Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
It's ok, you can keep insulting mere mortals like myself for not having your prophetic wisdom.
Did i said anything about your calculations or anything else?
Did i followed you around the forums trying to provoke you at any chance given, with one liners, that lack content and have anything to do with the topic?
It is you who repeatedly provoking and insulting me and this happens for months now.

I would like a mod to answer to us, what is the purpose of this forum, to talk about each other, or to talk about Juve?
Personal insults, mockeries and flame baits are unfortunately far more often seen than interesting discussion with constructive argumentations.
Such a shame this forum was once an interesting place to be, where one could find both Juve duscussion and an interesting, but you now cant really have an interesting discussion.
Because in each and every topic arguments are ignored and one line flame baits are the order... in a degree, that any serious discussion will be completely derailed in a few posts.


Meh, i believe that is merely because of the difference of age maturity, mostly... eventually those posters will grow up, hopefully.
JJ i do not understand if you are driven of pure hate, jealousy, or just a very over the top funny attitude.
But please, out of respect for this forum, for our fellow forumers, lets try to reduce the ammount of posts consumed on personal level and speak more about Juve here.
We are Juventini, we can lough and fight all we want in our houses and real life gangs, but we bother to join the forums and post here, lets keep it about Juve shall we?
Most of the posters that read the forums are reading because theu are interested to see news and arguments about Juve, not us having a quarrel...
We are wasting their time and frustrate them at their effort to find on topic discussions.
Some may like the patience or the time to go past all that mockery and personal issues, in order to reach what they are really interested.

I understand that being younger means that you have endless time and patience and wouldnt sacrifice for the world a chance for a jibe, but keep in mind that not everyone is like that and those are your Juventini brothers you are disrespecting!

If you hate me so much, just ignore me or pm me.
 

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JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,974
I think the main problem here is that you take yourself far too seriously, or at least your internet persona. Does it really matter what you predicted? No, it doesn't at all. It doesn't matter when you are right and it doesn't matter when you are wrong, and believe me, the latter happens far more than you are willing to accept.

You put yourself on a pedestal (ironic for a Greek :D [< that's a forum joke btw]) by boasting about real or mythical [just keeping them coming] things that you have foreseen, so can expect people to take potshots at you. Have a look what happens to the 'gurus' in the transfer forum.

As you point out, this is a forum. On forums you get people taking the piss out of each other. We talk about a lot of football, but we also talk about a lot of other things. I come on here for Juve news, some banter and a few laughs to pass minutes here and there. Then I see a guy taking himself very seriously and he stands out a mile.

When you make outlandish claims you will get some wrong and people will laugh at you, you either stick your neck out and prepare to get hit a few times or don't do it. When you get hit don't complain.

The other issue is that you are ultimately a hypocrite making long posts like these. You've insulted myself and others personally several times here and in other posts. Not only that, but they are space-consuming posts that go to a personal level and away from discussing Juventus.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
I think the main problem here is that you take yourself far too seriously, or at least your internet persona. Does it really matter what you predicted? No, it doesn't at all. It doesn't matter when you are right and it doesn't matter when you are wrong, and believe me, the latter happens far more than you are willing to accept.

You put yourself on a pedestal (ironic for a Greek :D [< that's a forum joke btw]) by boasting about real or mythical [just keeping them coming] things that you have foreseen, so can expect people to take potshots at you. Have a look what happens to the 'gurus' in the transfer forum.

As you point out, this is a forum. On forums you get people taking the piss out of each other. We talk about a lot of football, but we also talk about a lot of other things. I come on here for Juve news, some banter and a few laughs to pass minutes here and there. Then I see a guy taking himself very seriously and he stands out a mile.

When you make outlandish claims you will get some wrong and people will laugh at you, you either stick your neck out and prepare to get hit a few times or don't do it. When you get hit don't complain.

The other issue is that you are ultimately a hypocrite making long posts like these. You've insulted myself and others personally several times here and in other posts. Not only that, but they are space-consuming posts that go to a personal level and away from discussing Juventus.
You are seeing this wrong!

