Giuseppe Marotta (129 Viewers)

[zizinho]

I am completely ok with somebody defending Beppe in a justified, logical manner, but to say we are still in the running for the title and won't win it by 20-30 points like every year, just absolutely has to take the cake. And mind you i would be overjoyed to be stuffed with all the insults possible for being a pessimist if that came to light. But to dismiss and ignore the reality of our present situation and not accept the core reasons behind it, is just the sad state of Juve/Beppe fans on this forum. I wonder what it will take for some to accept the mistakes we have made. Im guessing even if we got relegated, people will be like at least Beppe took Mandzukic, Buffon and Khedira and their 4.5m salaries off our books. Not to forget, even get Rugani more playing time in the process.

i think you focus too much on the 20-30 points part, which is just a random number i put up. the point was, we obviously wont win the scudetto as comfortably as previous years, but also the title race is far from over and we are definitively not out of it. we are 9 pts behind 1st place after 12 games. there is still 26 games to go, it surprises me that you as someone who has been on this forum for 12 years and supports the club for even longer probably think we are already done for. we are the strongest team in the league, we have a lot of new faces, had some problems at the beginning, but once the team finds its rhythm and some key players like Pogba or Morata catch form, i dont think you will find this funny then.

also, why you try to bring Marotta into this when its about Allegri and the team i have no idea...

anyway, im done with this topic and you can proceed laughing all day if you want

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If the team was in dire need of restructure, why was the management willing to spend close to 30m or exactly 30m on Iturbe alone....ITURBE?! A player Conte clearly didn't want, and neither did the club, because the deal was done and then dropped once Conte left. If the team was in need of restructure, why sign a 33 year old LB? In hindsight, great move, but it contradicts the very essence of a restructuring job. Because it was an opportunity before anything else. Sadly, Morata was an opportunity too...and that means like Evra, he may not be here next season if Madrid choose to buy him back or he opts out of a project that doesn't offer him CL. So Evra gone. Morata maybe gone. That much for restructure.

As for Allegri, while you acknowledge that that there is a likelihood he asked for an AM, but the price isn't right. If the price isn't right, you don't have to sell what you already have in that case. And if the price isn't right, then that means you can't afford an AM, the player wanted most by your manager, and if you can't afford the player wanted most by your manager, you don't go out and buy a 5th choice forward for 18m, and a shiny new LB for 26m, that too exactly one year after you signed a 33 year old LB as part of your restructuring project.

lol

Iturbe deal fails

day after that (i think it was less than a day even, few hours), Conte leaves

 

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[Vlad]

If the team was in dire need of restructure, why was the management willing to spend close to 30m or exactly 30m on Iturbe alone....ITURBE?! A player Conte clearly didn't want, and neither did the club, because the deal was done and then dropped once Conte left. If the team was in need of restructure, why sign a 33 year old LB? In hindsight, great move, but it contradicts the very essence of a restructuring job. Because it was an opportunity before anything else. Sadly, Morata was an opportunity too...and that means like Evra, he may not be here next season if Madrid choose to buy him back or he opts out of a project that doesn't offer him CL. So Evra gone. Morata maybe gone. That much for restructure.

Iturbe was final straw and when we failed to bring him, the price was ludicrous, Conte left. Clear connection. Why the fuck would we spend 30m on a player that nobody wanted, neither coach nor mgt? Puzzling.

As for Allegri, while you acknowledge that that there is a likelihood he asked for an AM, but the price isn't right. If the price isn't right, you don't have to sell what you already have in that case. And if the price isn't right, then that means you can't afford an AM, the player wanted most by your manager, and if you can't afford the player wanted most by your manager, you don't go out and buy a 5th choice forward for 18m, and a shiny new LB for 26m, that too exactly one year after you signed a 33 year old LB as part of your restructuring project.

I don't like Zaza and don't agree with this deal, but it wasn't the reason for not bringing AM. Signing Sandro was necessary, he's the future pillar of the club's defense. He's insanely talented LB and there aren't many like him around. The biggest mistake last summer was letting Vidal leave without securing replacement. Terrible.

