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Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
I'm working out for 7 straight weeks, and using Bill Starr's 5X5 program that Zach posted. It was great until recently when I started to have some awkward feeling in my lover back. It's not really pain, but more like fatigue, it's like I can't hold my back stiffed and straight when I bend (no gay jokes pls :D).

I'm squatting and bench pressing 100 kg's, also my deadlifts are around 90 kg's, barbell rows 72 kg's and clean to press are around 65 kg's.

Today I've skipped training, I'm trying to rest and see what will happen. Also what could be a factor is my job, I'm almost always on my feet searching for papers, or sitting in uncomfortable chair, and pretty active lifestyle, I rarely rest beside sleeping at night.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
:agree: thats what i told him, but i have to ask where are you getting this information that HGH causes cancer?

and wouldnt using caffeine with eca stack be redundant?
It doesnt cause cancer, but it promotest growth of bone tissue and organs.

Alot of cancers are organ based (lung,liver,bowl, etc). If you have malignant cells (4th stage) that will develop in a tumor, you are greatly boosting this process since those cells multiply faster then normal cells.
It will also promote metastasis, because malignant cells that spread troughout the systhem, will develop more rapid in cancer cells

basically, once you have a tumor, stuff goes fast, the proces to go from a cell with altered dna to a 4th stage cell, can take years.
With growth hormone, that goes ALOT faster.


ah, about the eca, i made a slight error

the "cutting stacker", is cycling T3, clenbuterol and Eca, so the cafeine is in the eca (eca:ephidrine,cafeine,asperine, johimbe)

excellent :tup:

i pay 15 euro's for monohydrate tho :p

xxl nutrition, going under the market price like a real holland company :D

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I'm working out for 7 straight weeks, and using Bill Starr's 5X5 program that Zach posted. It was great until recently when I started to have some awkward feeling in my lover back. It's not really pain, but more like fatigue, it's like I can't hold my back stiffed and straight when I bend (no gay jokes pls :D).

I'm squatting and bench pressing 100 kg's, also my deadlifts are around 90 kg's, barbell rows 72 kg's and clean to press are around 65 kg's.

Today I've skipped training, I'm trying to rest and see what will happen. Also what could be a factor is my job, I'm almost always on my feet searching for papers, or sitting in uncomfortable chair, and pretty active lifestyle, I rarely rest beside sleeping at night.
Ah, i know that feeling, you arent flexible enough. It would be a good idea to work on that, and proceed with deadlift carefully.

also, how is your squat ? a perfect squat requires you to stick your ass out, so your shins arent bending forward. if you cant keep a straight back for deadlift, you'll probably also have a difficulty with that ?

racked deadlifts and back raises are the solution. the first one makes you more flexible, the second strengtened your back.

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Racked deadlift

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQtjbQC4N4

Good example, but he puts the safety very low, and bends trough the knees a bit.

basically, he's training his hamstrings.

what you should do, is do that excercise, but while keeping the legs stiff, so you decend the bar, by sticking your but out.

MOST IMPORTANT : keep your back in the correct shape, so dont do it with a to big weight.

my 1rm deadlift is 250kg, and i'm improving my flexibility with racked deadlifts of 12*100kg. So you should not go over 40/50kg's. weight is irrelevant here, its used to force you down, but it may not have an influence on form


the correct squat

http://youtu.be/HyWf8EoeksA?t=1m54s

Not talking about the position of the bar, a bit lower is better but thats only for very high weights

Its about the legs, watch his shin and knee very carefully, u'll see they arent moving forward.
 

Kidtaf

Senior Member
May 20, 2009
545
:agree: thats what i told him, but i have to ask where are you getting this information that HGH causes cancer?

and wouldnt using caffeine with eca stack be redundant?

Not that it causes cancer but if you have any sort of form of cancer it speeds up the growth which essentially makes it harder to cure
 

Juve_fanatic

Second coolest member!
Apr 5, 2006
7,618
I'm working out for 7 straight weeks, and using Bill Starr's 5X5 program that Zach posted. It was great until recently when I started to have some awkward feeling in my lover back. It's not really pain, but more like fatigue, it's like I can't hold my back stiffed and straight when I bend (no gay jokes pls :D).

I'm squatting and bench pressing 100 kg's, also my deadlifts are around 90 kg's, barbell rows 72 kg's and clean to press are around 65 kg's.

Today I've skipped training, I'm trying to rest and see what will happen. Also what could be a factor is my job, I'm almost always on my feet searching for papers, or sitting in uncomfortable chair, and pretty active lifestyle, I rarely rest beside sleeping at night.
When you say 7 straight weeks you mean, 7 weaks, 7 days/week??

