If you jump, Balotelli dies(Se Saltelli Muore Balotelli) (13 Viewers)

[X Æ A-12]

Good to see you saying that, but at the same time contradicting yourself. Thats basically what I meant, and you saying they should be allowed whatever was what I didnt get at all, sounded like cheesy psuedo anarchist standpoint.

And you know, the 3rd bolded part, explains everything now regarding you. And its exactly why I asked you what do you think punishing means? Because I wasnt sure what you were getting at, and you seemed confused. Basically, it seems you seem to think its to prosecute them? Dude, this is football stadio, football related bad and ugly/unwarranted behaviour. How do you deal with that? How do they in general deal with such things in Sports? Banning them from the premises of their sport activities, not frigging take them to trial, lock them up, and throw away the key.

Ok, the prosecution part was only for the KKK it had nothing to do with football, I included it because the KKK are not in a football stadium so their football club can't get fined right? I know that the fans would never be prosecuted that is simply ridiculous, but I was using it as an example of punishment for the KKK.

I agree that fans chanting racist chants should be ejected from the stadium, but I disagree with stadium bans and club fines in this instance. I apologize for the confusion because I am not a racist person perhaps I am just bad at explaining my opinion through typing it.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Speaking of which, how many football games have you attended in Italy?

I'm asking, because I feel it's relevant.

Don't be an ass. It's not relevant when you can understand words.

You can't prove the chant was based on racism, so therefore, you lose.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I think it's good most people here don't attend stadium matches. I don't think people could handle it. If they get upset over a chant like this one, I can't imagine what they'd do if they heard some other stuff people say.

And yes I am all for this chant.

, I feel scared for my life anytime I go to a raiders game

They used to be big across the river from where Burke and I go to school. The Klan is dying off because every time they have a rally people show up and tell them how dumb they are.

Good to hear that they are dying out, did you guys grow up in the south?

 

[Osman]

I think it's good most people here don't attend stadium matches. I don't think people could handle it. If they get upset over a chant like this one, I can't imagine what they'd do if they heard some other stuff people say.

And yes I am all for this chant.

Been to 4 Juve games (non Juve ones too, Lazio home game being the ugliest experience), generally good experience. Doesnt mean I should condone outright idiotic BS and especially racist shit (again Lazio game, you know, the same Lazio we used to ridicule for racist chants, but now our fans doing it themselves).

 

[Osman]

Don't be an ass. It's not relevant when you can understand words.

You can't prove the chant was based on racism, so therefore, you lose.

You really can be childish at times.

And he isnt being an ass when you brought that up on your own.

 

[Enron]

Ok, the prosecution part was only for the KKK it had nothing to do with football, I included it because the KKK are not in a football stadium so their football club can't get fined right? I know that the fans would never be prosecuted that is simply ridiculous, but I was using it as an example of punishment for the KKK.

I agree that fans chanting racist chants should be ejected from the stadium, but I disagree with stadium bans and club fines in this instance. I apologize for the confusion because I am not a racist person perhaps I am just bad at explaining my opinion through typing it.

I don't really think the KKK is a good analogy for football chants. I only brought it up to generalize the conversation.

The KKK like Juventus is an organization. However, in the US (so long as you don't hate on Jews or the President) speech isn't enough to warrant a fine (unless its on the radio). The KKK got busted for it's violent actions and plots to commit violent action. They also were sued for various things. But we aren't talking about the US.

In Juve's case. It's all about how the league wants to be seen by the rest of the world.

 

[Osman]

Better anology would be would you allow the KKK in your sports stadiums chanting racist shit? Obviously not.

 

[Enron]

Good to hear that they are dying out, did you guys grow up in the south?

Burke is from West Virginia. I was born in Georgia and was raised all around the south and Texas. So I guess we're Southern.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I don't really think the KKK is a good analogy for football chants. I only brought it up to generalize the conversation.

The KKK like Juventus is an organization. However, in the US (so long as you don't hate on Jews or the President) speech isn't enough to warrant a fine (unless its on the radio). The KKK got busted for it's violent actions and plots to commit violent action. They also were sued for various things. But we aren't talking about the US.

In Juve's case. It's all about how the league wants to be seen by the rest of the world.

I agree, the KKK was a bad analogy since it has little in common other than racism with the football chants.

 

[Osman]

Even if it's not racism (which I still think it is), do we find it classy?

Fuck no, its stupid as hell shit even if it was very very unseriously intended banter. Which its not considering the general history of behaviour of those saying it.

 

[Enron]

Better anology would be would you allow the KKK in your sports stadiums chanting racist shit? Obviously not.

We have different laws regarding speech. So it doesn't really translate, plus it's more or so up to the leagues. In the NFL players get fined for cursing into a microphone, cursing the ref, and inappropriate gestures. Fans aren't a focus of the league, though they can yell some really awful stuff.

 

[Enron]

Even if it's not racism (which I still think it is), do we find it classy?

It's not classy, but I thought it funny the first time I saw it. Perhaps it's the devil in me.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Better anology would be would you allow the KKK in your sports stadiums chanting racist shit? Obviously not.

Of course not, but I would feel safer around them than the black panthers I always sit next to in the Oracle Arena

 

[Hist]

Good to see you saying that, but at the same time contradicting yourself. Thats basically what I meant, and you saying they should be allowed whatever was what I didnt get at all, sounded like cheesy psuedo anarchist standpoint.

And you know, seeing the 3rd bolded part, explains everything now regarding wtf you been saying. And its exactly why I asked you what do you think punishing means? Because I wasnt sure what you were getting at at all, and you seemed confused in terms of saying they should be allowed. Basically, it seems you seem to think its to prosecute them? Dude, this is football stadio, football related bad and ugly/unwarranted behaviour. How do you deal with that? How do they in general deal with such things in Sports? Banning them from the premises of their sport activities, not frigging take them to trial, lock them up, and throw away the key.

Thank you!

 

[Enron]

Of course not, but I would feel safer around them than the black panthers I always sit next to in the Oracle Arena

Well the BPs carried AK-47s and shotguns in public. Basically "right to arms" guys like yourself.

 

[Osman]

Of course not, but I would feel safer around them than the black panthers I always sit next to in the Oracle Arena

And I would be safe around the Black panthers, doesnt mean I would condone or be any less against the hateful and extremely extremist bile the modern version of the Black Panthers have been spewing.

 

[X Æ A-12]

And I would be safe around the Black panthers, doesnt mean I would condone or be any less against the hateful and extremely extremist bile the modern version of the Black Panthers have been spewing.

Ok, that comment was a joke. I don't condone the KKK's conduct and for the 1,000th time I am not racist. Btw did you not have a reply for my post last page?

 

[Hist]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-punish-Newcastle-fans-hurled-abuse-Mido.html


Thats is what happens at more civilized countries in BETTER Leagues

 

[Enron]

Well, in a way it is a bit funny. But not funny enough. Not to mention the timing was horrible.

I was like "oh man do they really say that".:evil:

It's like a joke that's really only funny once or twice. I didn't think the chant was racist either, but I wasn't aware of the context behind it. Even now I'm not sure if those who say it mean it as racism either, though I'm sure there are some that do.

 

[Osman]

Kyle. I know you were being facetious, but just stressing its vital one doesnt condone and speak up against degenerates, even if its doesnt concern ourselves directly.

And didnt address the post because I understood it and what you meant, and not much need to reply to it.