Never said I agreed with every move, but let's not pretend like we're run by incompetent morons, with no sense of running the club at this level.

 

[baggio]

i think you focus too much on the 20-30 points part, which is just a random number i put up. the point was, we obviously wont win the scudetto as comfortably as previous years, but also the title race is far from over and we are definitively not out of it. we are 9 pts behind 1st place after 12 games. there is still 26 games to go, it surprises me that you as someone who has been on this forum for 12 years and supports the club for even longer probably think we are already done for. we are the strongest team in the league, we have a lot of new faces, had some problems at the beginning, but once the team finds its rhythm and some key players like Pogba or Morata catch form, i dont think you will find this funny then.

also, why you try to bring Marotta into this when its about Allegri and the team i have no idea...

anyway, im done with this topic and you can proceed laughing all day if you want

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lol

Iturbe deal fails

day after that (i think it was less than a day even, few hours), Conte leaves

Don't take it personally. Your post is not in isolation here to some that i see in abject defense of the mistakes we made on the mercato. I am not laughing at the numbers either. It's not the 20-30 point lead that I'm talking about, it is the the thought or the arrogance that we have as fans to think that we our still title contenders. You are right, i have been on this forum a long time, and have been a Juve fan, even longer than that, and from experience i can tell you, seasons like this have a very low likelihood of success. Poor planning is a huge detriment when a club aims for success at the highest level. players are human beings, they have psychological problems, confidence issues, motivational issues, in addition to having to adapt to a new environment, and especially 10 new players adapting to an environment where three of the biggest players on the world stage just exited, can bring a huge amount of pressure in itself. Its not easy for a coach to find a winning formula overnight, especially not when its not the given coach's primary skill set to be a man manager either. These things take time, and the team may gel as the season goes along, but to think that we are title contenders is a bit far fetched because this season there are 3 or 4 teams that have moved more decisively in the off season, and integrated faster and better than we have as a unit. When you have such severe competition ahead of you, its highly unlikely to recover to win a title for more reasons than just quality of the group alone.

And it absolutely goes without saying, I would like nothing more for the team and fans like yourself to come out on top at the end of the season, because we'd be getting a fifer. Until then though, Im just trying to prepare for the disappointment that we could and should have avoided as a club, through inept decision making.

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Iturbe was final straw and when we failed to bring him, the price was ludicrous, Conte left. Clear connection.

Here's where guesswork can get a bit funny, but this is the difference in our interpretation. Conte according to me had wanted Sanchez, but the club were closing Iturbe. Their director of transfers throws more light on what happened. And while according to you, a failed negotiation for iturbe led to Conte's departure, according to me, Conte was unhappy with this potential move and that is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Verona director Sean Sogliano reveals why Juan Iturbe’s transfer to Juventus collapsed in favour of Roma. The forward had seemed to be on the verge of joining the Bianconeri for many weeks, but on the day of Antonio Conte’s resignation as Juve Coach, Iturbe went to Roma for €22m plus add-ons.

“He’s a very promising player and in my view Roma made a great buy, because he has the right hunger to reach the top level,” Verona director of sport Sogliano told Sky Sport Italia.

“Why didn’t he go to Juventus? Everyone has their own strategy, though clearly there are some behind the scenes issues...

“We earned an important sum for Iturbe. Juventus wanted him, but when negotiations remain too open, complications can set in.

I don't like Zaza and don't agree with this deal, but it wasn't the reason for not bringing AM. Signing Sandro was necessary, he's the future pillar of the club's defense. He's insanely talented LB and there aren't many like him around. The biggest mistake last summer was letting Vidal leave without securing replacement. Terrible.

Never said I agreed with every move, but let's not pretend like we're run by incompetent morons, with no sense of running the club at this level.

