Giuseppe Marotta (67 Viewers)

[KB824]

As I said yesterday. If the Vidal sale is true, it's because we're changing our setup. I believe it is the right thing to do, but I disagree on selling Vidal.

I firmly believe, and have thought for a while now, that we are switching to a 4-3-3 or some variation of it.

But in order for that to work, you need to have a more offensive LB, which Sandro would be.

That, in turn would have an overload of players for that position, so Asa would need to be moved into the midfield as a true LM in that formation.

But I wish that all of this could have happened without selling Vidal. But, we don't know all of the details yet, so I will refrain from reaching for the cyanide until there are more details.

 

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[Salvo]

I get the disappointment of losing someone like Vidal. I'm sad too.

But I know deep down that all will be well. Not just because I'm a Beppe fanboy, a Society soldier and because I go to the sauna sometimes to take it up the rear.

No.

Because I have witnessed us reaching a UCL final post-Calciopoli (when we were supposed to be down and out), and in the most moneycrazy era of football ever. Juve is destined for greatness. Always.

Now, undoubtedly, it also does help that we have good ol' Beppe Maximus Santangelo Trollotus at the helm. That just makes me even more secure about our future. Cause make no mistake: His track record is sublime.

We will certainly miss Vidal, but our future is bright and it will be fantastic and glorious. Yeah, there's been a lot of BIG changes this summer, but at least we don't have to worry about ending up like Milan with their "senators"; aging, becoming unmotivated, being on super high wages etc. which turned out to be a huge problem for them in the end, and effectively killed them off as our competition.

Think this was an easy move for Beppe? Beppe was the one who brought Vidal to the club. Beppe has been watching his crucial goals and performances time and time again from the stands, in wild jubilation. He also knows how much juventini love Arturo. But a Great Man sometimes has to make unpopular decisions for the greater good of the club; for our long term success.

Look at how many of his market moves have turned out to be pure gold for us. Vidal is one of them. But there are countless others.

I'm sad to lose Vidal, but there's absolutely no reason to think Marotta has lost the plot with this move. Knowing him, he's in full control. He knows what he's doing.

I firmly believe, and have thought for a while now, that we are switching to a 4-3-3 or some variation of it.

But in order for that to work, you need to have a more offensive LB, which Sandro would be.

That, in turn would have an overload of players for that position, so Asa would need to be moved into the midfield as a true LM in that formation.

But I wish that all of this could have happened without selling Vidal. But, we don't know all of the details yet, so I will refrain from reaching for the cyanide until there are more details.

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I think we will stick to the 4-3-1-2, it probably depends on whether we can secure an AM.

 

[Hydde]

I'm sad to lose Vidal, but there's absolutely no reason to think Marotta has lost the plot with this move.

Im sure he is no idiot. Losing Vidal is not the same as losing Pirlo or tevez...because we were prepared for it. With Vidal, it means more, because he was in no way in need to be sold or leave.

At the very least, this will shake the fanbase, every knows it. But this could means that Allegri gave the ok and their plan is dead set.

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I think we will stick to the 4-3-1-2, it probably depends on whether we can secure an AM.

I think we will stick to 4312 as the main...for the sole reason that allegri wants a "wild card" player behind the strikers. But im pretty sure we will use the 433 much more this seoason,

 

[baggio]

We are going to have to secure an AM if we are selling Vidal or there's no sense behind the move,.

 

[Vlad]

Plenty of overreactions here. Like last season when Conte left and we were supposed to crumble. I love Vidal, my 2nd fav player after Buffon and it saddens me that a true champion leaves our club, but from a business standpoint it makes sense. 28 yo, prone to injuries, had underwhelming season and it's very much doubtful he'll ever return to his former self. His peak was here 2 years ago. I'd prefer him staying, but if we're looking to make decent profit it's time to sell and invest in younger players. If those 40m bring us pacey, skilfull attacking mid, capable of making difference in the final 3rd on a regular basis, then it's sensible decision. World class LB would make it equally good. Surely Marotta&co have an ace up their sleeves and his sale will not be in vain. After all they've accomplished so far they certainly deserve benefit of the doubt.

