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[ALC]

There are progressions to most bodyweight strength exercises. The problem with weight training in order to do something like a planche is that it doesn't help at all. One could have a 1x bodyweight bench press or a 2x bodyweight bench press and still be in the same place as far as training for a planche pushup goes, and probably take about the same time to get there. The person with less starting strength will develop that requisite strength as they move through the planche progressions of developing strength in very disadvantageous leverage positions. One of the advantages of training in such positions is the crossover to advantageous leverage positions is immense, whereas the reverse is not true. Bodyweight strength crosses over to weightlifting strength much better than the reverse, when it comes to upper body. Lower body, not so much.

Hypertrophy will definitely be faster with weights and isolation exercises, as the entire sport of bodybuilding shows, same with weightlifting in the sense of powerlifting and O-lifts, is the way to go over training with bodyweight exercises. Specificity is key. If my goal was maximum hypertrophy I would do isolation weightlifting. If my goal was maximum strength I would do powerlifting. If my goal was maximum speed-strength/explosive power I would do Olympic style weightlifting. If my goal is the ability to manipulate my own bodyweight, of course bodyweight exercises. If my goal is a mix of athleticism, strength, power, body control, size, etc. I probably mix it all together...

I front squat, clean, snatch, and occasionally deadlift and bench press. All else is bodyweight exercise. Assistance and isolation weightlifting exercises just don't provide a tangible benefit outside of hypertrophy. I want more than that. If I want stronger biceps, I'm going to get there in a much more useful way with pull-ups and iron cross training. If I want stronger triceps, planche, maltese and handstand work is going to help me out a lot more than tricep extensions, pullovers, etc. The thing is, the bodyweight exercises are also going to make me very strong at the weightlifting exercises, whereas those weightlifting exercises won't make me any better at those bodyweight exercises.

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This book/pdf has a whole section on Planche progressions which require no equipment.

Same thing with front levers. All that's required is a pull-up bar. Manna training too. Nothing is really required.

I do most of this stuff in the stretching/exercise room at my gym, after I finish with Squats and O-lifts. But seeing as I only lift twice a week right now, I do 2 more days at home on bodyweight strength each week.

I don't want people to misunderstand me though. Weightlifting is fantastic. As is bodyweight strength training. I try to combine the two in the best way possible, as I want to try to combine the benefits of both to the best degree possible.

I understand what you're saying, I just think the average person would progress faster from weights

 

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[Post Ironic]

@PostIronic Do you handstand?

Handstands are fantastic.

So, yes. Every day!

 

[JCK]

Handstands are fantastic.

So, yes. Every day!

I am working on it but I think once a week training for handstands is not enough. Every day you say? I should work on making it a habit.

 

[Post Ironic]

I am working on it but I think once a week training for handstands is not enough. Every day you say? I should work on making it a habit.

Even just 5-10 minutes at the start or end of every workout is a great way to do it. Or at home in the evening. It's more skill training than strength training, until you're doing something like handstand push ups, or planche to handstand presses. The skill part of learning to hold perfect free standing handstands is something you can do every single day.

 

[JCK]

 

[Ford Prefect]

Finally found a trainer willing to teach me on an ad hoc basis, most (understandably) want me to sign up for X amount of lessons for £££, but I loath that method of training. Now I can just book a lesson when I want to learn stuff, Schweet.

 

[Post Ironic]

Finally found a trainer willing to teach me on an ad hoc basis, most (understandably) want me to sign up for X amount of lessons for £££, but I loath that method of training. Now I can just book a lesson when I want to learn stuff, Schweet.

When I was a trainer, I much preferred this set up with clients. A training session or two every couple months, so as to ascertain progress, correct form, and introduce more challenging exercises. Worst thing in the world is the clients who want you to train them 2-3 times per week. So fucking boring.

Unfortunately, this preference is probably why I never made much money as a trainer, as those 2-3X/week clients are where the money is.

 

[Ford Prefect]

When I was a trainer, I much preferred this set up with clients. A training session or two every couple months, so as to ascertain progress, correct form, and introduce more challenging exercises. Worst thing in the world is the clients who want you to train them 2-3 times per week. So fucking boring.

