Gym and fitness (30 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Has anyone tried strong lifts 5x5? http://stronglifts.com/5x5/

@Zacheryah, what do you think of it?

"Bill star intermediate 5x5" is based on it, and comes with an entire template.

It was the first schedule i ran when i switched to powerlifting in 2012 and i've made significant gains on it

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Crossfit is so retarded and so overpriced. I know the owner of the local crossfit here, he asked me to become a trainer there and get that useless crossfit trainer cert 5 years ago or so. Watching the workouts they do, and the form they use is entirely hilarious.

Video coaching of every rep by Boris Sheiko, or even Mike Tuchscherer, costs less then doing crossfit by some unknown bloke who films your progress.

This bloke will likely kill every progress you'll ever make.

Sheiko as a trainer has developped athletes in over 100 gold medals in international olympic and powerlifting.



Yeah i know what i'd pick

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learning o-lifts are through crossfit.

Olympic lifts are perfected by learning the athlete perfect mobility, flexibility and explosiveness by working with perfect form from the ground up. You cant grind olympic lifts.



Crossfit doesnt give a flying shit about form. Do more lifts faster, end.





What did the competitive participants of the crossfit games do ? Oh right, they are nearly all former olympic lifters who are bouncing weight they dont even use to warm up with.

 

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[Post Ironic]

It's really quite amusing that Crossfit tries to suggest that they turn average people into better athletes than professional athletes, but their own crossfit games are dominated each year by athletes from other sports.

 

[Lion]

Olympic lifting can be dangerous if you don't have the proper training. YouTube videos work great for regular lifting and checking form but O-lifting is a whole different animal.

it's cuz idiots dont understand u need to check ur ego out and build up strength nice and slow. too many people to much weight on and end up doing the exercise wrong

progress doesnt come fast, but it can be steady every week if u are eating enough calories and getting proper rest. 5 pound weekly increase in lifts is not uncommon if u are trainning properly, consistently and eating right

 

[Nzoric]

Im just sticking to pushups/pullups/crunches/ab roller and skipping rope. It dawned on me that beig a gym bro isnt really something I feel like. I do this stuff at home and I feel great after doing them every day. Will most likely keep adding stuff as I progress, but as far as Im concerned, body weight workouts are where its at.

 

[Post Ironic]

Im just sticking to pushups/pullups/crunches/ab roller and skipping rope. It dawned on me that beig a gym bro isnt really something I feel like. I do this stuff at home and I feel great after doing them every day. Will most likely keep adding stuff as I progress, but as far as Im concerned, body weight workouts are where its at.

For upper body, all I do is bodyweight work.

This book is great for progressing with bodyweight strength exercises. http://kickass.to/building-the-gymnastic-body-the-science-of-gymnastics-strength-t4150023.html#main

 

[ALC]

it's cuz idiots dont understand u need to check ur ego out and build up strength nice and slow. too many people to much weight on and end up doing the exercise wrong

progress doesnt come fast, but it can be steady every week if u are eating enough calories and getting proper rest. 5 pound weekly increase in lifts is not uncommon if u are trainning properly, consistently and eating right

Man, you've been on fire today. First that comment in the CL thread about us having every right to win it and now this

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Im just sticking to pushups/pullups/crunches/ab roller and skipping rope. It dawned on me that beig a gym bro isnt really something I feel like. I do this stuff at home and I feel great after doing them every day. Will most likely keep adding stuff as I progress, but as far as Im concerned, body weight workouts are where its at.

Body weight workouts are great, but idk what you're implying when you say "gym bro"

 

[Lion]

 

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I'm like 95% sure it's been posted before, but I'm doing it anyway

 

[Ford Prefect]

Im just sticking to pushups/pullups/crunches/ab roller and skipping rope. It dawned on me that beig a gym bro isnt really something I feel like. I do this stuff at home and I feel great after doing them every day. Will most likely keep adding stuff as I progress, but as far as Im concerned, body weight workouts are where its at.

I did body weight work but progressed to the gym when I stopped finding challenge in what I was doing, I didn't want to lose to the motivation. I disagree with your characterisation of 'gym bros'. I go to the gym alone because none of my mates lift, which is fine, the guys in the gym pay me no attention but I know if I were in the gym with my friends I'd behave in the same way because it's the natural way for friends to interact. So you're a gym bro regardless, you just don't go to the gym

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"Bill star intermediate 5x5" is based on it, and comes with an entire template.

It was the first schedule i ran when i switched to powerlifting in 2012 and i've made significant gains on it

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Video coaching of every rep by Boris Sheiko, or even Mike Tuchscherer, costs less then doing crossfit by some unknown bloke who films your progress.

