Global Warming Discussion (9 Viewers)

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Have you tried them? Weird.
Yeah I have. I quite like them lmao.
I love them for smoothies and shakes. That’s about it.

Come to think of it, not sure what else I’d use a straw for.

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No, I think u must be stupid to believe that 1 percent of scientists who don't go with a flow are certainly wrong.

Once again for you add DAiDEViL, I except climate change is real (I don't claim it's hoax) but I don't believe it is 100% man caused as elite is trying to sell it.
U Picciriddu explained it nicely in above posts, I completely agree with that.
Very few claim that it is “100% man caused”. Most are saying that humans are a primary driver of this current cycle of climate change. And the science showing the effects of greenhouse gases and other emissions is pretty robust.
 

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Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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I love them for smoothies and shakes. That’s about it.

Come to think of it, not sure what else I’d use a straw for.

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Very few claim that it is “100% man caused”. Most are saying that humans are a primary driver of this current cycle of climate change. And the science showing the effects of greenhouse gases and other emissions is pretty robust.
That’s literally the two things I use them for as well haha.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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i too hate it when the elites conspire with governments to force stuff on us. like those elites and government mandating all cars have seat belts and airbags so i can survive a car crash. how dare they try and sell me on things to save my life and life of others? what are these elites trying to sell by making me survive?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,161
There was time when "rEal sCieNTiSts", or 99% of them claimed that earth was center of the universe. Anyone who was not agreeing was burned alive. This doesn't mean they were right.
I totally agree that climate is changing, it was happening during all history of mankind even when there was no industry to effect it. What bothers me is narrative of the elite and their shameless propaganda to use it to gain money, power and control. Until one-two years ago it was "global warming", when that bubble burst, they changed it to "climate change".
It comes to me as no surprise that you are among climate change deniers. Earth is flat, vaccines are bad, etc.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I love them for smoothies and shakes. That’s about it.

Come to think of it, not sure what else I’d use a straw for.

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Very few claim that it is “100% man caused”. Most are saying that humans are a primary driver of this current cycle of climate change. And the science showing the effects of greenhouse gases and other emissions is pretty robust.
Shouldn't we hope it's man made?

Becaude then we have a chance.

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Jun 16, 2020
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I do agree with your overall sentiment- there’s a lot more to the environment outside of climate change such as ocean plastics, toxic pollutants, deforestation, soil and water quality etc.
Some of those projects are really amazing. I’ve been following The Ocean Cleanup since the early days, the plastic soups in the ocean are horrible. The one in the Great Ocean is bigger than France. I mean can you imagine that, a plastic soup bigger than France.

Reforestation projects are amazing aswel. China has been doing a great job fighting desertification, while in Africa they’re building the ‘green wall’ for years now. Other smaller projects on a more local level are great aswel. There have been tests to restore the oyster banks in the North Sea, with 3D printed stones with holes where oysters will settle. Apparently once it was full here with oysters but due to fishing their habitat just got destroyed.
 

Dino_mk

Senior Member
Sep 5, 2007
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It comes to me as no surprise that you are among climate change deniers. Earth is flat, vaccines are bad, etc.
Not surprised also about your uncapabability to read and understand.
Here it is one more time, just for "special" people like you:
I know climate is changing but it's not 100% man made. Climate was having drastic changes in periods when there was no industry to cause it.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
Not surprised also about your uncapabability to read and understand.
Here it is one more time, just for "special" people like you:
I know climate is changing but it's not 100% man made. Climate was having drastic changes in periods when there was no industry to cause it.
can you respond to my earlier request. you said that scientists claimed plastic straws in oceans are causing climate change. i asked you to provide three sources.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,161
Not surprised also about your uncapabability to read and understand.
Here it is one more time, just for "special" people like you:
I know climate is changing but it's not 100% man made. Climate was having drastic changes in periods when there was no industry to cause it.
Majority of scientists claim that climate change is primarily driven by CO2 emission. However, you choose to believe and quote 1% that denies our influence. Yes, climate changed before but not as much in such a short period of time.
 

