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Raz

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EU fails, many people fail to realize that entering EU won't solve any problems for smaller countries. It's not a magic wand by all means.
It's not supposed to be a magic wand, it's only good for the big guys who will have new markets to fill up.
 
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    An EMF would be able to reduce borrowing costs for countries in trouble. Essentialy Germany can keep the low rate and the PIIGS get a significantly lower, although still at least triple, the german rate.
    They would never do that. EMF has done more harm than anything and has destroyed many countries that were tipped to be 'revived' with their plans and politics. Just a couple in Balkan for instance.
     

    IrishZebra

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    :wth:

    lol, really Einstein? I was bashing EU and it's problems that can cause even bigger problem for their currency aka euro.
    So giving countries 70Billion euro in structural funds cause problems? I think you have confused EU profligacy with poor domestic management.


    They would never do that. EMF has done more harm than anything and has destroyed many countries that were tipped to be 'revived' with their plans and politics. Just a couple in Balkan for instance.
    An EMF doesn't exist...yet.
     
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    Dostoevsky

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    So giving countries 70Billion euro in structural funds cause problems? I think you have confused EU profligacy with poor domestic management.
    So majority of small countries have poor domestic management, hence the worse state than they had before entering the EU?

    How come they were doing great before joining the EU? And it would make sense if it was one country, but no, but are quite a few that struggle way more than before they went in.
     

    IrishZebra

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    So majority of small countries have poor domestic management, hence the worse state than they had before entering the EU?

    How come they were doing great before joining the EU? And it would make sense if it was one country, but no, but are quite a few that struggle way more than before they went in.
    Do you have any evidence of this, or that it's tied to the EU in any way shape or form?
     

    IrishZebra

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    well if the eu situations affect all the eu countries, the swiss franc will get affected too right? not now, but in time..months
    It might, but I can't see the Euro failing very low and continuing to function. If it goes, the franc could rocket up or sink, it's too soon to tell.
     
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    Do you have any evidence of this, or that it's tied to the EU in any way shape or form?
    Yes.

    Romania's GDP is lower in 2011 compared to 2007 when they entered the EU. Bulgaria does have higher (only 1%), so basically over the past 4 years there were no improvement for their countries standard whatsoever. There was no real growth in any case, while unemployment rate is just as high. Same can be said about Estonia (3% lower, which is huge), Hungary (2% lower), Poland, Slovenia (2% lower) Latvia (1.8% lower) and Lithuania (2.3% lower). Majority of the new countries within EU did have a much bigger growth before the joined the EU, which is only a fact. It does have to do something with economic crisis that has appeared in 2007 but lets not forget that the hardest knockdown is just now, when we're seeing Portugal, Spain and Italy in trouble, it's this and the next year that will hurt Europe.
     

    IrishZebra

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    Since when did the EU always control budgetary policy in member-states!?

    Governments are responsible for creating their own growth, you're not making any sense whatsoever.
     
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    Since when did the EU always control budgetary policy in member-states!?

    Governments are responsible for creating their own growth, you're not making any sense whatsoever.
    This is what I said

    EU fails, many people fail to realize that entering EU won't solve any problems for smaller countries. It's not a magic wand by all means.

    The same government were doing great before they joined the EU. So what happened?
     

    IrishZebra

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    The same government were doing great before they joined the EU. So what happened?
    That is a laughable attempt at establishing a causal link. Again, where is your evidence that highlights the negative impact of eu membership outside of what is the fault of a country's government. Show me the links between sectors pre and post EU along with government and macreconomic data to asses the overall financial climate.

    Unless you can do that, what you're saying holds about as much water as a Serbian dam in the late ninties
     
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    Dostoevsky

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    Not even Boris Tadic can provide you those evidence :)

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    Belex (Serbia) down 7%.

    Btw such a big mess was made when Swiss France went up. It made an incredible jump since 2007, especially since March this year, it's incredible. On the other hand, those who took a credit based on their value are in deep shit now, as they have to return two times more.

    It's advised to sell it now and get some other currency, Yen or something.
     

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