My space consuming posts have mostly Juve as a subject, i do not adress to posters, when i quote them, i adress to their argument about Juve.
Whilst when they quote me, they adress to me and ignore my arguments about Juve.
I rarely, very rarely make exceptions to this rule, when things go to far, but it is not my typical behavior.
You can verify by counting the percentage of my on the topic posts and the percentage of the on topic posts, of the typical trolls we have.

It is not my fault that too many posters are consumed with the flame baits among them and they do not make predictions and assessments about Juve.
For this the reason we are here, not to win a jack ass popularity contest.
It is neither my fault that some are to afraid to make such claim, only because that they know that their arguments will be twisted and be used against them.
Actually thats the biggest proof that i rate forum popularity lower than them.

I never boasted about my predictions, but when i am repeatedly faced with the same arguments again and again, and the i see our board repreating the same mistakes, again and again, i simply remind the past, so we can avoid making the same mistake in the future.

For ex, i was talking about the trend of investing everything we have on CMs and SSs subs and ignoring the strengtheing of our defense.
Young forum members, who mostly are interested of dribbling, simply ignore the defensive issues and blindly support the transfer director.
The season goes by and our efforts are waster by repeatedly defensive blunders.
Next year, the same mistake happens and i see the same or new posters to yet again ignore the defensive issues and crave again for new dribblers.
And i then and there have to remind them what happened last year, so this when and where i use "but hey man, the exactly same BS happened to us last year and the year before that...and before that...", not to boast, but to remind the facts, to remind the reasons we have suffered so much.
I do not wish it to be the iwin argument, but when i see some ppl completely ignore or forget what happened in the past years,
this is one of the arguments that can be used to give them perspective. "Learn about the past, avoid making the same mistakes".
Or "do you remember what happened to us last year because of this? lets try not to forget this time".
As i was there i season before the joined those forums, spotted this weakness in our defense, a season before, i was there in the whole season watching how this weakness made us suffer that much, match every match, pointing out this weakness, both in the live threads and after match reports.
This is what i wish to remind, not to boast! I m sorry that some ppl see it as boast, i wish they shouldnt, it is not my intention, i dont think like that, thats why it never occured to me this way.
It is not my fault that our transfer directors repeat the same mistakes for each and every year, in the past 7 years.
Honestly i would love them to prove me wrong, for the good of Juve.

As an example, i believe that the latest crop of Italian defenders are crappy.
I believe it is a mistake to invest on them and keep suffering so much.
Some of them, like Molinaro, Legro, Grosso and Motta should not our transfers.
IMO, we should make other sacrifices to replace them, i ve been saying this for years and we have been suffering from this for years.
I never saw anyone for giving any credit for being right when we have sold Moli and significantly upgraded our defense.
Neither in many other similar cases, but i dont mind/bother, my aim of criticism is not to boast, but to improve Juve.

I was sad to see Juve suffering because of stupid nationalism reasons.

I was jubilant to see us signing Licht even Caceres and Lucio, because this marks the end of the ItalJuve project.

You are the one who is keep provoking me, using my post as a signature, avoid on the topic arguments and bring in personal insults.
For every one insult you will find in my post, i can find 10 in your posts.
And unlike mine, yours are agressive, whilst i only defend my self.

Its easy to stay back and launch personal insults, braindead animated gifs, one liners that lack any content etc.
Whats hard is to be a man and stand up for your opinion, bring some constructive arguments.
I never said that i am the Pope, i just have my opinion and i am presenting it with arguments and thats why i am here, to see and interact with other ppl;s arguments, thats what i hope for.

But unfortunately instead of arguments, i mostly see one liners without any content.

Some times, having an opinion is considered an insult in here.
Deneb for ex, if he sees an opinion different than his, he attacks it with personal insults, without bothering to mention why...
No arguments, not even merely the reason he got angry with the poster who dared to post his opinions with arguments, just a plain attack on the poster.

Is this forum owned my some sort of dictatorism that denies to anyone having an opinion?
Are there any rules of what kind of opinion one has the reason to have and talk about?

