Jem83

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JFG™;4021225 said:
Caceres - Great utility player, never fusses about where he plays or when he plays
Giaccherini - Hard working gutsy player
Asamoah - Top signing
Isla - Still needs time to adapt.
Giovinco - Leading goalscorer so far this season
Leali - Quality prospect
Lucio - Chance to troll Merda
Masi - Also a quality prospect
Boakye - One of the leading talents in Serie B so far this season
Pogba - Goes without saying
Rubinho - Third choice keeper, there to fill the roster
Bendtner - Average signing to be fair, but was unluckily injured and therefore cannot make amends for first half of season
Peluso - Only a couple of games under his belt, shakey start but still has a goal to his name
Pirlo - World class, free, team of the year player, Milan fans pissed etc
Ziegler - free transfer, will receive some payout once he's sold
Pazienza - good squad player
Motta - hours of laughter enjoyed on his behalf
Pepe - Lazio killer
Quagliarella - Champions league top goalscorer, was our top striker before that injury, dozens of spectacular goals
Matri - Our top goalscorer last season, handsome devil, Federica Nargi
Lichtsteiner - One of the best right backs in the world
Vucinic - Most skillful player we have
Estigarribia (loan) - Chipped in with a few decent goals, hard working, Scudetto winner
Elia - Social media expert
Borriello (loan) - No comment
Padoin - Another example of a no complaints, hard working squad player, exactly the qualities that Conte looks for in a player.
Storari - Could start for most other top teams
Lanzafame (loan) - No comment
Bonucci - Italian International stalwart.
Martinez - This was pretty poor to be fair
Constantino - Who?
Krasic - Brilliant first season, unfortunately didn't fit the mold in Conte's Juve
Aquilani (loan) We all agreed at the time that this was a great loan signing, and he did ok all things considered.
Camilleri (loan) - meh
Rinaudo (loan) - Never really got a chance because of injury
Sorensen - Still showing signs of becoming a very good player.
Toni - Legend, forst goalscorer at the new stadium.
Barzagli - unbelievably shrewd signing, one of the best CBs in Europe
Traore (loan) Not great.


There were a few left off this list like Appelt and Ouasim Bouy who are fantastic prospects too
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Andrew, it is not about Lopez in particular contra Anelka, it is all about the pattern he follows. He never negotiates, he just proposes his own terms and hopes they get accepted or the player pushes for an exit. After several attempts he finds someone, Borriello, Bendtner, Anelka.
He does negotiate, but he's stubborn as fuck. We sign players on our terms. It would be irresponsible of him to go nuts with cash after the financial crisis and with FFP kicking in.
 

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I'm pretty sure I read an interview of him where he stated that he was forced to leave.
You maybe right.

We should of kept him and his presence is sorely missed.

I still think Marotta's time here has been a success though.

He can't get them right all of the time and his worst deals where at his first season at a new club who had just finished 7th, their morale was at rock bottom and were the laughing stock of Italy.

They won the Scudetto undefeated a year later.

Says it all really.
 

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He does negotiate, but he's stubborn as fuck. We sign players on our terms. It would be irresponsible of him to go nuts with cash after the financial crisis and with FFP kicking in.
Sometimes you just have to pay to get what you really need.
 
