I don't think anyone with a bit of common sense would offload the old guard. Fans will be furious
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I prefer reformations to revolutions 
For that I'm strictly against offloading the old guard. A pay-cut and a sub role will do fine.
For that I'm strictly against offloading the old guard. A pay-cut and a sub role will do fine.
Do you think the likes of Camo, Trez, and such will be happy with sub roles and pay cuts???
Hell no, they won't. Not when there are other leagues out there that will offer them more money nad a chance at more playing time, even if the quality of the league is less than Serie A.
Sell while you can, and re-invest. This Juve has gotten stale. Its been stale for at least a couple of years, but they've been able to pull horseshoes out of their asses and won mathces that they had no right to win. Diego is the future of this team for the next 5 years, and its about time they build around arguably their most talented player.
Personally speaking, I've seen a whole bunch of players come and go during the years, and the fans will get over it. They don't have much of a choice.
Who cares if the fans are furious? The only thing worse than an inept board, is an inept board that takes the fans feelings into account too much.
The Stankovic episode comes to mind most vividly. What, he said something about Juventus 5 years ago, and there were riots at the training ground when there was talk about bringing him over?
That is ridiculous, especially considering there were players on that team stating how much he could have helped.
But again, the Ultras have far too much power for their own good, and the board ran like a dog with his tail between his legs.
Screw that.
The Stankovic episode comes to mind most vividly. What, he said something about Juventus 5 years ago, and there were riots at the training ground when there was talk about bringing him over?
That is ridiculous, especially considering there were players on that team stating how much he could have helped.
But again, the Ultras have far too much power for their own good, and the board ran like a dog with his tail between his legs.
Screw that.
I'm not asking for this because of the fans Sergio.
I just think they still can come in handy as subs. Of course it would be another story if they got better offers from other teams or if they decided to pursue their careers somewhere else but this is what I really doubt. I don't really think they could find starting roles in a first level team.
I just think they still can come in handy as subs. Of course it would be another story if they got better offers from other teams or if they decided to pursue their careers somewhere else but this is what I really doubt. I don't really think they could find starting roles in a first level team.
They are barely finding starting roles now with this team, Hoori, and that is only because of injuries, nothing else.
Those are expensive backups to have, and its a bill that juve is going to find increasingly difficult to pay for this season and next if they are still on the books.
And they are going to need to be convinced that they are no longer in the starting 11, and to be honest, they really shouldn't be.
Those are expensive backups to have, and its a bill that juve is going to find increasingly difficult to pay for this season and next if they are still on the books.
And they are going to need to be convinced that they are no longer in the starting 11, and to be honest, they really shouldn't be.
Hoori, you and I are going to respectfully agree to disagree on this topic.
I am all for blowing the whole thing up and starting all over again. I don't care if the team is mediocre for a couple of years, as long as there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
To me,though, that tunnel is blocked by heavy contracts to players who are well past their prime, whose huge contracts are a hinderance to any moves that Juve can make for the future, and I would rather they sell them for 50 cents on the dollar than have them stay around, even if it was at reduced wages and reduced roles.
I honestly think that it is time, and selfishly speaking, a revolution the likes of which we have not seen in decades might be the only thing that can get my hopes up for the future.
I'm sorry if this offends some people, but the sight of certain players who are well past their prime going out there and being a shell of what they used to be just gets me to the point where I'm numb, and I long to see a slew of new young players to root for.
You mention Giggs, raul, and Henry, but these guys are also surrounded by young talents on their squads, and are on teams that have a much larger financial backing than Juve does, so their exorbitant contracts are merely a blip on the financial radar screen. So of course, they can still be useful. How could they not be, when they are surrounded by so much talent around them? Do you think that any of those three would have the same kind of impact if they were here?
I don't think they would.
It's 5:55 in the morning here, and I'm at work, so its time that i actually start working
I am all for blowing the whole thing up and starting all over again. I don't care if the team is mediocre for a couple of years, as long as there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
To me,though, that tunnel is blocked by heavy contracts to players who are well past their prime, whose huge contracts are a hinderance to any moves that Juve can make for the future, and I would rather they sell them for 50 cents on the dollar than have them stay around, even if it was at reduced wages and reduced roles.
I honestly think that it is time, and selfishly speaking, a revolution the likes of which we have not seen in decades might be the only thing that can get my hopes up for the future.
I'm sorry if this offends some people, but the sight of certain players who are well past their prime going out there and being a shell of what they used to be just gets me to the point where I'm numb, and I long to see a slew of new young players to root for.
You mention Giggs, raul, and Henry, but these guys are also surrounded by young talents on their squads, and are on teams that have a much larger financial backing than Juve does, so their exorbitant contracts are merely a blip on the financial radar screen. So of course, they can still be useful. How could they not be, when they are surrounded by so much talent around them? Do you think that any of those three would have the same kind of impact if they were here?
I don't think they would.
It's 5:55 in the morning here, and I'm at work, so its time that i actually start working
I would like to read how you connect Nedved and Marchisio, for other than the obvious facts, that they both are deployed in midfield, and both have connections to Juve, I fail to see, in ANY WAY whatsoever, how you could compare a man whose zeal was bordering on the savage, with a timid youngster, who has had playing time, yet failed to show any sense of consistency or brutal natural talent.
What you wrote is both an insult to Pavel and a very poor analysis of Marchisio...For you are disrespecting one of the true Greats of the beautiful game we all adore and follow passionately.
Undoubedtly, Marchisio has shown promise, but for my money, MORE often that not, this season, like all of our players bar Buffon and Chiellini, he has offered nothing more than a shadow of potential.
