Jem83

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In the summer:

1- we were seeking a fine CB sub to rotate with our 3, in order to rest them.
Marotta signed Lucio for free, an experienced CB, but one that seemed to be retiring from top football.
Some said he is finished, some said that he will return like Pirlo, personally i asked for a decent investment for the CB role and no cheap quick fixes, bottom line Marotta's decision backfired, no without Chiellini our defence is abused by noones and we lost a number of matches.
Every single point lost might or might not count in the end, but its on Marotta's shoulders as he has failed to provide what we needed taking the extra risk to loan out all the other option like Sorensen and trust that Peluso has any ammount of defensive solidarity to play in this level.

2- We also wanted a LB, but Marotta brought just more RBs and tried to sell Licht, some said that Chiellini would cover both the CB and LB/LWB role, i asked for a dedicated LB, someone who can complement DC providing better defensive solidarity for the matches this is more important, than DC's crosses and runs. Rumors appeared about Peluso and i called it as the worst possible option.
Conte tried Asamoah in a friendly there because the need for consistency and defensive solidarity was great and DC couldnt offer that, so he made a compromise, untill the permament solution arrives.
Unfortunately Marotta has failed again to find that LB starter and we had to settle with that quick fix, fortunately Asamoah did great there, as Conte has adapted him well there.
But as the season is long and we are likely to need him for his primary role, the need for further investment appears again and Marotta puuls a new Grosso, Zeglier again, learning nothing from his mistakes and landing the worst LB in the league, all the sacrifices and compromises made again gone in vain and starting next year we will still be looking to fix that long term issue...wasting yet more millions...

3- Our primary target was the finisher, our team under Conte became competitive enough, but we were always struggling to finish those chances and lost many easy victories in games we totally owned because of this.
This was also appeared to be our greatest fault, against the most competitive teams.
Ever since we lost Treze, we were suffering from it and far too many times we preferred opportunity targets that are primarily SSs, rather than finishers, just because they were more easy to find.
After having a load of them, one would thing that this time we will spend the bulk of our budget on smth different than CMs and SSs, besides we were holding some of the best in the league, had many talents with great potential for the future and on the top of it Marotta pulled on of his best tricks with the steal of Pogba early on the summer.

We recently suffered the Borriello fiasko and that almost cost us the championship and was the primary reason we lost the cup.
And then Marotta wastes a full summer aiming for impossible targets. And ends buying a new Borriello in Bendter...
Many excuses were made, he turned out the Quaq-Pazzini swap and some ppl said that Quaq will become more prolific this year.
He opted to spend the ammount that could have land us a Dzeko/Cavani in 2 more mids, just like we do in each and every transfer window since we lost Moggi.
And the only excuse left for his apologists, now that we were strong, had the title and CL appeal, was that Marotta had a plan to bring Llorente, (not quite the RVP/Aquero/Cavani/Dzeko some were hoping)
a decent option, at a decent price at x-mas, right on time to secure the championship and help in the most crucial CL games.

And here we are now, we failed to detect the finisher need, because DP despite being primarily a SS, he was prolific enough to compensate with enough goal ratio.
Ever since there was a series of misjudgements of forwards like Iaquinta, Amauri, Matri and Quaq and Vucinic, becoming goal poacher, or DP like prolific.
Failure after failure and millions upon millions were wasted, with me pointing out before each and every targets that it is the finishing we lack the most,
until Marotta and community finally understand that i was right all along and finally focused at bringing one.

Finishers happen to be the most expensive players they are, major investment is needed, cheap choices in our level are simply lacking smth.
So this transfer should take priority against all other, at least for one transfer window.
We needed that player last year, we have failed again and yet again to get him and what did Marotta do? Made a 2mil offer to get now a player who's the contract expires next year.
This player raised our interest in the first place, exactly because we could get him in cheap, not because he was top class.
And without considering our needs in the past 2 years, what we did was just waiting for his contract to expire so that we can get him for free...
Great plan that, but what happens in the meantime?