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I get the disappointment of losing someone like Vidal. I'm sad too.

But I know deep down that all will be well. Not just because I'm a Beppe fanboy, a Society soldier and because I go to the sauna sometimes to take it up the rear.

No.

Because I have witnessed us reaching a UCL final post-Calciopoli (when we were supposed to be down and out), and in the most moneycrazy era of football ever. Juve is destined for greatness. Always.

Now, undoubtedly, it also does help that we have good ol' Beppe Maximus Santangelo Trollotus at the helm. That just makes me even more secure about our future. Cause make no mistake: His track record is sublime.

We will certainly miss Vidal, but our future is bright and it will be fantastic and glorious. Yeah, there's been a lot of BIG changes this summer, but at least we don't have to worry about ending up like Milan with their "senators"; aging, becoming unmotivated, being on super high wages etc. which turned out to be a huge problem for them in the end, and effectively killed them off as our competition.

Think this was an easy move for Beppe? Beppe was the one who brought Vidal to the club. Beppe has been watching his crucial goals and performances time and time again from the stands, in wild jubilation. He also knows how much juventini love Arturo. But a Great Man sometimes has to make unpopular decisions for the greater good of the club; for our long term success.

Look at how many of his market moves have turned out to be pure gold for us. Vidal is one of them. But there are countless others.

I'm sad to lose Vidal, but there's absolutely no reason to think Marotta has lost the plot with this move. Knowing him, he's in full control. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Hydde]

Plenty of overreactions here. Like last season when Conte left and we were supposed to crumble. I love Vidal, my 2nd fav player after Buffon and it saddens me that a true champion leaves our club, but from a business standpoint it makes sense. 28 yo, prone to injuries, had underwhelming season and it's very much doubtful he'll ever return to his former self. His peak was here 2 years ago. I'd prefer him staying, but if we're looking to make decent profit it's time to sell and invest in younger players. If those 40m bring us pacey, skilfull attacking mid, capable of making difference in the final 3rd on a regular basis, then it's sensible decision. World class LB would make it equally good. Surely Marotta&co have an ace up their sleeves and his sale will not be in vain. After all they've accomplished so far they certainly deserve benefit of the doubt.

Yeh they deserve it.

I think Allegri believes in our defenseive capabilities...so he was willing to sacrifice. But i think we all agree that we needed more punch creatively speaking... so he is aiming to stack more attacking players from what i get, and to see which formula works. We all saw how BArcelona pinned us back with attacking individuals...i feel allegri wants that kind of power to match it with our defensive cohesion.

 

[KB824]

We are going to have to secure an AM if we are selling Vidal or there's no sense behind the move,.

That is assuming that the 4-3-1-2 is the formation of choice.

With these links to Cuadrado and Draxler, it sure does seem like they are switching to a 4-3-3.

I don't even know how that would work. Where would Dybala fit in all of this?

If it is Draxler that is being looked at for the AM position I'm going to cry.

 

[Hust]

I get the disappointment of losing someone like Vidal. I'm sad too.

But I know deep down that all will be well. Not just because I'm a Beppe fanboy, a Society soldier and because I go to the sauna sometimes to take it up the rear.

No.

Because I have witnessed us reaching a UCL final post-Calciopoli (when we were supposed to be down and out), and in the most moneycrazy era of football ever. Juve is destined for greatness. Always.

Now, undoubtedly, it also does help that we have good ol' Beppe Maximus Santangelo Trollotus at the helm. That just makes me even more secure about our future. Cause make no mistake: His track record is sublime.