Dino_mk

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Sep 5, 2007
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Climate isn't changing in the same way it has previously. Over the past two centuries warming has risen much faster than average, with studies estimating it to be more than 10x faster than the transition out of the last ice age (which are Earth's fastest known natural climate change) which saw an average of 1°C increase every 1000 years, while we're on course to hit 1.5°C in just 100. This rapid increase in such a relatively short time period cannot be accounted for by natural factors including amount of solar activity, planetary orbit and cycle, or CO2 from natural sources, which lead to changes over a timescale of thousands of years. It can however be explained by the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from human activity over this time, and we can tell how much of this CO2 is from things like burning fossil fuels because the resulting carbon isotopes have a distinct fingerprint.
There isn't rapid increase of CO2 in the atmosphere, in contrary CO2 is steadily declining in last 140 milion years. As a planet we are dangerously close to bottom survival threshold for vegetation that means if level of CO2 drops little bit more there will be less food for every living thing on this planet.
I can't understand why this isn't widely recognised and talked about. Why there is so much agenda for lowering CO2 emissions from common folks when that isn't the main problem.
I can't believe there's one sane person who is against reduction of plastic and chemical waste which is polluting our environment but this agenda should be very much distinguished from CO2 agenda. They must not be pushed on the backs of common people as parts of the same problem.
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Jun 16, 2020
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Climate isn't changing in the same way it has previously. Over the past two centuries warming has risen much faster than average, with studies estimating it to be more than 10x faster than the transition out of the last ice age (which are Earth's fastest known natural climate change) which saw an average of 1°C increase every 1000 years, while we're on course to hit 1.5°C in just 100. This rapid increase in such a relatively short time period cannot be accounted for by natural factors including amount of solar activity, planetary orbit and cycle, or CO2 from natural sources, which lead to changes over a timescale of thousands of years. It can however be explained by the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from human activity over this time, and we can tell how much of this CO2 is from things like burning fossil fuels because the resulting carbon isotopes have a distinct fingerprint.
Isn’t this very debatable, warming went very fast after the Younger Dryas. On local levels such as Greenland up to 10 degrees celcius in a decade, although the northern hemisphere was effected a lot more by warming than the southern hemisphere.

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Isn’t this very debatable, warming went very fast after the Younger Dryas. On local levels such as Greenland up to 10 degrees celcius in a decade, although the northern hemisphere was effected a lot more by warming than the southern hemisphere.

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Think there needs to be a distinction made between natural severe and sudden cyclical climate change that can and will happen in periods of thousands of years, and the scientific concensus that the driving factor of the current issue is anthropogenic.

For example ozone depletion is partly caused by natural phenomena, but it's clear that human causal and preventative action is the biggest factor in how it is managed. It's just easier for us to focus on a hole in a fixed spot and fear being melted by the sun than it us to see the bigger impact of what a rise in a few degrees means over a few decades.
 

Dino_mk

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Sep 5, 2007
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Think there needs to be a distinction made between natural severe and sudden cyclical climate change that can and will happen in periods of thousands of years, and the scientific concensus that the driving factor of the current issue is anthropogenic.

For example ozone depletion is partly caused by natural phenomena, but it's clear that human causal and preventative action is the biggest factor in how it is managed. It's just easier for us to focus on a hole in a fixed spot and fear being melted by the sun than it us to see the bigger impact of what a rise in a few degrees means over a few decades.
It's not corect that severe climate changes only occur in thousands of years. For example there is well documented period in medieval Europe where mini ice age occurred causing failure of crops and food production for couple of years followed by great hunger all over the continent.

And that "scientific consensus" is bullshit promoted by politicians, journalists, government authorities and influencers-environmentalists. There are more than two thousands scientists who oppose the reasons or if climate change should be called crisis.

I don't claim any of the sides is absolutely right or wrong. I just want to have opposite arguments and discussion.
Somehow closing the cow farms in Nederland, Denmark, UK etc. doesn't appear to me like right solution for stopping the climate change!
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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And that "scientific consensus" is bullshit promoted by politicians, journalists, government authorities and influencers-environmentalists.
Ok, I thought it might be. I guess YouTube experts and conspiracist sites sound more attractive when the reality isn't very nice and cause people an amount of inconvenience.
 

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