Hamsik to Juve? (17 Viewers)
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It's better to get him now, while he is still much lower profile and his cost is less than20 million than in 3 years later when he starts to achieve his potential and his value reaches 30 million. There is a reason clubs like ManU, Barca, Arsenal go after young talent who are still a bit raw. It's cheaper and much less of a hassle than cahsing a player who evey single club is after.
Were you serious with that post DelPieroForLife?
Lion, not saying we should get him, go ahead, I would love it. But just dont expect that much and hype him as he was in the last page (Serie A's best player?). Take him over Diego and VDV? Thats a bizzare joke. What has he proven? He is a good young talent who plays in a small team and is playing his first half season of Serie A and doing it well (but lets have some perspective while evaluating him).
If you want to sign him, do so, but not as our crunch player to lay all our hopes on when we can buy better and more established players, thats just too unnecessary of a gamble. Like Diego, who we know what we will get NOW. You said it best, its better to buy him(or a talent now in general) now then when he has acheived his potential. But the thing is, we cant afford waiting for someone to acheive their potential, but need people who have done so already. Because it was being advocated that we sign him over ESTABLISHED players, while Hamsik isnt one. Its all ok signing him, aslong as we dont have to rely on him completely.
He isnt any better then Montolivo for example, and I would love to have a talent like that too, but thats all he is for now, a talent. Not really broken through or shown he is a top player. If we have the luxury to have wait until they acheive their potential, we need to have established stars like Diego to carry us while we wait for the youngins to turn good. You mentionned those top teams (and btw Man U's benched big talents, they bought them for 45m for Anderson and Nani alone...), well you know why they have the luxury to break in their talents slowly/bench them? They have established stars NOW that carry them, they dont need to rely on their raw talents. They have the Rooneys, Giggs, CR's,Tevez or the Messi's,Ronnies, Eto'Os, Henry's and so and on for the other teams. You get me? We need to sign those core big players to bring the substantial impact we need NOW because we dont have them at all, instead of having the luxury to sign talents we have to wait until they turn into big players , they cant carry that load, those top players are needed to carry the heavy load(unneccessary big gamble you cant afford if you dont have impact players, if they are thrown in to just start, they are pressured to be great now instead of later, case in point Criscito...).
Meaning in short, having Hamsik would be fine...aslong as we dont have to rely on him and already have great players like Diego or top top player in general who does the bussiness for us now, and in which the young talents can play alongside. Generally they are teams who are lucky enough to re-juvenate their team and slowly break in their future stars/talents WHILE having their current great generation/top players, we dont, we havent rejuvenated our team yet at all, couple old stars and couple few current ones, is not the making of a top team. But one is in a mid-life crisis so to speak.
Lion, not saying we should get him, go ahead, I would love it. But just dont expect that much and hype him as he was in the last page (Serie A's best player?). Take him over Diego and VDV? Thats a bizzare joke. What has he proven? He is a good young talent who plays in a small team and is playing his first half season of Serie A and doing it well (but lets have some perspective while evaluating him).
If you want to sign him, do so, but not as our crunch player to lay all our hopes on when we can buy better and more established players, thats just too unnecessary of a gamble. Like Diego, who we know what we will get NOW. You said it best, its better to buy him(or a talent now in general) now then when he has acheived his potential. But the thing is, we cant afford waiting for someone to acheive their potential, but need people who have done so already. Because it was being advocated that we sign him over ESTABLISHED players, while Hamsik isnt one. Its all ok signing him, aslong as we dont have to rely on him completely.
He isnt any better then Montolivo for example, and I would love to have a talent like that too, but thats all he is for now, a talent. Not really broken through or shown he is a top player. If we have the luxury to have wait until they acheive their potential, we need to have established stars like Diego to carry us while we wait for the youngins to turn good. You mentionned those top teams (and btw Man U's benched big talents, they bought them for 45m for Anderson and Nani alone...), well you know why they have the luxury to break in their talents slowly/bench them? They have established stars NOW that carry them, they dont need to rely on their raw talents. They have the Rooneys, Giggs, CR's,Tevez or the Messi's,Ronnies, Eto'Os, Henry's and so and on for the other teams. You get me? We need to sign those core big players to bring the substantial impact we need NOW because we dont have them at all, instead of having the luxury to sign talents we have to wait until they turn into big players , they cant carry that load, those top players are needed to carry the heavy load(unneccessary big gamble you cant afford if you dont have impact players, if they are thrown in to just start, they are pressured to be great now instead of later, case in point Criscito...).
