Global Financial Crisis (12 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

That's not what I asked man,

The point is there is actually a real small segment that can't afford healthcare those should be helped. In the US there are many who let the government pay for everything and then buy their bling with that money .when I was om unemployment two years ago you had to see how many came with expensive purses or iphone while coming to get there aid.

 

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[IrishZebra]

You're incorrectly assuming that economics and society are balanced to an extent that makes fair competition between those born into something and those born with nothing even remotely possible. I'm sure your parents worked very hard to provide you with the tools and opportunities that made you who you are today. Some people aren't so lucky, through no fault of their own and yet you would condemn them as easily as you would the social parasites. Social Parasites and the poor may overlap but they are not synonyms Whatever you have done to the least of these, you have done to your Lord.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I'm reading that Obama said at Michigan that the reasons for the current economic crisis in US are the European debts, Arab revolutions and the nuclear catastrophe in Japan. Did he really say that?

Sure, blame the others lol.

Only idiots would believe that anyway. Just by looking at the US debt everything is pretty much clear.

 

[IrishZebra]

Funny nobody is mentioning the military costs elephant that's in the room, 1.2 Trillion over the past 10 years.

Being a bully is apparently very costly.

 

[Dostoevsky]

And that trillion is just a little puzzle.

But yea, their military service if looked that way equals Italy's overall debt that's described as disastrous.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You're incorrectly assuming that economics and society are balanced to an extent that makes fair competition between those born into something and those born with nothing even remotely possible. I'm sure your parents worked very hard to provide you with the tools and opportunities that made you who you are today. Some people aren't so lucky, through no fault of their own and yet you would condemn them as easily as you would the social parasites. Social Parasites and the poor may overlap but they are not synonyms Whatever you have done to the least of these, you have done to your Lord.

My father came here without knowing how to speak the language and myself and my mother in tow. 100 dollars in his pocket and he forced himself to learn a new trade( he was a stone mason in italy) a new language and a new environment. He never asked for a hand out from anyone let alone the governement. There was never press two for italian nor free medical for italian immigrants. He worked his ass off to make sure we ate and had a roof over our heads. Never rich never ahead but we never had the government pay for a thing. He and we have always paid for our insurance and everything else. We are never mad at the rich nor blame them. We also never had or have the entitlement mentality that we are owed anything. We work 70+ hours a week to support our lives. That's the problem with the new entitlement mentality, no one wants to work but they want everything handed to them

 

[IrishZebra]

I understand where you're coming from especially with regard to your father, my father also worked 70 hour weeks from the bottom to the top of his job. Did he ask for anything? no, but if he was sick, the state would make him better or his wife better or his sons better, he didn't have to struggle to ensure that his family had the right to live and be secure, neither did the leeches. The flaws are with the system not the social theory behind it. And you have no idea of entitlement mentality,try living in Ireland and then you'll understand what social protection gone insane is. Single Mother? here' $18000 a year, a free house and we'll pay your bills, don't worry, we'll pay for your child's schooling and healthcare too with no effort to get you to take personal responsibility for spreading your legs.

The american system is amateurish compared to what we have over here, but if you spent some time here, you would begin to understand the rationale behind socialised healthcare.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I understand where you're coming from especially with regard to your father, my father also worked 70 hour weeks from the bottom to the top of his job. Did he ask for anything? no, but if he was sick, the state would make him better or his wife better or his sons better, he didn't have to struggle to ensure that his family had the right to live and be secure, neither did the leeches. The flaws are with the system not the social theory behind it. And you have no idea of entitlement mentality,try living in Ireland and then you'll understand what social protection gone insane is. Single Mother? here' $18000 a year, a free house and we'll pay your bills, don't worry, we'll pay for your child's schooling and healthcare too with no effort to get you to take personal responsibility for spreading your legs.

The american system is amateurish compared to what we have over here, but if you spent some time here, you would begin to understand the rationale behind socialised healthcare.

Yes because humans are corruptible. Communism in theory is great but in practice is a failure

 

[IrishZebra]

So is your brand of pseudo-Capitalist Self Reliance

And it's not fucking Communism , you sound like a 1950s PSA

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So is your brand of pseudo-Capitalist Self Reliance

And it's not fucking Communism , you sound like a 1950s PSA

I wasn't saying what you are talking about is communism! I was saying that in principle communism is excellent in practice its a fail. You can say capitalism is a failure but the US is still the biggest economy and beat country in the world. This is why people move here and not to europe to make a living.

 

[IrishZebra]

And it got this through market interference and geopolitical bullying and the EU27 has a bigger economic base built out of Social Capitalism

USA the best? I would completely disagree.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

And it got this through market interference and geopolitical bullying

USA the best? I would completely disagree.

Listen man you can dissagree all you like but the world is buying our stock or treasuries. People are still coming here more than any other country on the planet so you can dissagree all you like

 

[IrishZebra]

I don't think you want to start going down the Treasury bonds route, especially these days...

