Giuseppe Marotta (127 Viewers)

[Hist]

We are not the only team going through a transition. Inter effectively has a whole new squad. The difference is, while we added to a squad that was almost treble material, Inter added to a squad that only had one top player (Icardi), yet they are winning while we are not.

 

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[j0ker]

We are not the only team going through a transition. Inter effectively has a whole new squad. The difference is, while we added to a squad that was almost treble material, Inter added to a squad that only had one top player (Icardi), yet they are winning while we are not.

Are you telling me that Chievo and Udinese have better teams players than us?

 

[JCK]

We would have a transitional year, if not this season the next one for sure.

And our saviour Conte wanted a revolution last season.

I am glad we are having the results we are having just to see the reaction of some of you pussies here, even tampons aren't helping much.

Are you man enough to accept a 5th place and an early exit from the CL?

 

[lgorTudor]

We would have a transitional year, if not this season the next one for sure.

or we should have left Pirlo go now, Tevez go next year and Vidal go in two years


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no 'transitional' years required because you only have to replace one core player at a time

 

[j0ker]

Are you man enough to accept a 5th place and an early exit from the CL?

Are you man enough to stop the doom theories?

 

[JCK]

Are you man enough to stop the doom theories?

What doom theories?

 

[j0ker]

What doom theories?

The one you just wrote above.

 

[JCK]

The one you just wrote above.

That's far from doom to be honest, it's failure and the team looks like it's heading there. Doom is battling for relegation and we should be better than that, no?

 

[j0ker]

That's far from doom to be honest, it's failure and the team looks like it's heading there. Doom is battling for relegation and we should be better than that, no?

We should be better than the 5th place too.

That's doom enough for me.

 

[Alen]

or we should have left Pirlo go now, Tevez go next year and Vidal go in two years


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no 'transitional' years required because you only have to replace one core player at a time

I agree that it was waaay too much to lose three leaders in one summer. The transitional year would have came sooner or later, though. Even if we did let Pirlo go now, Tevez next year and Vidal in two years, we were gonna lose lots of other important players during this time. Licht won't last much longer. Giorgio is 31 and will keep losing speed, Evra will be gone, Buffon might finally lose it in a year or two, Barzagli as well. On top of this, it's probable that we will eventually lose Pogba and Morata, in 2016 or 2017.
So, the transitional year would have arrived. We were going to have to find a way to create a new functional defense and midfield and during those attempts we were gonna lose a scudetto or two.
But it would have been done gradually and the consequences would have been smaller. The way we did it, we might easily end up having lots of "transitional" years and the moment we recover from the initial shock (losing three stars in one summer), a new shock will follow.

 

[JCK]

We should be better than the 5th place too.

That's doom enough for me.

This is where we disagree then. The squad we have is good enough to fight for fourth fifth place. The central defenders apart from Bonucci are on the decline with Rugani being too yound to make a difference, Same goes for the wingbacks except for Alex Sandro who is still not familiar with the team and league. Our mdifield is too thin beyond recognition and our star player Pogba looks lost in space now that he is the only one supposed to make a difference. As for our front line, well we have 3 very young players, two of them talented but are not ones that make a difference (maybe not yet, maybe never, we don't know how they will develop) and a fourth that needs a lot of service that we obviously lack. Roma, inter, Napoli are obviously much better, they have kept their core players and strengthened wisely, they look like teams that can develop and become better, we look like a team that has potential but also has potential to implode. Signs are showing the latter, there's a lot of chaotic behaviour on the pitch to suggest otherwise.

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I agree that it was waaay too much to lose three leaders in one summer. The transitional year would have came sooner or later, though. Even if we did let Pirlo go now, Tevez next year and Vidal in two years, we were gonna lose lots of other important players during this time. Licht won't last much longer. Giorgio is 31 and will keep losing speed, Evra will be gone, Buffon might finally lose it in a year or two, Barzagli as well. On top of this, it's probable that we will eventually lose Pogba and Morata, in 2016 or 2017.
So, the transitional year would have arrived. We were going to have to find a way to create a new functional defense and midfield and during those attempts we were gonna lose a scudetto or two.
But it would have been done gradually and the consequences would have been smaller. The way we did it, we might easily end up having lots of "transitional" years and the moment we recover from the initial shock (losing three stars in one summer), a new shock will follow.

Exactly, we look like we have put ourselves in a viral transition that will grow worse year after year especially when we start missing out on prize money to strengthen properly. We have to wait until we hit the jackpot again with players like Vidal, Tevez and Pirlo.

 

[Alen]

This is where we disagree then. The squad we have is good enough to fight for fourth fifth place. The central defenders apart from Bonucci are on the decline with Rugani being too yound to make a difference, Same goes for the wingbacks except for Alex Sandro who is still not familiar with the team and league. Our mdifield is too thin beyond recognition and our star player Pogba looks lost in space now that he is the only one supposed to make a difference. As for our front line, well we have 3 very young players, two of them talented but are not ones that make a difference (maybe not yet, maybe never, we don't know how they will develop) and a fourth that needs a lot of service that we obviously lack. Roma, inter, Napoli are obviously much better, they have kept their core players and strengthened wisely, they look like teams that can develop and become better, we look like a team that has potential but also has potential to implode. Signs are showing the latter, there's a lot of chaotic behaviour on the pitch to suggest otherwise.

