Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
You know what's ridiculous? Going from being a feared all grinta Juventus side almost winning a treble to struggling against the likes of Frosinone, Sassuolo and Chievo. After 4 years of hard work. All gone in one season mainly because of this guy. That's what's ridiculous.
Highly debateable.

And if you attribute our failure this season mainly to him, you also have to give him the majority of the credit for what the team achieved the past 4 years. So he wouldn't be "cancer to the club" either.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
He built the team from the scratch, cleaned the mess previous mgt left behind, rejuvenated the squad, jointly with Agnelli brought a very good coach that would fit the project these guys were trying to start. After 5 years the cycle ended and we needed to start another project, bring new batch of players, part ways with some older ones and make some tough decisions that could go either way. Why the fuck do few people hate him this much, I mean blind hate and bashing him after every game lately. Calling him a cancer is the new low btw.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,321
Highly debateable.

And if you attribute our failure this season mainly to him, you also have to give him the majority of the credit for what the team achieved the past 4 years. So he wouldn't be "cancer to the club" either.
Oh no, not at all. He's used the same "opportunity signing" tactics as before but there's a huge difference.

1. We had a great motivator in Conte. So even when things didn't go our way (Or did you really forget how many drawings and 1-0 matches we had) tactically, Conte managed to make things work psychologically. We don't have it anymore,

2. We were starting from scratch. We used 4-4-2 before then we brought Conte who was given plenty of "opportunity" players to work with. We finally decided to stick with 3-5-2 and that seemed to work with Pirlo being his best and dictating everything. That's great and all. But now this team wasn't being built from scratch, we ALREADY had a SUCCESSFUL formula that worked almost flawlessly, all we needed to do was to improve upon that. Again, we DID NOT need to go through all this "finding the right players for the right system" again, we were progressing amazingly well given where we came from.

Yet what did we do? The same Marotta opportunity signings from back in 11/12 taking us back to the drawing board and throwing away all the hard work. And people really shouldn't be expecting Allegri to pull a Conte, it simply won't happen. I give the majority of the credit then to Conte for his motivational skills, Pirlo for being the main point in everything we did for at least 2 seasons and the general grinta and right mentality that our players had, even though our team wasn't the most talented out there.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
You know what's ridiculous? Going from being a feared all grinta Juventus side almost winning a treble to struggling against the likes of Frosinone, Sassuolo and Chievo. After 4 years of hard work. All gone in one season mainly because of this guy. That's what's ridiculous.
last season:

Parma Juve 1-0
Torino Juve 2-1
Genoa Juve 1-0
Verona Juve 2-2
Juve Cagliari 1-1
Cesena Juve 2-2
Udinese Juve 0-0
Sassuolo Juve 1-1

should i even mention the ugly struggle wins we got through individual performances in the last minutes like Pirlo vs Torino, Pogba vs Sass or Morata vs Palermo. yeah, the struggles vs low-mid table sides are clearly something new we havent seen before, and its all Marottas fault
 

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