If so, then you are making a big, big mistake. You must ALWAYS leave one day for rest, ALWAYS! It wont also hurt if you even take 2 days rest like i sometimes do.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
When you say 7 straight weeks you mean, 7 weaks, 7 days/week??

If so, then you are making a big, big mistake. You must ALWAYS leave one day for rest, ALWAYS! It wont also hurt if you even take 2 days rest like i sometimes do.
Holy fuck i missed that entirely

Man, bill star is a compound only schedule, and its VERY taxing !

Your need to do 3 trainings per week, cause your muscles take 2 days to recover AND GROW, if you dont let them rest, you will severely block progress

the schedule i gave, clearly displays

monday : 5x5 squat, bench, rows
wednesday :4x5squat(light), 4x5 military press, 4x5 deadlift
fryday : 4x5,1x3x1x8 squat, bench, rows

hence, i said before that i started getting problems each time i did two trainings in a row

OFFCOURSE your back wont tolerate that :D
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
89,026
Damn you Deneb, can't see your chest. But man, your traps are freaking huge.

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I'm working out for 7 straight weeks, and using Bill Starr's 5X5 program that Zach posted. It was great until recently when I started to have some awkward feeling in my lover back. It's not really pain, but more like fatigue, it's like I can't hold my back stiffed and straight when I bend (no gay jokes pls :D).

I'm squatting and bench pressing 100 kg's, also my deadlifts are around 90 kg's, barbell rows 72 kg's and clean to press are around 65 kg's.

Today I've skipped training, I'm trying to rest and see what will happen. Also what could be a factor is my job, I'm almost always on my feet searching for papers, or sitting in uncomfortable chair, and pretty active lifestyle, I rarely rest beside sleeping at night.
:lol2: I know exactly what you mean. That happened for me cause of rows and deep squats.

I can't believe you do 72kg rows, I did that shit yesterday LOL, same weight. :D
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
Ah, i know that feeling, you arent flexible enough. It would be a good idea to work on that, and proceed with deadlift carefully.

also, how is your squat ? a perfect squat requires you to stick your ass out, so your shins arent bending forward. if you cant keep a straight back for deadlift, you'll probably also have a difficulty with that ?

racked deadlifts and back raises are the solution. the first one makes you more flexible, the second strengtened your back.

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Racked deadlift

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQtjbQC4N4

Good example, but he puts the safety very low, and bends trough the knees a bit.

basically, he's training his hamstrings.

what you should do, is do that excercise, but while keeping the legs stiff, so you decend the bar, by sticking your but out.

MOST IMPORTANT : keep your back in the correct shape, so dont do it with a to big weight.

my 1rm deadlift is 250kg, and i'm improving my flexibility with racked deadlifts of 12*100kg. So you should not go over 40/50kg's. weight is irrelevant here, its used to force you down, but it may not have an influence on form


the correct squat

http://youtu.be/HyWf8EoeksA?t=1m54s

Not talking about the position of the bar, a bit lower is better but thats only for very high weights

Its about the legs, watch his shin and knee very carefully, u'll see they arent moving forward.
Tnx mate, you are the best! I will definitely try that, but first I'm gonna take the rest till Monday.

When you say 7 straight weeks you mean, 7 weaks, 7 days/week??

If so, then you are making a big, big mistake. You must ALWAYS leave one day for rest, ALWAYS! It wont also hurt if you even take 2 days rest like i sometimes do.
Of course it's not seven days per week, I'm not newbie :D I'm working out 3 time per week.

Damn you Deneb, can't see your chest. But man, your traps are freaking huge.

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:lol2: I know exactly what you mean. That happened for me cause of rows and deep squats.

I can't believe you do 72kg rows, I did that shit yesterday LOL, same weight. :D
Yeah, rows are killer. Sometimes I just feel like I can't hold my back in proper form, even though that weight is not so big. Actually I think I can lift way more than that but I don't want to risk it.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
I'm stacking up miles and this makes me happy, I have to lose some weight though and I really need to go back to lifting to strengthen at least my calves. With my recent fore-foot stride I am starting to feel a slight pain in my calves while running and it becomes a little more intense when I start to cool down. My food intake is very wrong too but I know that in a month this will be fixed.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
if you have acces to a barball(wide one) and some weights, you can do calf raises, in long sets, explosive lift, slow descend. I heat thats good for runners. sets of like 15/25, but dont over do them cause its possible the calf will be hurting as fuck the days after from acidity.

for me at least, ur a trained runner so it should be far less painfull i think.

I also heard ropeskipping works. its a thing they let young football and basketball players do to jump higher and strenghten calves, but i've seen athletics sporters also do it for warming up calfs, or train them
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
I do a lot of calve raises with a kettle bell, I hold the kettle bell arms long between my legs.

Ropeskipping I can never do more than 2 jumps even if my life depended on it.

What I need is squats and what I really need is lunges.
 

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