We will certainly miss Vidal, but our future is bright and it will be fantastic and glorious. Yeah, there's been a lot of BIG changes this summer, but at least we don't have to worry about ending up like Milan with their "senators"; aging, becoming unmotivated, being on super high wages etc. which turned out to be a huge problem for them in the end, and effectively killed them off as our competition.

Think this was an easy move for Beppe? Beppe was the one who brought Vidal to the club. Beppe has been watching his crucial goals and performances time and time again from the stands, in wild jubilation. He also knows how much juventini love Arturo. But a Great Man sometimes has to make unpopular decisions for the greater good of the club; for our long term success.

Look at how many of his market moves have turned out to be pure gold for us. Vidal is one of them. But there are countless others.

I'm sad to lose Vidal, but there's absolutely no reason to think Marotta has lost the plot with this move. Knowing him, he's in full control. He knows what he's doing.

 

[baggio]

That is assuming that the 4-3-1-2 is the formation of choice.

With these links to Cuadrado and Draxler, it sure does seem like they are switching to a 4-3-3.

I don't even know how that would work. Where would Dybala fit in all of this?

If it is Draxler that is being looked at for the AM position I'm going to cry.

Dybala and Morata too. I'd be worried if we are thinking 433 because I think we'd be playing Mandzukic in the centre while giving Morata a wider role just to accommodate both and I don't think that would have a good outcome, as would be the case with playing Dybala wide. This sale is going to trigger a domino effect that's a bit more muzzled than it should be, because the Sandro links are strong, so are the Cuadrado and Draxler links. And I think Draxler is being considered as AM since he can play both roles.

If this move comes to fruition after Vidals sale then I'm going to be losing my shit in this thread. Until that time I am hoping for Sandro and Gotze to soften the blow from the last 24 hours. It's all in Marrotta and Paraticis hands now, because we've decided to take a bit of a gamble this season with so many changes. Need to be right on the money in terms of who we buy and the Vidal sale will be absorbed by the team with the right personnel in the right positions.

 

[KB824]

Dybala and Morata too. I'd be worried if we are thinking 433 because I think we'd be playing Mandzukic in the centre while giving Morata a wider role just to accommodate both and I don't think that would have a good outcome, as would be the case with playing Dybala wide. This sale is going to trigger a domino effect that's a bit more muzzled than it should be, because the Sandro links are strong, so are the Cuadrado and Draxler links. And I think Draxler is being considered as AM since he can play both roles.

If this move comes to fruition after Vidals sale then I'm going to be losing my shit in this thread. Until that time I am hoping for Sandro and Gotze to soften the blow from the last 24 hours. It's all in Marrotta and Paraticis hands now, because we've decided to take a bit of a gamble this season with so many changes.

I don't mind it when a team makes changes, especially when it involves players that stated their intentions long ago (Tevez) or players that quite frankly should not be starting anymore (Pirlo).

Especially when younger alternatives are brought in.

But this? I don't really know what to think yet, because there is no transparency right now on either side. I don't want him to leave. I only have one jersey that I've bought in the past 4 years, and it is his. He's been my favorite player on this club since he got here.

I, along with everyone else, would like to know why? Was it his disciplinary issues? If so, I don't think that these guys are the type to air out dirty laundry in public. Is it health concerns? Bayern would certainly have those concerns as well, one would think.

The only thing that I can think of is that he wants to go. It is his right, but I don't think he will ever have it as good as he had it here. He was adored here. He'll be just another guy at Bayern. None of it makes any sense, and this happened way too fast.

 

[Post Ironic]

Plenty of overreactions here. Like last season when Conte left and we were supposed to crumble. I love Vidal, my 2nd fav player after Buffon and it saddens me that a true champion leaves our club, but from a business standpoint it makes sense. 28 yo, prone to injuries, had underwhelming season and it's very much doubtful he'll ever return to his former self. His peak was here 2 years ago. I'd prefer him staying, but if we're looking to make decent profit it's time to sell and invest in younger players. If those 40m bring us pacey, skilfull attacking mid, capable of making difference in the final 3rd on a regular basis, then it's sensible decision. World class LB would make it equally good. Surely Marotta&co have an ace up their sleeves and his sale will not be in vain. After all they've accomplished so far they certainly deserve benefit of the doubt.