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Caceres - Great utility player, never fusses about where he plays or when he plays
Giaccherini - Hard working gutsy player
Asamoah - Top signing
Isla - Still needs time to adapt.
Giovinco - Leading goalscorer so far this season
Leali - Quality prospect
Lucio - Chance to troll Merda
Masi - Also a quality prospect
Boakye - One of the leading talents in Serie B so far this season
Pogba - Goes without saying
Rubinho - Third choice keeper, there to fill the roster
Bendtner - Average signing to be fair, but was unluckily injured and therefore cannot make amends for first half of season
Peluso - Only a couple of games under his belt, shakey start but still has a goal to his name
Pirlo - World class, free, team of the year player, Milan fans pissed etc
Ziegler - free transfer, will receive some payout once he's sold
Pazienza - good squad player
Motta - hours of laughter enjoyed on his behalf
Pepe - Lazio killer
Quagliarella - Champions league top goalscorer, was our top striker before that injury, dozens of spectacular goals
Matri - Our top goalscorer last season, handsome devil, Federica Nargi
Lichtsteiner - One of the best right backs in the world
Vucinic - Most skillful player we have
Estigarribia (loan) - Chipped in with a few decent goals, hard working, Scudetto winner
Elia - Social media expert
Borriello (loan) - No comment
Padoin - Another example of a no complaints, hard working squad player, exactly the qualities that Conte looks for in a player.
Storari - Could start for most other top teams
Lanzafame (loan) - No comment
Bonucci - Italian International stalwart.
Martinez - This was pretty poor to be fair
Constantino - Who?
Krasic - Brilliant first season, unfortunately didn't fit the mold in Conte's Juve
Aquilani (loan) We all agreed at the time that this was a great loan signing, and he did ok all things considered.
Camilleri (loan) - meh
Rinaudo (loan) - Never really got a chance because of injury
Sorensen - Still showing signs of becoming a very good player.
Toni - Legend, forst goalscorer at the new stadium.
Barzagli - unbelievably shrewd signing, one of the best CBs in Europe
Traore (loan) Not great.


There were a few left off this list like Appelt and Ouasim Bouy who are fantastic prospects too
epitome of worst excuses
 

Jem83

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Sometimes you just have to pay to get what you really need.
You obviously rate LL a lot and find 11m euros to be a fair price in order to get him.

Nothing wrong with that. There's no saying you'd be wrong either. I just personally believe that, even though I would like him on the team, 11m was too much.

I guess I just don't rate him as highly as you do.
 

Nzoric

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So it ok not to overpay for a striker in CL season where we need a striker the most, but its ok to overpay for Matri and pay 18,5 mil for an average striker.
But 18.5 mill and Matri's wages were within our transfer budget, 40m + 8m / year wages are not and will not be for the foreseeable future.
 

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Andrew, it is not about Lopez in particular contra Anelka, it is all about the pattern he follows. He never negotiates, he just proposes his own terms and hopes they get accepted or the player pushes for an exit.
I can see why folk would get frustrated by that, but I find that preferable to overpaying for players - particularly when most of these players that preliminary talks seem have taken place over aren't really worth pushing the boat out for.

I'd be critical if I got the impression that Marotta was missing out on really good players over a couple of million, but I don't think that's the case.

After several attempts he finds someone, Borriello, Bendtner, Anelka.
Undesirable, but necessary.
 

Jem83

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Matri is not a failed signing.

23 goals in 57 games is far from bad. Jesus christ, he's only a couple of goals away from having a ratio of one goals per every 2 games. He also has plenty of assists.

The hatred for Matri is simply unbelievable in this place.
 

Cronios

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In the summer:

1- we were seeking a fine CB sub to rotate with our 3, in order to rest them.
Marotta signed Lucio for free, an experienced CB, but one that seemed to be retiring from top football.
Some said he is finished, some said that he will return like Pirlo, personally i asked for a decent investment for the CB role and no cheap quick fixes, bottom line Marotta's decision backfired, no without Chiellini our defence is abused by noones and we lost a number of matches.
Every single point lost might or might not count in the end, but its on Marotta's shoulders as he has failed to provide what we needed taking the extra risk to loan out all the other option like Sorensen and trust that Peluso has any ammount of defensive solidarity to play in this level.

2- We also wanted a LB, but Marotta brought just more RBs and tried to sell Licht, some said that Chiellini would cover both the CB and LB/LWB role, i asked for a dedicated LB, someone who can complement DC providing better defensive solidarity for the matches this is more important, than DC's crosses and runs. Rumors appeared about Peluso and i called it as the worst possible option.
Conte tried Asamoah in a friendly there because the need for consistency and defensive solidarity was great and DC couldnt offer that, so he made a compromise, untill the permament solution arrives.
Unfortunately Marotta has failed again to find that LB starter and we had to settle with that quick fix, fortunately Asamoah did great there, as Conte has adapted him well there.
But as the season is long and we are likely to need him for his primary role, the need for further investment appears again and Marotta puuls a new Grosso, Zeglier again, learning nothing from his mistakes and landing the worst LB in the league, all the sacrifices and compromises made again gone in vain and starting next year we will still be looking to fix that long term issue...wasting yet more millions...