Best surely means quality of life no, not just numbers? I mean Canada gets more emmigrants per 100,000of population iirc, as does australia

here's a quality of life table

1 Canada 8.333
2 Canada 8.068
3 Canada 8.051
4 Canada 8.015
5 Sweden 7.937
6 Australia 7.925
7 Iceland 7.911
8 Italy 7.810
9 Denmark 7.797
10 Spain 7.727
11 Singapore 7.719
12 Finland 7.618
13 United States 7.615


Some rankings of cities
2010 Rank City Country Index 2010
1 Vienna Austria 108.6
2 Zurich Switzerland 108.0
3 Geneva Switzerland 107.9
4 Auckland New Zealand 107.4
4 Vancouver Canada 107.4
6 Düsseldorf Germany 107.2
7 Frankfurt Germany 107.0
7 Munich Germany 107.0
9 Bern Switzerland 106.5
9 Sydney Australia 106.3
11 Copenhagen Denmark 106.2
12 Wellington New Zealand 105.9
13 Amsterdam Netherlands 105.7
14 Ottawa Canada 105.5
15 Brussels Belgium 105.4
16 Toronto Canada 105.3
17 Berlin Germany 105.0
18 Melbourne Australia 104.8
19 Luxembourg Luxembourg 104.6
20 Stockholm Sweden 104.5
21 Perth Australia 104.2
21 Montreal Canada 104.2
23 Hamburg Germany 104.1
24 Nürnberg Germany 103.9
24 Oslo Norway 103.9
26 Canberra Australia 103.6
27 Dublin Ireland 103.6
28 Calgary Canada 103.5
28 Singapore Singapore 103.5
30 Stuttgart Germany 103.3
31 Honolulu United States 103.1

UNDP rankings of best places to live (2010)
Norway
Australia
New Zealand
United States
Ireland


I know I can disagree all I like but it seems that the social science disagrees also.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I don't think you want to start going down the Treasury bonds route, especially these days...

Best surely means quality of life no, not just numbers? I mean Canada gets more emmigrants per 100,000of population iirc, as does australia

here's a quality of life table

1 Canada 8.333
2 Canada 8.068
3 Canada 8.051
4 Canada 8.015
5 Sweden 7.937
6 Australia 7.925
7 Iceland 7.911
8 Italy 7.810
9 Denmark 7.797
10 Spain 7.727
11 Singapore 7.719
12 Finland 7.618
13 United States 7.615


Some rankings of cities
2010 Rank City Country Index 2010
1 Vienna Austria 108.6
2 Zurich Switzerland 108.0
3 Geneva Switzerland 107.9
4 Auckland New Zealand 107.4
4 Vancouver Canada 107.4
6 Düsseldorf Germany 107.2
7 Frankfurt Germany 107.0
7 Munich Germany 107.0
9 Bern Switzerland 106.5
9 Sydney Australia 106.3
11 Copenhagen Denmark 106.2
12 Wellington New Zealand 105.9
13 Amsterdam Netherlands 105.7
14 Ottawa Canada 105.5
15 Brussels Belgium 105.4
16 Toronto Canada 105.3
17 Berlin Germany 105.0
18 Melbourne Australia 104.8
19 Luxembourg Luxembourg 104.6
20 Stockholm Sweden 104.5
21 Perth Australia 104.2
21 Montreal Canada 104.2
23 Hamburg Germany 104.1
24 Nürnberg Germany 103.9
24 Oslo Norway 103.9
26 Canberra Australia 103.6
27 Dublin Ireland 103.6
28 Calgary Canada 103.5
28 Singapore Singapore 103.5
30 Stuttgart Germany 103.3
31 Honolulu United States 103.1

UNDP rankings of best places to live (2010)
Norway
Australia
New Zealand
United States
Ireland


I know I can disagree all I like but it seems that the social science disagrees also.

Don't get me wrong I don't believe the quality of life here is the best could it be better yes, but the opportunity that exists in this country is second to none. No one has a better chance from nothing to something anywhere else on the planet no matter what the numbers show

 

[Cheesio]

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Cheese your video isn't telling me anything I do not already know. I was against raising the debt ceiling! I want dramatic cuts in all entitlement programs! Its people like irish zebra who talk if the need for social programs like nationalized health care etc etc. The US can not afford those entitlements and especially can not afford giving free rides to illegals

 

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Don't get me wrong I don't believe the quality of life here is the best could it be better yes, but the opportunity that exists in this country is second to none. No one has a better chance from nothing to something anywhere else on the planet no matter what the numbers show

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Cheese your video isn't telling me anything I do not already know. I was against raising the debt ceiling! I want dramatic cuts in all entitlement programs! Its people like irish zebra who talk if the need for social programs like nationalized health care etc etc. The US can not afford those entitlements and especially can not afford giving free rides to illegals

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[Cheesio]

That video isn't directed to anyone, I just watched and find it interesting and very simple so i thought i post it here if anyone is interested.
I don't know what IZ told you or what you are telling him, I didn't reat this thread before.

 

[Cheesio]

Double post.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Cheese your video isn't telling me anything I do not already know. I was against raising the debt ceiling! I want dramatic cuts in all entitlement programs! Its people like irish zebra who talk if the need for social programs like nationalized health care etc etc. The US can not afford those entitlements and especially can not afford giving free rides to illegals

Wow, chill. Did you expect a youtube video to show you the path out of this mess? Actually, if you think it's so easy go publish some paper, you might get a Nobel prize because I think you'd be the only one.

This video is just showing the mess we're currently in and even if you're aware of it, majority isn't, and they have no idea what's going on. It's a good video, it tells pretty much everything in only 5 minutes.