Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,107
Ogbonna was clearly overpaid at the time he was bought and everybody knew it then. He came from a weak to regular performance for Torino the previous season, along with injuries.

Let's not kid ourselves and pretend Pereyra isn't going to be bought. Have we done any business with Udinese where we aren't obligated to buy the guy afterwards? Look at Motta and Isla lol. Pereyra is already bought for 17M. Part of the overpricing is the long installments. Loaning before is just a way to extend the payment through 1 more year.

Regarding the coach, demanding Sneijder over Shaqiri is not reasonable.

And I'm sure Allegri wouldn't mind having Shaqiri. This was Marotta's and Paratici's decision. We just $#@!ed it up. Hopefully things we'll remain as they are. If we pay 8M for Sneijder on huge salaries this will be a tragedy. Case for summary sacking of Marotta & co.
Don't be reasonable and have clear and concise thoughts, you childish hater.
 

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Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
So now we're stuck with one system until the end of time?

Grounds for sacking Allegri and sacking Marotta for hiring him.
Did I say we were stuck with one system? We have operated with two this year, how many teams change to a third one in the same season?

We are severely missing the link between midfield and our strikers...our final passes suck. Don't think Shaqiri wouldl have offered that as well as Sneijder would have.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,107
Did I say we were stuck with one system? We have operated with two this year, how many teams change to a third one in the same season?

We are severely missing the link between midfield and our strikers...our final passes suck. Don't think Shaqiri wouldl have offered that as well as Sneijder would have.
Sneijder is washed up. He should be at DC United, I would take him there.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,322
Don't be reasonable and have clear and concise thoughts, you childish hater.
Why are you acting stupid when we both know you aren't? You've been here long enough to know some members take it to the personal level when judging either a player or our coach/board, and not by whether they're doing a good job or not.

We see it happen almost every day in almost every thread. That's not just criticizing, it's just plain stupid and is childish hate.

But if you're trying so hard to fit the profile i won't stop you.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,107
Why are you acting stupid when we both know you aren't? You've been here long enough to know some members take it to the personal level when judging either a player or our coach/board, and not by whether they're doing a good job or not.

We see it happen almost every day in almost every thread. That's not just criticizing, it's just plain stupid and is childish hate.

But if you're trying so hard to fit the profile i won't stop you.
I really don't know what you're talking about. Sorry.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,972
Ogbonna was clearly overpaid at the time he was bought and everybody knew it then. He came from a weak to regular performance for Torino the previous season, along with injuries.

Let's not kid ourselves and pretend Pereyra isn't going to be bought. Have we done any business with Udinese where we aren't obligated to buy the guy afterwards? Look at Motta and Isla lol. Pereyra is already bought for 17M. Part of the overpricing is the long installments. Loaning before is just a way to extend the payment through 1 more year.

Regarding the coach, demanding Sneijder over Shaqiri is not reasonable.

And I'm sure Allegri wouldn't mind having Shaqiri. This was Marotta's and Paratici's decision. We just fucked it up. Hopefully things we'll remain as they are. If we pay 8M for Sneijder on huge salaries this will be a tragedy. Case for summary sacking of Marotta & co.
:tup:

We've spent staggering amounts on bench players by this current Juve's standards and the success rate is largely mediocre to poor.There desperately needs to be a rethink in strategy.
For example,bringing back Zaza next season would be stupid and we'd be making the same mistake again.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
Ogbonna was clearly overpaid at the time he was bought and everybody knew it then. He came from a weak to regular performance for Torino the previous season, along with injuries.

Let's not kid ourselves and pretend Pereyra isn't going to be bought. Have we done any business with Udinese where we aren't obligated to buy the guy afterwards? Look at Motta and Isla lol. Pereyra is already bought for 17M. Part of the overpricing is the long installments. Loaning before is just a way to extend the payment through 1 more year.

Regarding the coach, demanding Sneijder over Shaqiri is not reasonable.

And I'm sure Allegri wouldn't mind having Shaqiri. This was Marotta's and Paratici's decision. We just $#@!ed it up. Hopefully things we'll remain as they are. If we pay 8M for Sneijder on huge salaries this will be a tragedy. Case for summary sacking of Marotta & co.
:tup:

Shaqiri didn't fit the system, Sneijder did. Why is that so hard to understand?
How he didn't fit the system? He was exactly what we needed. Allegri with him could play 433 or so called 4321. Just because you repeat something many times it doesn't mean it's true. Picking Sneijder ahead of Shaqiri is far from reasonable. Luckily Sneijder is not coming and Shaqiri won't be missed so badly since we have Berardi in our hands. He could be very useful though.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,500
:tup:

We've spent staggering amounts on bench players by this current Juve's standards and the success rate is largely mediocre to poor.There desperately needs to be a rethink in strategy.
For example,bringing back Zaza next season would be stupid and we'd be making the same mistake again.
:tup:

Any team that wants to make it to the top always spends the most money in attack, we have barely spent a penny on attacking players compared to other teams. When we do spend money it's on the wrong players, Tevez being the exception here he was a good investment.