It's not about agreeing with every move. Ive not iterated the moves to break them down and analyse individually, it is to point out the general outlook and movement of the club on the mercato. It in no way was befitting that of a club with european ambition. The planning was poor, but what was worse was that we prioritised wrong. And we prioritised wrong, because every summer opportunities are more important than anything. Thats my issue here. We have the money, we even had the pedestal to take off from, and look at what we ended up with. Fuck Hernanes and his cameltoed nostrils.

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lol

Iturbe deal fails

day after that (i think it was less than a day even, few hours), Conte leaves

You have to keep in mind that Conte didn't necessarily leave when the press reported it. He had already spoken of wanting out before the team returned for pre-season but the club asked him to think about it, and he came back and was still not happy and opted out. It is entirely possible and highly likely that we were in touch with Iturbe the whole time of that happening, and it was probably not the move Conte wanted in the first place. I highly doubt Conte would quit Juventus over not being able to sign a player like Iturbe. Notionally, yes you could make a case that he was upset that 'we couldn't even sign a player like Iturbe' but to quit on everything he built for Iturbe per se, I think that would be unlikely.

 

[Vlad]

Here's where guesswork can get a bit funny, but this is the difference in our interpretation. Conte according to me had wanted Sanchez, but the club were closing Iturbe. Their director of transfers throws more light on what happened. And while according to you, a failed negotiation for iturbe led to Conte's departure, according to me, Conte was unhappy with this potential move and that is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Verona director Sean Sogliano reveals why Juan Iturbe’s transfer to Juventus collapsed in favour of Roma. The forward had seemed to be on the verge of joining the Bianconeri for many weeks, but on the day of Antonio Conte’s resignation as Juve Coach, Iturbe went to Roma for €22m plus add-ons.

“He’s a very promising player and in my view Roma made a great buy, because he has the right hunger to reach the top level,” Verona director of sport Sogliano told Sky Sport Italia.

“Why didn’t he go to Juventus? Everyone has their own strategy, though clearly there are some behind the scenes issues...

“We earned an important sum for Iturbe. Juventus wanted him, but when negotiations remain too open, complications can set in.

But who wanted Iturbe from the club? If mgt wanted him, surely they would have signed him even after Conte left. It seems like they weren't convinced with his qualities and immediately after Conte resigned they backed out. They did get Evra and Morata eventhough as you've put it, they weren't on top of Conte's bucket list, or rather they were the signings he wanted to avoid.

It's not about agreeing with every move. Ive not iterated the moves to break them down and analyse individually, it is to point out the general outlook and movement of the club on the mercato. It in no way was befitting that of a club with european ambition. The planning was poor, but what was worse was that we prioritised wrong. And we prioritised wrong, because every summer opportunities are more important than anything. Thats my issue here. We have the money, we even had the pedestal to take off from, and look at what we ended up with. Fuck Hernanes and his cameltoed nostrils.

We were following Dybala for a while and invested serious sum. There were few other clubs in it as well. Inter offered few mills more according to various rumors. 40m isn't something this club spends lightly. Sandro was another deal that seemed like good planning ahead. There were undoubtedly mistakes as well, but in June we'll see where we stand. The team has been gaining some momentum in the recent weeks and the season is far from over.

In any case, off to bed now. Friggin' Monday tomorrow

 

[baggio]

But who wanted Iturbe from the club? If mgt wanted him, surely they would have signed him even after Conte left. It seems like they weren't convinced with his qualities and immediately after Conte resigned they backed out. They did get Evra and Morata eventhough as you've put it, they weren't on top of Conte's bucket list, or rather they were the signings he wanted to avoid.

From the management's perspective, I don't think it was so much about the player, rather than the position. Even after Conte's departure they didn't sign a winger with starting quality, Coman doesn't count, And again, the way I see it, from Conte's perspective he wanted Sanchez, the management was instead giving him a winger in the mould of Sanchez. Conte didn't want that and it was one of the reasons he quit but not the only one, it was the general difference in direction and outlook that led to the break in ties. If anything he perhaps feels vindicated seeing how things are shaping up in his absence. And to be fair to him, a lot of the success of last season is down to the core of players Conte had coached.