Meaning in short, having Hamsik would be fine...aslong as we dont have to rely on him and already have great players like Diego or top top player in general who does the bussiness for us now, and in which the young talents can play alongside. Generally they are teams who are lucky enough to re-juvenate their team and slowly break in their future stars/talents WHILE having their current great generation/top players, we dont, we havent rejuvenated our team yet at all, couple old stars and couple few current ones, is not the making of a top team. But one is in a mid-life crisis so to speak.
If it's Diego/vdV vs Hamsik then the choice should be obvious and i agree with you here, but from your comments about Hamsik i get the feeling that you didn't watch him much, not more than one or two times.
Montolivo has been playing in serie A for 3 years in a row and he's 2 years older than Hamsik but in these half season Hamsik has proven that he's 5 times the player Montolivo is.
Napoli are only 1 point away from UEFA Cup spot and Hamsik is their best player this year. The guy scores (3rd highest scoring midfielder in the league after Totti and Kaka and if penalties don't count he's second after Totti), assists a lot, organizes the play and wins balls.
He has proven that he has no problems making the big step from a weak league to one of the best leagues in the world and not only that but he immediately became one of the best players in the league (for the half season that is). That shows psychological strenght as well.
He's very young, only 20 yo, and he can still be concidered a talent but from the way he plays it looks like you're watching an experienced midfielder with at least 10 years experience playing in serie A.
Can you imagine the potential if he's this good now?
Montolivo has been playing in serie A for 3 years in a row and he's 2 years older than Hamsik but in these half season Hamsik has proven that he's 5 times the player Montolivo is.
Napoli are only 1 point away from UEFA Cup spot and Hamsik is their best player this year. The guy scores (3rd highest scoring midfielder in the league after Totti and Kaka and if penalties don't count he's second after Totti), assists a lot, organizes the play and wins balls.
He has proven that he has no problems making the big step from a weak league to one of the best leagues in the world and not only that but he immediately became one of the best players in the league (for the half season that is). That shows psychological strenght as well.
He's very young, only 20 yo, and he can still be concidered a talent but from the way he plays it looks like you're watching an experienced midfielder with at least 10 years experience playing in serie A.
Can you imagine the potential if he's this good now?
No problem mate, its your opinion
But i dont think "Bullshit teams" would be top of their leagues..anyway this could have been a better way to put it.
"I dont know him, but i would have loved that TonyKart dude! Juve is Juve, not Arsenal or Inter that dont field any English\ Italian players"
But i dont think "Bullshit teams" would be top of their leagues..anyway this could have been a better way to put it.
"I dont know him, but i would have loved that TonyKart dude! Juve is Juve, not Arsenal or Inter that dont field any English\ Italian players"
! I like the way Arsenal plays football, no doubt about the fact that they play the greatest football in England (together with ManU) offcourse, but when I look a bit further (and that's very important for me), I just don't like teams that refuse to feature players from their own country. I don't consider Inter as an Italian team. Liverpool and Arsenal have the same problem.
Little failure !
I like the way Arsenal plays football, no doubt about the fact that they play the greatest football in England (together with ManU) offcourse, but when I look a bit further (and that's very important for me), I just don't like teams that refuse to feature players from their own country. I don't consider Inter as an Italian team. Liverpool and Arsenal have the same problem.
! I like the way Arsenal plays football, no doubt about the fact that they play the greatest football in England (together with ManU) offcourse, but when I look a bit further (and that's very important for me), I just don't like teams that refuse to feature players from their own country. I don't consider Inter as an Italian team. Liverpool and Arsenal have the same problem.
gotta disagree with you there. montolivo is a friggin' boss. he could become a top 5 player in the world if he goes an italian club that plays in CL every year. and remember, italians tend to reach their prime later than the rest so he's got a bit of developing to do still. along with de rossi, he would be my dream signing for our midfield. would still love hamsik though.
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