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[Salvo]

I don't mind it when a team makes changes, especially when it involves players that stated their intentions long ago (Tevez) or players that quite frankly should not be starting anymore (Pirlo).

Especially when younger alternatives are brought in.

But this? I don't really know what to think yet, because there is no transparency right now on either side. I don't want him to leave. I only have one jersey that I've bought in the past 4 years, and it is his. He's been my favorite player on this club since he got here.

I, along with everyone else, would like to know why? Was it his disciplinary issues? If so, I don't think that these guys are the type to air out dirty laundry in public. Is it health concerns? Bayern would certainly have those concerns as well, one would think.

The only thing that I can think of is that he wants to go. It is his right, but I don't think he will ever have it as good as he had it here. He was adored here. He'll be just another guy at Bayern. None of it makes any sense, and this happened way too fast.

I also don't think he will reach the form he had here in Conte's last season also.

 

[Post Ironic]

Dybala and Morata too. I'd be worried if we are thinking 433 because I think we'd be playing Mandzukic in the centre while giving Morata a wider role just to accommodate both and I don't think that would have a good outcome, as would be the case with playing Dybala wide. This sale is going to trigger a domino effect that's a bit more muzzled than it should be, because the Sandro links are strong, so are the Cuadrado and Draxler links. And I think Draxler is being considered as AM since he can play both roles.

If this move comes to fruition after Vidals sale then I'm going to be losing my $#@! in this thread. Until that time I am hoping for Sandro and Gotze to soften the blow from the last 24 hours. It's all in Marrotta and Paraticis hands now, because we've decided to take a bit of a gamble this season with so many changes. Need to be right on the money in terms of who we buy and the Vidal sale will be absorbed by the team with the right personnel in the right positions.

Beppe said our top players won't leave unless they request it, which would lead me to believe that Vidal's own wishes played a part in initiating this transfer.

I wonder if a culmination of things, starting with the loss of Conte, to the fines and punishment for his bar room brawl, to being sub'd off in the CL final, has played a large part in this, assuming it was Vidal who did ask to leave.

 

[Hydde]

Dybala and Morata too. I'd be worried if we are thinking 433 because I think we'd be playing Mandzukic in the centre while giving Morata a wider role just to accommodate both and I don't think that would have a good outcome, as would be the case with playing Dybala wide. This sale is going to trigger a domino effect that's a bit more muzzled than it should be, because the Sandro links are strong, so are the Cuadrado and Draxler links. And I think Draxler is being considered as AM since he can play both roles.

If this move comes to fruition after Vidals sale then I'm going to be losing my $#@! in this thread. Until that time I am hoping for Sandro and Gotze to soften the blow from the last 24 hours. It's all in Marrotta and Paraticis hands now, because we've decided to take a bit of a gamble this season with so many changes. Need to be right on the money in terms of who we buy and the Vidal sale will be absorbed by the team with the right personnel in the right positions.

I would like to 433 more oftne than not. But with our signings..it doesnt make much sense to go 433, even less if we buy a AM, and right now we have excessive options who play kind of central or full central (morata,manzu,llorente,dybala,zaza..all of them play centrally).....so if we are going to 433...someone will have to accept playing wide often. My first bet is dybala and then morata....but since we are NOT going to bench morata,,, i doubt we will use 433 often.

who knows...we also need to rememebr that allegri himself said that we cant try to play as if nothing happeend with the departure of tevez..and we will have to switch instead of trying to use someone in place of tevez. So im at a loss in what are our plans.

 

[baggio]

I don't mind it when a team makes changes, especially when it involves players that stated their intentions long ago (Tevez) or players that quite frankly should not be starting anymore (Pirlo).