I wouldn't have been too worried if I knew that what we're building will last. I'll take 1 or 2, or even 3 trophyless seasons if I knew that in 3 summers from now we will still have Pogba, Dybala, Morata and the other young guys, old and prepared enough to lead the team as 25/26/27 year olds.
The trick is... they will probably be gone in 3 summers from now.

 

[Hist]

Are you telling me that Chievo and Udinese have better teams players than us?

how did you get that out of what I said?

All I am saying is that "transition" is not an excuse for not winning the title. We start off from a huge advantage over every rival and they've all had a busy transfer window and none of them has our appeal nor our financial power.

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I wouldn't have been too worried if I knew that what we're building will last. I'll take 1 or 2, or even 3 trophyless seasons if I knew that in 3 summers from now we will still have Pogba, Dybala, Morata and the other young guys, old and prepared enough to lead the team as 25/26/27 year olds.
The trick is... they will probably be gone in 3 summers from now.

Why the hell would you accept that? If we are in the Bundesliga or La Liga where you are competing with financial or sporting monsters then maybe thats a strategy that we could follow but certainly not in Italy where the competition is pathetic. Juve must be a really pathetic team if the likes of Inter, Roma and Napoli can be better for one let alone 3 years.

 

[j0ker]

or we should have left Pirlo go now, Tevez go next year and Vidal go in two years


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no 'transitional' years required because you only have to replace one core player at a time

Inter did that after their treble, it worked just great.

 

[JCK]

I wouldn't have been too worried if I knew that what we're building will last. I'll take 1 or 2, or even 3 trophyless seasons if I knew that in 3 summers from now we will still have Pogba, Dybala, Morata and the other young guys, old and prepared enough to lead the team as 25/26/27 year olds.
The trick is... they will probably be gone in 3 summers from now.

In this Serie A, 1 year is more than enough to go without winning the Scudetto especially after reaching that level we did only last season. But about how our supposed new stars are still young and will most probably be leaving, I totally agree. It shows total lack of vision, almost as blind as the terrible moves they did this summer.

 

[j0ker]

This is where we disagree then. The squad we have is good enough to fight for fourth fifth place. The central defenders apart from Bonucci are on the decline with Rugani being too yound to make a difference, Same goes for the wingbacks except for Alex Sandro who is still not familiar with the team and league. Our mdifield is too thin beyond recognition and our star player Pogba looks lost in space now that he is the only one supposed to make a difference. As for our front line, well we have 3 very young players, two of them talented but are not ones that make a difference (maybe not yet, maybe never, we don't know how they will develop) and a fourth that needs a lot of service that we obviously lack. Roma, inter, Napoli are obviously much better, they have kept their core players and strengthened wisely, they look like teams that can develop and become better, we look like a team that has potential but also has potential to implode. Signs are showing the latter, there's a lot of chaotic behaviour on the pitch to suggest otherwise.

Good points, but I still think we will find our legs in next weeks while the likes of Inter won't be able to keep this tempo. Napoli are hardly doing better than us and they are meh like always. The only team that scares me are Roma.

So for me anything below the second place is doom.

 

[j0ker]

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Wrong quote, sorry.

But as you said Inter also has basically a new team and they are winning, while we got better players and don't seem to find our rhythm.

I blame that on our retarted pre-season and injuries.

 

[JCK]

Wrong quote, sorry.

But as you said Inter also has basically a new team and they are winning, while we got better players and don't seem to find our rhythm.

I blame that on our retarted pre-season and injuries.

Which players we got are better than Inter's? Inter's players are established, ours are talents that might become good one day. We bought a big bag of question marks in the summer.

 

[Alen]

Why the hell would you accept that? If we are in the Bundesliga or La Liga where you are competing with financial or sporting monsters then maybe thats a strategy that we could follow but certainly not in Italy where the competition is pathetic. Juve must be a really pathetic team if the likes of Inter, Roma and Napoli can be better for one let alone 3 years.

I'm saying that I can accept a longer transitional period (2, even 3 years) if the final result will be a really strong team, able to reach CL semis, finals and win the damn thing. It's not very satisfying to win this weak serie A 2015/16, if next year we lose Pogba and Morata, and then weaken the team even further.
Ok, what's done is done. We probably won't win this scudetto. But keep Pogba, Sandro, Dybala, Morata next summer. Add one or two top players. Keep all of them the following summer. Add one or two stars again. Even if we don't win the scudetto due to whatever reason (Roma, Inter, Milan etc also creating great teams), in 2017/18 we should have a really nice team, with star players in their best years.

 

[Suns]

Still don't understand why we needed the transitional year just after finally cementing our place in the Europe's elite and reaching the mountain top. That is what is so frustrating. We should have been building on that.
Its a dangerous game to play, not only becoming weaker on the pitch but financially off it as well. We were climbing that financial ladder with our success.