A temporary solution like Rossi, Drogba, Lisandro were in cards, but it seemed that Marotta was too limited to reach them and the best he could was Anelka.
The feel is that this quick fix is fairly inferior to any other offer, some claim that we should rather keep DP instead.
Time will tell if this will be prooved to be yet another Marotta fiasco, with Anelka getting injured in a couple of weeks and leave us without options for the rest of the season.

But after a summer transfer failing a get to land our primary targets and forcing us to more compromises, we can now safely judge it as the third failure in 3 years...

The next one seems promising with Llorente already in.
But was he worthy of wasting 2 years without a CF? Is he good enough to avoid the need for that +30mil acquisition in the future anyway?
Will Marotta finally find the dedicated CB and LB/LWB he has been searching since his first day with us?
Will he avoid spending the bulk of our budget on new CMs and SSs for once, this remains to be seen, but at any case, there are a lot of questions for anyone to claim that the last two season were sacrificed because next year can surely compensate for what we have been through...


Lucky us we have Conte though, despite the several strategical mistakes Marotta did, Conte has managed to get the best of the available players and fill the gaps as best as he could.
Although this year may not have the same WoW effect, considering Marotta's failure we must give an credit Conte for compensating for Marotta's inefficiencies.
And of course our investors who can splash those massive ammount of millions without getting anything back from sales, because this is by far Marotta's biggest fault,
that and the co own deals than cost us millions (like the Giovinco fiasko, another point i made about him 2 years ago and was verified this year)
You are right, Cronios. I'm literally in tears here. I haven't read so much truth all at once before.

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Jem83

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The Great Man even said that we wouldn't be paying money for a striker in January, so I don't know why these bitches are whining.
That's actually correct. He has been nothing but honest and fair with the supporters during this transfer window. He said at it's initiation that he wouldn't spend, and he has kept that promise!

The Great Man :touched:
 

Hust

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That's actually correct. He has been nothing but honest and fair with the supporters during this transfer window. He said at it's initiation that he wouldn't spend, and he has kept that promise!

The Great Man :touched:
But spends wages on players like Bendtner and now Anelka?

Why?

Whats the fucking point?
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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You obviously rate LL a lot and find 11m euros to be a fair price in order to get him.

Nothing wrong with that. There's no saying you'd be wrong either. I just personally believe that, even though I would like him on the team, 11m was too much.

I guess I just don't rate him as highly as you do.
Just one last reply only because I like you. I actually don't rate Lopez as I haven't seen much of him. I asked a bunch of questions about him when we were linked and I liked the replies. I also trust Klin's judgement of players and he rates them high. I also spoke about him with a friend who watches Ligue 1 and he said that Lopez is one of the five players he would take from the French league. I don't know much about him but I know much about deals that fail, the moment the reports said that everything is ready for Lopez but what is left is a disagreement between the clubs I knew the outcome. I don't mind the outcome, it's ok not to bring him for several reasons (budget, more options in the summer etc.) but the reaction. The pattern Marotta folllows, for every failed negotiation he goes and buys a panic signing. This is extremely frustrating and unhealthy in the long run.
 

Jem83

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But spends wages on players like Bendtner and now Anelka?

Why?

Whats the fucking point?
He works in mysterious ways.

But we are the current champions of Serie-A and league leaders. We won the Supercoppa Italiana and reached the final of the Coppa Italia last season, semi's this time around. We are through to the last 16 of the CL. We've scored the most goals in the league.

You guys worry too much.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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He works in mysterious ways.

But we are the current champions of Serie-A and league leaders. We won the Supercoppa Italiana and reached the final of the Coppa Italia last season, semi's this time around. We are through to the last 16 of the CL. We've scored the most goals in the league.

You guys worry too much.
Again, point is: we have needed one for some time. We have wasted WAYYYY to much money on failures in that department. Admit it.


And i'm not worried.
 