What you wrote is both an insult to Pavel and a very poor analysis of Marchisio...For you are disrespecting one of the true Greats of the beautiful game we all adore and follow passionately.
Undoubedtly, Marchisio has shown promise, but for my money, MORE often that not, this season, like all of our players bar Buffon and Chiellini, he has offered nothing more than a shadow of potential.
they both have that heart and passion in the field...if you watched especially the last match you could see what i mean.
now for the bolded part, give me a break...i didn't said they are exact the same...what the heck, are you trying to get some attention or what? No one will be exactly like neddy, or zidane and etc..but the passion of playing for Juve, the passion that Neddy had can be seen in Marchisio.
now for the bolded part, give me a break...i didn't said they are exact the same...what the heck, are you trying to get some attention or what? No one will be exactly like neddy, or zidane and etc..but the passion of playing for Juve, the passion that Neddy had can be seen in Marchisio.
, and almost all of the guys around here said that marchisio is our best player this season.. it's a matter of taste and vision imo but a "shadow of potential" ?...what about melo and momo then?
Franchise, eh?
I guess where you stand on this will depend on how sentimental you are and how ruthless you are willing to be.
While I'm sure they would reject them, I would be tempted to offer guys like Trezeguet and Camoranesi pay-as-you-play deals, because I do believe they have something to offer. They still have something to offer, but are injured far to much to be relied on very much.
It is certainly time that the system that suits Diego best (probably 4-2-3-1) was chosen, without consideration as to whether it suits the old players, most notably Del Piero.
I guess where you stand on this will depend on how sentimental you are and how ruthless you are willing to be.
While I'm sure they would reject them, I would be tempted to offer guys like Trezeguet and Camoranesi pay-as-you-play deals, because I do believe they have something to offer. They still have something to offer, but are injured far to much to be relied on very much.
It is certainly time that the system that suits Diego best (probably 4-2-3-1) was chosen, without consideration as to whether it suits the old players, most notably Del Piero.
ok look firstly i will make this clear, i love del piero he is my favourite player, my hero, the person i have looked up to all my life, ever since i was young you ask me who my favourite player was, i said two words back "del piero". i really worship him as a player and as a man, for me he is the greatest player for the club and my favourite of all time...but even i know and it hurts me to say it but we need to stop this loyalty to our older players such as del piero and begin giving the chance to the future generation....im not saying sell alex im simply saying he must be now used as an impact sub, if he hits a rich vein of form by all means start him if we can but do not rely on him as we have in the past.
it is evident its time for change, that needs to happen now or we will regret it.
and believe me it pains me to say this.
it is evident its time for change, that needs to happen now or we will regret it.
and believe me it pains me to say this.
Those players are paying themselves back with what Juventus are making from their names. How do you explain Juventus is still the highest income club in italy? One of the reasons is your heavily contracted players. These players are winning you games.
Some suggested selling Buffon to Man City for 50 million euros. We bought Diego and Melo for 50 million. I'd sell both and keep Buffon.
How do you think we were getting through in the past couple of years? It was these players who were keeping us decent. This year the whole squad has been plagued by injuries and naturally, being human, they suffered too. Which showed by us loosing a lot.
You want to fix our problems then start from the top. Get a proper management who are wiling to make from players are world class club again. Get a medical staff that can evaluate the players properly. Get a specialist that can decide if the training ground we are working on is good or not.
If you think Buffon is so way passed it how do you explain great clubs like Man U, Barcelona, ..etc are willing trash in whatever we ask for in order to sign him.
If Del Piero is old and grumpy, how do you explain him running around till the last moment of the game even in an off form day?
If Trezeguet is just another "regular" player, how do you explain our poor goal scoring capability during his winter injury period?
In our team we have some world class players that any team in the world would want, we have some average players, and some below average players (at best). The job of the management is, get rid of the below average, try to improve the average/above average players if they are willing to, and keep our world class players and form a proper team around them to learn from them.
Look at the points I posted in the tactics and formation thread. This is our real tactical problems. And this is why we are performing badly this season. The player played a role in it ofcourse, but tactically speaking I believe we do have a major problem.
Some suggested selling Buffon to Man City for 50 million euros. We bought Diego and Melo for 50 million. I'd sell both and keep Buffon.
How do you think we were getting through in the past couple of years? It was these players who were keeping us decent. This year the whole squad has been plagued by injuries and naturally, being human, they suffered too. Which showed by us loosing a lot.
You want to fix our problems then start from the top. Get a proper management who are wiling to make from players are world class club again. Get a medical staff that can evaluate the players properly. Get a specialist that can decide if the training ground we are working on is good or not.
If you think Buffon is so way passed it how do you explain great clubs like Man U, Barcelona, ..etc are willing trash in whatever we ask for in order to sign him.
If Del Piero is old and grumpy, how do you explain him running around till the last moment of the game even in an off form day?
If Trezeguet is just another "regular" player, how do you explain our poor goal scoring capability during his winter injury period?
In our team we have some world class players that any team in the world would want, we have some average players, and some below average players (at best). The job of the management is, get rid of the below average, try to improve the average/above average players if they are willing to, and keep our world class players and form a proper team around them to learn from them.
Look at the points I posted in the tactics and formation thread. This is our real tactical problems. And this is why we are performing badly this season. The player played a role in it ofcourse, but tactically speaking I believe we do have a major problem.
I didn't mean to say that fans have so much power over the team, I mean that it would be the biggest disrespect a board can show if they decide to offload players like Trez, Camo, Buffon. It will be as if Manchester decides to sell Giggs, Scholes, Nevile or Real to offload Raul etc. I just don't think its possible for our board to be so stupid to disrespect the old guard.