Especially when younger alternatives are brought in.

But this? I don't really know what to think yet, because there is no transparency right now on either side. I don't want him to leave. I only have one jersey that I've bought in the past 4 years, and it is his. He's been my favorite player on this club since he got here.

I, along with everyone else, would like to know why? Was it his disciplinary issues? If so, I don't think that these guys are the type to air out dirty laundry in public. Is it health concerns? Bayern would certainly have those concerns as well, one would think.

The only thing that I can think of is that he wants to go. It is his right, but I don't think he will ever have it as good as he had it here. He was adored here. He'll be just another guy at Bayern. None of it makes any sense, and this happened way too fast.

That's what's got me thinking as well. Coz he explicitly said before the Copa how he wanted to finish his career in a Juve shirt etc etc. the. The car crash and the Copa title and I'm guessing something on some level perhaps strained relations between the player and club. Although that said, I'm adamant that even if he did indeed push for this move of his own free will, which is hard to believe honestly, I would imagine we could've squeezed Munich further than the eventual 36m plus 4m bonuses. That's just a bit short and we've been had in this deal unless of course, there is some sort of pre agreement for Goetze at a certain price etc. which again I doubt.

Though no point trying to rationalise this till we hear from player and club. My only hope is that we are aiming high with the AM. Or we are in for a massive downgrade as Serie a title holders. Also, wondering why most of us are t discussing the plausibility and possibility of a 4231 given the players we are rumoured to be looking at or linked with. That may just be the way to go, given this sale.

 

[Xperd]

Honestly,not that upset about losing Vidal after all the calming down.

Where i'm going to be annoyed is if a prospect like Draxler is brought with that money and people will here will try to convince sheep who have no opinion as well as themselves that we got some world class player and that we're going be much stronger than last year.

No we will not.Because we lost our best player,and if we replace our second best player and use the money to buy a prospet,its very likely we might endure a mediocre season and possibly leading to another firesale the following summer.

But if we do use the money to buy a top player who will make an instant impact here,the loss of Vidal wouldnt be so damaging.

This is my concern imo.

 

[KB824]

This all doesn't add up. If they wanted to sell a player to raise funds to get a true AM and LB, they could have sold Pogba.

Isco and Sandro most likely could have been purchased with those funds. But selling Vidal to raise funds? To lose the engine of that midfield at a price that would barely afford a decent #10?

I know I'm starting to repeat myself, and I'm sorry about that.

There is simply no way Vidal was sold to raise money.

 

[Emmet]

Plenty of overreactions here. Like last season when Conte left and we were supposed to crumble. I love Vidal, my 2nd fav player after Buffon and it saddens me that a true champion leaves our club, but from a business standpoint it makes sense. 28 yo, prone to injuries, had underwhelming season and it's very much doubtful he'll ever return to his former self. His peak was here 2 years ago. I'd prefer him staying, but if we're looking to make decent profit it's time to sell and invest in younger players. If those 40m bring us pacey, skilfull attacking mid, capable of making difference in the final 3rd on a regular basis, then it's sensible decision. World class LB would make it equally good. Surely Marotta&co have an ace up their sleeves and his sale will not be in vain. After all they've accomplished so far they certainly deserve benefit of the doubt.

Finally someone with some sense

 

[Salvo]

This all doesn't add up. If they wanted to sell a player to raise funds to get a true AM and LB, they could have sold Pogba.

Isco and Sandro most likely could have been purchased with those funds. But selling Vidal to raise funds? To lose the engine of that midfield at a price that would barely afford a decent #10?

I know I'm starting to repeat myself, and I'm sorry about that.

There is simply no way Vidal was sold to raise money.

As I said they either think he is past his best, he asked to go or it is his off field issues.

 

[KB824]

As I said they either think he is past his best, he asked to go or it is his off field issues.

Yeah, I know, but I can't very well have this kind of conversation with my dog, now can I?

Like I said, I am just thinking out loud.