This bloke will likely kill every progress you'll ever make.

Sheiko as a trainer has developped athletes in over 100 gold medals in international olympic and powerlifting.



Yeah i know what i'd pick

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Olympic lifts are perfected by learning the athlete perfect mobility, flexibility and explosiveness by working with perfect form from the ground up. You cant grind olympic lifts.



Crossfit doesnt give a flying shit about form. Do more lifts faster, end.





What did the competitive participants of the crossfit games do ? Oh right, they are nearly all former olympic lifters who are bouncing weight they dont even use to warm up with.

Thanks man, will read up on my commute home this evening. I have no plans to go to crossfit!

 

[JuveJay]

Gym bros plural is more accurate, like get in a group and stand and chat around one piece of equipment for 2 hours whilst doing a couple of reps each before flexing your biceps in the mirror. It's not really a social club.

 

[Zacheryah]

owner shouldnt allow that tbh.

the ghetto gym i've been to a while in antwerp had that. Groups of 5-6 morrocs basically claiming the benchpress for 3+ houres, and they dont allow you to switch in reps with them.


... it was quite fun when someone was doing tbar rows, someone used the other bench and i was doing squats or deadlifts with the final bar, that they were just standing around there, beeing angry and all.

They once then took the smith machine to bench (=pussy), and tried deloading my squatbar.

Its amazing how they think they are save and badass gangstashit in a group, but when the tall angry white male comes walking in saying "hey, i was not finished yet, i'll have those 25's back", they all shit their pants, and when the angry tall white male is gone, they continue doing what they do best

....angry stares and flexing in the mirror

 

[IliveForJuve]

Crossfit stupidly expensive. I always advise people to get Insanity instead and invest all their crossfit money in supplements.

 

[Post Ironic]

owner shouldnt allow that tbh.

the ghetto gym i've been to a while in antwerp had that. Groups of 5-6 morrocs basically claiming the benchpress for 3+ houres, and they dont allow you to switch in reps with them.


... it was quite fun when someone was doing tbar rows, someone used the other bench and i was doing squats or deadlifts with the final bar, that they were just standing around there, beeing angry and all.

They once then took the smith machine to bench (=pussy), and tried deloading my squatbar.

Its amazing how they think they are save and badass gangsta$#@! in a group, but when the tall angry white male comes walking in saying "hey, i was not finished yet, i'll have those 25's back", they all $#@! their pants, and when the angry tall white male is gone, they continue doing what they do best

....angry stares and flexing in the mirror

In the gym I worked at, there was a pair of amateur body-builders at my gym who took a squat rack for their entire workout every single time. They'd do bicep curls in the rack, they'd bring a bench in and do bench press there, they'd do shrugs, chin-ups with a 25% range of motion, tricep extensions, some weird exercises I'd never seen, etc. They'd literally take a squat rack for 3 hours 5 days a week, and spend at least 3/4 of the time flexing in front of the mirror.

The bigger guy was in the gym alone one time and tripped over the bench press bench while walking through the gym, flexing and staring at himself in the mirror. Funniest thing ever, fell right down. I couldn't stop laughing.

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I did body weight work but progressed to the gym when I stopped finding challenge in what I was doing, I didn't want to lose to the motivation. I disagree with your characterisation of 'gym bros'. I go to the gym alone because none of my mates lift, which is fine, the guys in the gym pay me no attention but I know if I were in the gym with my friends I'd behave in the same way because it's the natural way for friends to interact. So you're a gym bro regardless, you just don't go to the gym

Check out the book I linked Nzoric to. Some of those bodyweight exercises that require no equipment at all and take years to get to. Things like full planche, planche push-ups, front lever pull-ups, 90 degree push-ups, Erbs, floor Maltese, High V-Sit, Manna, Side Lever Pulls, etc.

 

[ALC]

Crossfit stupidly expensive. I always advise people to get Insanity instead and invest all their crossfit money in supplements.

idk, crossfit can be pretty awesome if you do it right.

Check out the book I linked Nzoric to. Some of those bodyweight exercises that require no equipment at all and take years to get to. Things like full planche, planche push-ups, front lever pull-ups, 90 degree push-ups, Erbs, floor Maltese, High V-Sit, Manna, Side Lever Pulls, etc.

Bodyweight exercises can be incredibly challenging, after all that's what gymnastics is, but it seems to be to be ineffective for putting on mass. Even gymnasts start off with weights to get to the point they do.

 

[Post Ironic]

Bodyweight exercises can be incredibly challenging, after all that's what gymnastics is, but it seems to be to be ineffective for putting on mass. Even gymnasts start off with weights to get to the point they do.

