the president. But not the owner. Which means he has power, but not enough to feel secure. So he's afraid of powerful people. Got it?

 

[king Ale]

Weren't we talking about a lack of respect?

What Capello did (benching him when he was better than the ones who played) was disrespectful imo. And it/he would have forced Ale out, were it not for Calciopoli.

As much as I hate to admit it, Alen has a point here

He doesn't actually. He knows what he does, which is bringing a quite irrelevant point which has nothing to do with the main point. Capello was wrong, but what he did wasn't disrespectful because coaches must be given the freedom to choose their teams. If any of Alex' fans had said Capello was disrespectful to Ale for benching him, the exact same YOU would have mocked them. No, it wasn't disrespectful because he was the coach. Ale could have left the club for that, I know, how is that relevant? He wanted to play more.

Point here is that Alex should be offered new contracts because he is Del Piero. It's not about starting games, it's about showing respect to the club's biggest legend of all time.