Jem83

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Just one last reply only because I like you. I actually don't rate Lopez as I haven't seen much of him. I asked a bunch of questions about him when we were linked and I liked the replies. I also trust Klin's judgement of players and he rates them high. I also spoke about him with a friend who watches Ligue 1 and he said that Lopez is one of the five players he would take from the French league. I don't know much about him but I know much about deals that fail, the moment the reports said that everything is ready for Lopez but what is left is a disagreement between the clubs I knew the outcome. I don't mind the outcome, it's ok not to bring him for several reasons (budget, more options in the summer etc.) but the reaction. The pattern Marotta folllows, for every failed negotiation he goes and buys a panic signing. This is extremely frustrating and unhealthy in the long run.
I value your opinions as well, my good man :tup:

And these are duly noted. I see Marotta's pattern too, but we probably just view it a little differently.

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Again, point is: we have needed one for some time. We have wasted WAYYYY to much money on failures in that department. Admit it.


And i'm not worried.
We do need more signings in the striker departement. But Llorente is now official, and I'm sure we'll send Anelka packing after this season, and focus on signing someone better. I think it's very likely that we'll try for Jovetic.
 

Zacheryah

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I'm having a laugh with some of these haters here

Quag was on fire his first season, when teams found out how to stop krasic, he pulled his weight and got us right in second place, close behind the leaders.
When he got that season ending injury, our season was over. we dropped from 2 to 7 without quag.

Amauri, the big money signing and decaying iaquinta had horribly failed that season, with quag out and del piero not able to perform at a high level each game, we had to go to the market.

Clubs knew this, and raped us hard to get matri. If teams know you are desperate, they make you pay much. Toni free was a gamble.
Matri payed off, scoring nearly 1 goal every 2 games . Barzagli proved an insane aquisition.

Quag never got to his best after the injury, Matri had some trouble in the 3-5-2. But both scored many goals, and are on low wages.


I can see why folk would get frustrated by that, but I find that preferable to overpaying for players - particularly when most of these players that preliminary talks seem have taken place over aren't really worth pushing the boat out for.

I'd be critical if I got the impression that Marotta was missing out on really good players over a couple of million, but I don't think that's the case.
And this is the best point off all. People act like Lissandro is great like Suarez or something.

We have Llorente for the summer, we want a solution untill the summer, that isnt going to jeopardise our summer budged.

11 mil is to much for lissandro, and llorente is far better for us, so 11 mil for a benchplayer ? seriously that would be bad business
 

Hust

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We do need more signings in the striker departement. But Llorente is now official, and I'm sure we'll send Anelka packing after this season, and focus on signing someone better. I think it's very likely that we'll try for Jovetic.
llorente doesn't come for 6 months. That move, though good, does nothing for us now. We can't speculate on "what" we will be going after anyways considering the failures in THIS department. Too much in wasted wages & transfer money its ridiculous. I've never seen a director fail on so many options before only to panic buy at the last minute.

Love what he has done for the other departments but for the strikers it has been nothing short but pathetic in regards to a natural goal scorer.
 

Jem83

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llorente doesn't come for 6 months. That move, though good, does nothing for us now. We can't speculate on "what" we will be going after anyways considering the failures in THIS department. Too much in wasted wages & transfer money its ridiculous. I've never seen a director fail on so many options before only to panic buy at the last minute.

Love what he has done for the other departments but for the strikers it has been nothing short but pathetic in regards to a natural goal scorer.
Not as bad as you portray it. Please revisit the scoring records of Matri and Quag and you'll see that it's really not all that bad. Quite good actually.

We do need upgrades, though, but they were never gonna come in freakin' January. And we were super close to getting RVP last season, but he simply wanted to play for Manchester United. Currently, the EPL is a more attractive place for players, and he was probably settled in England as well.

Next summer is gonna be all about the striker's department. Llorente on his way, and there are no other upgrades required elsewhere in the team. He'll bring in someone great next to Llorente next season.

Oh, and he also brought Giovinco this summer, I thought you were a fan of his?
 

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