This isn't true in the gymnastics power countries. The Chinese, Russians, Eastern Europeans that dominate men's gymnastics don't do any weightlifting. Even in America it's not really true.

Here's an interview with a US Men's Junior National Team coach.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...ing_performance_interviews/all_muscle_no_iron

It all depends on the type of mass you want to gain. Getting that 120kg bodybuilder physique @ a height of 180cm is certainly not going to happen with gymnastic training. But it is very easy to get that 80-90kg ripped athlete physique @ a height of 180cm, especially if one uses weights for lower body exercises (almost impossible to train properly without weights).

Upper body is very easy to gain mass with just bodyweight exercises, provided one is doing the right volume. A gymnast who can do an iron cross, and multiple one arm pull-ups is going to have absolutely immense bicep curl strength for example, and very large biceps. Same thing with planche push-ups, and maltese transferring to tricep and pec strength. If you can do a maltese on rings, a double bodyweight bench press is going to feel like nothing.

 

[ALC]

How are you gonna get to one armed pushups to start with tho? Weights make you stronger at a much faster rate.

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I thought you meant pullups. But still.

 

[Ford Prefect]

How do you progress to a planche push up? That sounds impossible!

If I had access to gymnast eqpt then I'd love to do body weight stuff. But in my flat I had a pull up bar, push up disks, ab roller and 30kgs of free weights, my gains have been massive since I joined the gym and could really focus my lifting. I need someone like you irl to go to the gym with

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

@Zacheryah can you remember the links you provided about the diet coke? I'm fed up of people lecturing me about drinking it and I wanna share the info

 

[Post Ironic]

How are you gonna get to one armed pushups to start with tho? Weights make you stronger at a much faster rate.

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I thought you meant pullups. But still.

There are progressions to most bodyweight strength exercises. The problem with weight training in order to do something like a planche is that it doesn't help at all. One could have a 1x bodyweight bench press or a 2x bodyweight bench press and still be in the same place as far as training for a planche pushup goes, and probably take about the same time to get there. The person with less starting strength will develop that requisite strength as they move through the planche progressions of developing strength in very disadvantageous leverage positions. One of the advantages of training in such positions is the crossover to advantageous leverage positions is immense, whereas the reverse is not true. Bodyweight strength crosses over to weightlifting strength much better than the reverse, when it comes to upper body. Lower body, not so much.

Hypertrophy will definitely be faster with weights and isolation exercises, as the entire sport of bodybuilding shows, same with weightlifting in the sense of powerlifting and O-lifts, is the way to go over training with bodyweight exercises. Specificity is key. If my goal was maximum hypertrophy I would do isolation weightlifting. If my goal was maximum strength I would do powerlifting. If my goal was maximum speed-strength/explosive power I would do Olympic style weightlifting. If my goal is the ability to manipulate my own bodyweight, of course bodyweight exercises. If my goal is a mix of athleticism, strength, power, body control, size, etc. I probably mix it all together...

I front squat, clean, snatch, and occasionally deadlift and bench press. All else is bodyweight exercise. Assistance and isolation weightlifting exercises just don't provide a tangible benefit outside of hypertrophy. I want more than that. If I want stronger biceps, I'm going to get there in a much more useful way with pull-ups and iron cross training. If I want stronger triceps, planche, maltese and handstand work is going to help me out a lot more than tricep extensions, pullovers, etc. The thing is, the bodyweight exercises are also going to make me very strong at the weightlifting exercises, whereas those weightlifting exercises won't make me any better at those bodyweight exercises.

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How do you progress to a planche push up? That sounds impossible!

If I had access to gymnast eqpt then I'd love to do body weight stuff. But in my flat I had a pull up bar, push up disks, ab roller and 30kgs of free weights, my gains have been massive since I joined the gym and could really focus my lifting. I need someone like you irl to go to the gym with

http://kickass.to/building-the-gymnastic-body-the-science-of-gymnastics-strength-t4150023.html#main


This book/pdf has a whole section on Planche progressions which require no equipment.

Same thing with front levers. All that's required is a pull-up bar. Manna training too. Nothing is really required.

I do most of this stuff in the stretching/exercise room at my gym, after I finish with Squats and O-lifts. But seeing as I only lift twice a week right now, I do 2 more days at home on bodyweight strength each week.

I don't want people to misunderstand me though. Weightlifting is fantastic. As is bodyweight strength training. I try to combine the two in the best way possible, as I want to try to combine the benefits of both to the best degree possible.

 

[JCK]

@PostIronic Do you handstand?