Unfortunately, this preference is probably why I never made much money as a trainer, as those 2-3X/week clients are where the money is.

I guess it depends on someone's levek of commitment and the trainers ability to devote themselves to motivate someone. I just prefer to get on with it by myself and progress at a steady rate, have someone tell 'feel the burn' etc. would make me want to hit them

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So I'm stuck at a weight plateau, can't drop below 190 and I woiuld like to get to a nice 175-180. I do not eat white carbs, barely eat meat, I'm basically a pescatarian, do cardio of 30 minutes three times a week along with some weights. Cant shake these last twenty pounds. oh and i do not drink alcohol except for the occasional glass of wine at dinner. Almost exclusively water

 

[JuveJay]

How tall are you, and what is you calorie intake (roughly)?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

How tall are you, and what is you calorie intake (roughly)?

I'm 5'10" I take in around 1900-2100 a day drink easily 80-100 ounces of water a day and am also active at work not sitting at a desk

 

[JuveJay]

I'm 5'10" I take in around 1900-2100 a day drink easily 80-100 ounces of water a day and am also active at work not sitting at a desk

1900 in particular seems low end for a guy with your height and diet/routine, it's possible your body has settled into what you are fuelling it. I wouldn't be too discouraged with a plateau, you might only lose 0.5 lbs per week or nothing for a while, this fat is hard to shift and could take some weeks.

Speaking from experience it's like myself when I try to go from 175 to 165 (I'm 5'8"), I actually eat 200-400 calories more than a cutting or regular calorie-counting "diet", and lift more, but it's a real slog for a stocky person.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

1900 in particular seems low end for a guy with your height and diet/routine, it's possible your body has settled into what you are fuelling it. I wouldn't be too discouraged with a plateau, you might only lose 0.5 lbs per week or nothing for a while, this fat is hard to shift and could take some weeks.

Speaking from experience it's like myself when I try to go from 175 to 165 (I'm 5'8"), I actually eat 200-400 calories more than a cutting or regular calorie-counting "diet", and lift more, but it's a real slog for a stocky person.

Thanks brother! It wears a little on you when you get stuck lol

 

[ALC]

There is a chance you might be underestimating how many calories you're taking in. Take a more drastic cut and you should notice changes.

 

[Nzoric]

Is it really possible to injure your ankle by skipping rope? Feels like someone is stabbing me right in the joint every time I push off with my left foot to take a step.

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So I'm stuck at a weight plateau, can't drop below 190 and I woiuld like to get to a nice 175-180. I do not eat white carbs, barely eat meat, I'm basically a pescatarian, do cardio of 30 minutes three times a week along with some weights. Cant shake these last twenty pounds. oh and i do not drink alcohol except for the occasional glass of wine at dinner. Almost exclusively water

If you allow your body to live a little, perhaps it will play nice and lose the rest.

 

[89man]

Just back from a run. Big mistake not using my inhaler beforehand.

 

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Nerd

 

[lgorTudor]

1900 in particular seems low end for a guy with your height and diet/routine, it's possible your body has settled into what you are fuelling it. I wouldn't be too discouraged with a plateau, you might only lose 0.5 lbs per week or nothing for a while, this fat is hard to shift and could take some weeks.

Speaking from experience it's like myself when I try to go from 175 to 165 (I'm 5'8"), I actually eat 200-400 calories more than a cutting or regular calorie-counting "diet", and lift more, but it's a real slog for a stocky person.

This. Raise your training intensity and eat a steak now and then so your body knows you are not starving. If your body thinks you're starving it won't burn fat, it will try to accumulate it.


I am 193cm 90kg, lost 10kg in 3 months by 5x60min cardio a week and restricting myself to 2000-2300kcal. The thing is...I was eating a ton of junkfood, like 2x500kcal burgers and 800kcal pizza on the same day sometimes. It worked for me.

 

[Lion]

Is it really possible to injure your ankle by skipping rope? Feels like someone is stabbing me right in the joint every time I push off with my left foot to take a step.

check your shoes. depending on how u walk u might be putting pressure on the support of your shoes, which damages it over time.

 

[Nzoric]

Nerd