3- Our primary target was the finisher, our team under Conte became competitive enough, but we were always struggling to finish those chances and lost many easy victories in games we totally owned because of this.
This was also appeared to be our greatest fault, against the most competitive teams.
Ever since we lost Treze, we were suffering from it and far too many times we preferred opportunity targets that are primarily SSs, rather than finishers, just because they were more easy to find.
After having a load of them, one would thing that this time we will spend the bulk of our budget on smth different than CMs and SSs, besides we were holding some of the best in the league, had many talents with great potential for the future and on the top of it Marotta pulled on of his best tricks with the steal of Pogba early on the summer.

We recently suffered the Borriello fiasko and that almost cost us the championship and was the primary reason we lost the cup.
And then Marotta wastes a full summer aiming for impossible targets. And ends buying a new Borriello in Bendter...
Many excuses were made, he turned out the Quaq-Pazzini swap and some ppl said that Quaq will become more prolific this year.
He opted to spend the ammount that could have land us a Dzeko/Cavani in 2 more mids, just like we do in each and every transfer window since we lost Moggi.
And the only excuse left for his apologists, now that we were strong, had the title and CL appeal, was that Marotta had a plan to bring Llorente, (not quite the RVP/Aquero/Cavani/Dzeko some were hoping)
a decent option, at a decent price at x-mas, right on time to secure the championship and help in the most crucial CL games.

And here we are now, we failed to detect the finisher need, because DP despite being primarily a SS, he was prolific enough to compensate with enough goal ratio.
Ever since there was a series of misjudgements of forwards like Iaquinta, Amauri, Matri and Quaq and Vucinic, becoming goal poacher, or DP like prolific.
Failure after failure and millions upon millions were wasted, with me pointing out before each and every targets that it is the finishing we lack the most,
until Marotta and community finally understand that i was right all along and finally focused at bringing one.

Finishers happen to be the most expensive players they are, major investment is needed, cheap choices in our level are simply lacking smth.
So this transfer should take priority against all other, at least for one transfer window.
We needed that player last year, we have failed again and yet again to get him and what did Marotta do? Made a 2mil offer to get now a player who's the contract expires next year.
This player raised our interest in the first place, exactly because we could get him in cheap, not because he was top class.
And without considering our needs in the past 2 years, what we did was just waiting for his contract to expire so that we can get him for free...
Great plan that, but what happens in the meantime?

A temporary solution like Rossi, Drogba, Lisandro were in cards, but it seemed that Marotta was too limited to reach them and the best he could was Anelka.
The feel is that this quick fix is fairly inferior to any other offer, some claim that we should rather keep DP instead.
Time will tell if this will be prooved to be yet another Marotta fiasco, with Anelka getting injured in a couple of weeks and leave us without options for the rest of the season.

But after a summer transfer failing a get to land our primary targets and forcing us to more compromises, we can now safely judge it as the third failure in 3 years...

The next one seems promising with Llorente already in.
But was he worthy of wasting 2 years without a CF? Is he good enough to avoid the need for that +30mil acquisition in the future anyway?
Will Marotta finally find the dedicated CB and LB/LWB he has been searching since his first day with us?
Will he avoid spending the bulk of our budget on new CMs and SSs for once, this remains to be seen, but at any case, there are a lot of questions for anyone to claim that the last two season were sacrificed because next year can surely compensate for what we have been through...


Lucky us we have Conte though, despite the several strategical mistakes Marotta did, Conte has managed to get the best of the available players and fill the gaps as best as he could.
Although this year may not have the same WoW effect, considering Marotta's failure we must give an credit Conte for compensating for Marotta's inefficiencies.
And of course our investors who can splash those massive ammount of millions without getting anything back from sales, because this is by far Marotta's biggest fault,
that and the co own deals than cost us millions (like the Giovinco fiasko, another point i made about him 2 years ago and was verified this year)
 

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