Dybala and Sandro on the last years of their respective contracts for a combined 66m euros. We do have the money mate. It's about how we are spending it at times.

In any case, off to bed now. Friggin' Monday tomorrow

Monday bloody Monday. Have a good one.

 

[Khunglongkhelua]

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Sanchez goes for 40 mil... Price isn't right. We buy Dybala one year later for 40 mil.

To be fair though, we got an insane amount of money last season.

 

[Hust]

From the management's perspective, I don't think it was so much about the player, rather than the position. Even after Conte's departure they didn't sign a winger with starting quality, Coman doesn't count, And again, the way I see it, from Conte's perspective he wanted Sanchez, the management was instead giving him a winger in the mould of Sanchez. Conte didn't want that and it was one of the reasons he quit but not the only one, it was the general difference in direction and outlook that led to the break in ties. If anything he perhaps feels vindicated seeing how things are shaping up in his absence. And to be fair to him, a lot of the success of last season is down to the core of players Conte had coached.

Dybala and Sandro on the last years of their respective contracts for a combined 66m euros. We do have the money mate. It's about how we are spending it at times.



Monday bloody Monday. Have a good one.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

This topic was more fun when I was allowed to troll about my love for Beppe. Same arguements, same counter-arguments Get a life fagboys.

 

[Fr3sh]

Forza baggio!
Not baggio the wasteman of a footballer
I mean @baggio the poster

 

[Klin]

Forza baggio!
Not baggio the wasteman of a footballer
I mean @baggio the poster

Easily the best poster these days.

 

[Vlad]

From the management's perspective, I don't think it was so much about the player, rather than the position. Even after Conte's departure they didn't sign a winger with starting quality, Coman doesn't count, And again, the way I see it, from Conte's perspective he wanted Sanchez, the management was instead giving him a winger in the mould of Sanchez. Conte didn't want that and it was one of the reasons he quit but not the only one, it was the general difference in direction and outlook that led to the break in ties. If anything he perhaps feels vindicated seeing how things are shaping up in his absence. And to be fair to him, a lot of the success of last season is down to the core of players Conte had coached.

Dybala and Sandro on the last years of their respective contracts for a combined 66m euros. We do have the money mate. It's about how we are spending it at times.

I still think it wasn't realistic back in 2014 to sign Sanchez for 40m, it came one year too early. It seemed that mgt tried at one point, but ultimately the money Arsenal was willing to put on table was far bigger than what we had. Can't see how Conte can feel vindicated seeing that the team he considered far inferior to other European giants managed to reach the final and have been comfortably playing in this year's CL.

It's completely different story between last summer and the summer before. The club finally seems to find itself in position to go for players in region of 30-40m. We can go in circles and disagree whether it was wise to spend 40m on Dybala and 26m for Sandro, but Evra was temporary solution (opportunity signing), while Sandro is clear indication that we plan ahead. Dybala is Tevez' replacement.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

This topic was more fun when I was allowed to troll about my love for Beppe. Same arguements, same counter-arguments Get a life fagboys.

You realy can summarize the last 300 pages of this thread in 2 posts.

 

[alexjuventino]

I cant wait to see the reaction to his words.

 

[DAiDEViL]

You realy can summarize the last 300 pages of this thread in 2 posts.

User A: "Beppe is GOD!"

User B: "Beppe is stealing Money from the Club!"

 

[j0ker]

Sanchez goes for 40 mil... Price isn't right. We buy Dybala one year later for 40 mil.

Let's not mention that Sanchez would cost us 8mln more per season in wages.

 

[Mark]

I cant wait to see the reaction to his words.

Did he say we'll sign Eriksen, Muniain and keep Rugani?

 

[alexjuventino]

Did he say we'll sign Eriksen, Muniain and keep Rugani?

3rd place minimum

 

[baggio]

3rd place or Allegri gets fired or they both go?

 

[Mark]

3rd place minimum

remember when we fired Carlo for finishing 2nd?