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How many Goals will Pipita score this season in all comp?

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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,990
For the league I'm satisfied actually, I wouldn't even care if we lose it for next 5 season if I get next 5 cl titles, I want us to monopolize the CL the same way we monopolize the scudetto
Give him the chances and im sure he will score.

He needs chances and our support. If he is set with the right mindset, he can ve unstoppable. But the rest of the team also needs to deliver.

Until that happens, we will never know his true performance in juventus.
 

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Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,262
Give him the chances and im sure he will score.

He needs chances and our support. If he is set with the right mindset, he can ve unstoppable. But the rest of the team also needs to deliver.

Until that happens, we will never know his true performance in juventus.
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zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
There is too much black/white thinking. Like he's either a choker, or a great striker, which is bulshit.

Is Higgy a worldclass striker? Absolutely.
Would we have won the league without him? Probable not.
Does he tend to choke on the big stage? He sure does. How can one still deny that is beyond me.
last seasons team minus Higgy - might be true. last seasons team minus Higgy, plus a CM and CF for the 90M? we probably win the treble
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
64,757
It's a simplification. What is "the big stage"? If it's the big finals he played, then he sure failed to score, and even played bad, in all 4 big finals. Four matches is not too little to make a judgement, so it's indeed hard to argue when someone says that Higuain failed (or call it choke) in the biggest 4 matches of his career.
Sure, those 4 failures could also be a coincidence and might not guarantee the choker tag. Messi, for example, also lost and failed to score or do anything in 3 of Higuain's 4 finals and he also didn't score in any of the last 4 big finals he played. But Messi has something to show from the big finals he played in 2009 and 2011 and he's not getting the choker tag.
If not just the finals, then what does "the big stage" consists of? Higuain won us the semifinals in CL this year by scoring that brace in Monaco. He also scored a brace in Copa America's semifinals. Four goals in five semifinal matches on the big stage. He's not a semifinal choker then?
Are the quarterfinals of the big tournaments "the big stage"? He won the quarterfinals for Argentina in the last world cup, by beating Belgium 1:0 with his goal. He also scored 2 goals in the 2 Copa America quarterfinal matches he played.
What else is a big stage? He didn't score tons of goals in the CL? Why would a match against, say, Molme in the group stages count for more than a Coppa Italia semifinal against Napoli where he scores 3 goals, or when he wins you the matches against Roma and Napoli in serie A?

You have the finals, and that's a valid argument, although, as with the Messi case in his last 4 finals, it can be argued in a way. It's mostly, or almost exclusively, Higuain's price tag that makes him the scapegoat for the Juve fans.
Lucky for Buffon that we bought him long time ago and his price tag is forgotten. 7 conceded goals in the last 2 CL finals, 4 conceded goals in the last Euro final, and being beaten by Dida in the penalty shootout of the 2003 final would call for some juicy tags.
Losing a final/not scoring in a final doesn't automatically make you a choker, but missing clear cut chances does.
And no one did it as consitently as Higuain over the last years.

As for the price tag argument i disagree. The choker tag has been around since like forever, it didn't suddenly pop up out of nowhere after us splashing €90m on him. Journos have been questioning us for spending €90m on a choker even before he touched the ball for us.

I also don't get the Buffon part. What does conceding goals have to do with choking? How many of the goals we conceded were caused by an actual mistake of Gigi? Not to mention penalty shootouts aren't a good indicator for how good a goalie is, since they are (up to a certain point) down to luck, not only skill.
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
5,143
For the league I'm satisfied actually, I wouldn't even care if we lose it for next 5 season if I get next 5 cl titles, I want us to monopolize the CL the same way we monopolize the scudetto
How gracious of you to accept 5 Champions League titles instead of 5 League titles.

I'm sure nobody else around here would go for that.

:p
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,025
Losing a final/not scoring in a final doesn't automatically make you a choker, but missing clear cut chances does.
And no one did it as consitently as Higuain over the last years.
But Messi did that too. 11 shots in the last 4 finals from 2014 to 2016. All missed. Zero assists, zero created chances. Missed a penalty in the 2016 Copa America final. Why do we emphasize Higuain? Messi is the man from whom you expect to score goals and create goals. He failed in 4 straight finals. The man who scores 50-60 goals a season.