Look at Inter, they are financially screwed yet they can spend more money than us in January on a quality player as well. Attack needs to take all priority in the next Summer Mercato as our attacking options really are a joke. We struggle to break down any decent team who are organised.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Inter are financially screwed and still spending money.

So, by the logic let's financially screw ourselves and continue spending because evidently there are no consequences. :touched:
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,972
But arent we screwing ourselves anyway ? Expensive bench players unable to make the cut only to sell them at a loss later on.
Are we doing any different than the same amount of money spent by say, another club on first team quality ?

We arent in any less 'riskier' position right now than what we would've been if the money available was used to reinforce the first eleven.
Ironically we're left with a lot of holes to replace in the first eleven because its either existing players getting old or bench players not stepping up to the plate.
We've done well thus far on a sporting level where we have been aided by a lack of competition too in the league but this kind of market 'strategy' going forward will do more harm than good for us if not it might have already.
 

EyeC_U

Junior Member
Jan 10, 2015
235
I can't say I'm unhappy with Marotta's work but there are some things he needs to work on. For example: Signing old mediocre players every winter mercato- way too many minutes wasted on old farts that coud've been invested in young talented players. Then again, perhaps those signings were necessary and maybe the coach (Conte and Allegri) is to blame for said wasted minutes.

Those old mediocre players should only be used when our starters and their replacements (some should be youngsters) are unavailable.
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
10,778
Ogbonna was clearly overpaid at the time he was bought and everybody knew it then. He came from a weak to regular performance for Torino the previous season, along with injuries.

Let's not kid ourselves and pretend Pereyra isn't going to be bought. Have we done any business with Udinese where we aren't obligated to buy the guy afterwards? Look at Motta and Isla lol. Pereyra is already bought for 17M. Part of the overpricing is the long installments. Loaning before is just a way to extend the payment through 1 more year.

Regarding the coach, demanding Sneijder over Shaqiri is not reasonable.

And I'm sure Allegri wouldn't mind having Shaqiri. This was Marotta's and Paratici's decision. We just fucked it up. Hopefully things we'll remain as they are. If we pay 8M for Sneijder on huge salaries this will be a tragedy. Case for summary sacking of Marotta & co.
You may be right,but Pereyra's deal is different to the one we had with Isla/Asa.(we actually bought them fully , and then made a co-own kind of a deal,that we had to buy other halves later).
But we did pick up the options on Pepe,Quag and Motta...
Hopefully if Pereyra will not improve we won't use this option this time.
1.5M loan+(14M option + 1.5Mbonuses)
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
imo it´s a quite questionable article, written by a questionable writer who works for a questionable site.
he got half of his numbers wrong, takes things that were probably reported by sportmediaset or tuttomerdasportsweb for granted (sanchez, 433...), and quite simply makes wrong statements for all that we know.
at first he is completely ignoring that allegri pretty much rejected shaqiri; instead he claims that marotta´s pennypinching was at fault (again). later he rows back on this :sergio:.
furthermore he uses a quote from shaqiri which was proven to be fake :lol:.
it´s also funny to see that he makes it sound like last year marotta didn´t provide conte a good enough team to finish above mighty galatasaray.
standard goal.com article. massive hindsight-powers included. had iturbe exploded at roma we would now be reading an article about "marotta the idiot missing out on obvious wonder kid iturbe".

and no, i don´t think he is wrong about everything but overall the article is quite meh. poorly researched, poorly written.
Seriouly, you're probably one of the best posters in the transfer sections :tup:
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
You may be right,but Pereyra's deal is different to the one we had with Isla/Asa.(we actually bought them fully , and then made a co-own kind of a deal,that we had to buy other halves later).
But we did pick up the options on Pepe,Quag and Motta...
Hopefully if Pereyra will not improve we won't use this option this time.
1.5M loan+(14M option + 1.5Mbonuses)
We always end buying from udinese. Dont pretend you dont know we will buy him
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,969
Yeah, i know i know. It's goal.com blah blah blah. He makes some good points though. Carlo Garganese is one of their least bad writers.


"Sneijder-Shaqiri saga shows Juventus may have hit their limit under Marotta"


http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...haqiri-saga-shows-juventus-may-have-hit-their
not read the article myself, I was ridiculed last week or 2 for stating the same thing about how marotta has taken as far as his ability allows him too and all i got was "he won us 3 successive scudetti"
 

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