As for the price tag argument i disagree. The choker tag has been around since like forever, it didn't suddenly pop up out of nowhere after us splashing €90m on him. Journos have been questioning us for spending €90m on a choker even before he touched the ball for us.
It's not from "like forever". It's from 2014 when Argentina fans were in our shoes and they needed a scapegoat for the defeat in the final. They chose the guy who missed the best chance. After that all eyes were on him, not on Messi or Aguero, who did just as bad as he did. And the Argie fans, from what I hear, can really put pressure on you. Messi was protected, Higuain was sacrificed, while both were just as guilty.
I mean, what do we, Juve fans, blame Higuain for? He should get more credit for our serie A and Coppa Italia wins than anyone else, and he shouldn't get less credit for our CL final road than anyone else. What is he guilty of to be singled out? Isn't the price tag the problem? If it isn't, what is Higuain guilty of that Dybala isn't?


I also don't get the Buffon part. What does conceding goals have to do with choking? How many of the goals we conceded were caused by an actual mistake of Gigi? Not to mention penalty shootouts aren't a good indicator for how good a goalie is, since they are (up to a certain point) down to luck, not only skill.
Singling Higuain out is the same as singling Buffon out. Makes no sense in both cases.

Anyway, are we talking about finals or important matches? Up there you said he chokes on the big stage and I agreed that he failed in the 4 finals. Just like Buffon in the last three, where he didn't save shit and conceded 11 goals.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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But Messi did that too. 11 shots in the last 4 finals from 2014 to 2016. All missed. Zero assists, zero created chances. Missed a penalty in the 2016 Copa America final. Why do we emphasize Higuain? Messi is the man from whom you expect to score goals and create goals. He failed in 4 straight finals. The man who scores 50-60 goals a season.


It's not from "like forever". It's from 2014 when Argentina fans were in our shoes and they needed a scapegoat for the defeat in the final. They chose the guy who missed the best chance. After that all eyes were on him, not on Messi or Aguero, who did just as bad as he did. And the Argie fans, from what I hear, can really put pressure on you. Messi was protected, Higuain was sacrificed, while both were just as guilty.
I mean, what do we, Juve fans, blame Higuain for? He should get more credit for our serie A and Coppa Italia wins than anyone else, and he shouldn't get less credit for our CL final road than anyone else. What is he guilty of to be singled out? Isn't the price tag the problem? If it isn't, what is Higuain guilty of that Dybala isn't?



Singling Higuain out is the same as singling Buffon out. Makes no sense in both cases.

Anyway, are we talking about finals or important matches? Up there you said he chokes on the big stage and I agreed that he failed in the 4 finals. Just like Buffon in the last three, where he didn't save shit and conceded 11 goals.
Yes, now look at Higgy's and Messi's stats in CL knockout games. There is no comparison. It's not just about finals.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Cavani has 5 goals in 19 European knockout matches, between CL and EL. 0 goals in 6 CL QF matches. Hardly a sterling record. :lol2:

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The only strikers clearly ahead of Higgy are Suarez and Lewandowski.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,933
Cavani has 5 goals in 19 European knockout matches, between CL and EL. 0 goals in 6 CL QF matches. Hardly a sterling record. :lol2:
Still WAY better than Higuain when you look at their overall performance in CL.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/cava...ague-scorers-after/1stez7lqiy34g1a5lwdik3nc8x

Edit: Cavani has 25 goals in 44 apps in CL. Can you remind me Higuain's stats? :D

He actually shows up in the top 50 scorers in CL of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...pions_League_top_scorers#All-time_top_scorers
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
all of Argentina strikers turn into chokers as soon as they put on a blue/white shirt. but Higgy proved on a club level why hes been labeled as choker all these years. a case can be made about Aguero too
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Still WAY better than Higuain when you look at their overall performance in CL.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/cava...ague-scorers-after/1stez7lqiy34g1a5lwdik3nc8x
And Cavani has 2 goals in 19 matches in World Cup or Copa America for Uruguay. 1 was a penalty.

2 in 19. :lol:

Higuain on the other hand has scored 12 goals in World cup (5) or Copa America (7) action. Including winning goals in two WC knockout matches.

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Regardless, Higgy and Cavani are two world class strikers who are also massive chokers.

It sucks for us that he unfortunately doesn't seem likely to overcome it.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
And Cavani has 2 goals in 19 matches in World Cup or Copa America for Uruguay. 1 was a penalty.

2 in 19. :lol:

Higuain on the other hand has scored 12 goals in World cup (5) or Copa America (7) action. Including winning goals in two WC knockout matches.
one plays for Uruguay, the other for the best NT in the world offensively for years. not a fair comparison
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,262
all of Argentina strikers turn into chokers as soon as they put on a blue/white shirt. but Higgy proved on a club level why hes been labeled as choker all these years. a case can be made about Aguero too
Aguero is such a disapointment...could've been a legendary player but he's hardly on the same level as the likes of RvP, Henry, Sanchez, Van Nistelrooy or even Rooney. He's a step or two behind the best stikers that the EPL had in the last 10-15.
 

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