According to the forum rules there arent. But whe then some of the members are prosecuted when they bear some??
IMO it should be considered when you attack the forumer and not his argument.
The attampt to defame the poster, is mostly used when the attackers cannot confront his argument.
So in my opinion, such an attack automatically confirms that the arguments is bulletproof and victim has won the argument...

I have been massed attacked countless times for making, what i believed to be a logical and objective observation, that if we keep on like that, we wont be competitive (rank bellow the top 2) neither win more than a championship in the next 10 years, if we dont change strategy.
Me and 3-4 other posters against the whole freakin forum.
Why should i be attacked for having an opinion, why should i be called a pessimist, since this was the realistic approach?
When the AA took over he have confirmed the very arguments i have being made for all those years.
The new coaches have been confirming the mistakes i criticised on the previous ones, the new transfer director confirmed the mistakes i critised on the previous one.

This what i mean when i say that history have proved me correct.
That and the fact that unlike most the youngers forumers, i have more experiences from our history in the past, i care more about managerial decision, than most of the casual fans and therefore i watched the developent with a closer eye, allowing me to make a more precise prediction (not psyhic power)
and finally the fact that in many of my arguments, i m worried about the future ahead, not just the coming season.

The plethora of arguments and the fact that they have been confirmed so many times, again and again.
Has lead some of the forumers to hate me, i dont know if it is just jealousy or any other stupid reason and frankly i dont care.
But i will not make the favor to stop making my predictions and assements only because of that, as long as this is an open forum, i will keep presenting my opinion and my arguments.

My intention is not boasting, popularity contests and all the other stuff that might interest some, they can have them for all i care for...
My intention is that there will be a place clean of the popularity BS, when a Juventino could bring up an argument and talk about, without having to face trolls of haters.

If you dont like my posts, feel free to ignore them, most of my posts you have quoted were not adressed to you and contained arguments you have completely ignored.
If you have a different opinion, feel free to discuss it, i honestly i ll keep no harsh feelings and will discuss it with you civilised.
If you dont have the patience to enter in a debate with me, make your self and the forum a fover and ignore me.

And not just you, who ever considers my posts too long/boring/repetitive/pessimistic or whatever, just ignore them!
You are not obliged to read them, this is a free forum!
Like you can post your arguments without having to think what whould i say about them, the same rule applies to me too.
Dont take everything personally.

Some forumers may enjoy reading a well structured long post, that present a point of view in great detail, with the help of arguments and facts, you might be aware of and him not.
I take my take to write for them, without any disrespect for you, than you dont care about my posts.
I wish there was a way to make my posts invisible to you, if they bother you that much... and until Martin adds such an option, feel free to add me in your ignore list. This will work for the best of all of us!
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,115
You are seeing this wrong!

My space consuming posts have mostly Juve as a subject, i do not adress to posters, when i quote them, i adress to their argument about Juve.
Whilst when they quote me, they adress to me and ignore my arguments about Juve.
I rarely, very rarely make exceptions to this rule, when things go to far, but it is not my typical behavior.
You can verify by counting the percentage of my on the topic posts and the percentage of the on topic posts, of the typical trolls we have.

It is not my fault that too many posters are consumed with the flame baits among them and they do not make predictions and assessments about Juve.
For this the reason we are here, not to win a jack ass popularity contest.
It is neither my fault that some are to afraid to make such claim, only because that they know that their arguments will be twisted and be used against them.
Actually thats the biggest proof that i rate forum popularity lower than them.

I never boasted about my predictions, but when i am repeatedly faced with the same arguments again and again, and the i see our board repreating the same mistakes, again and again, i simply remind the past, so we can avoid making the same mistake in the future.

For ex, i was talking about the trend of investing everything we have on CMs and SSs subs and ignoring the strengtheing of our defense.
Young forum members, who mostly are interested of dribbling, simply ignore the defensive issues and blindly support the transfer director.
The season goes by and our efforts are waster by repeatedly defensive blunders.
Next year, the same mistake happens and i see the same or new posters to yet again ignore the defensive issues and crave again for new dribblers.
And i then and there have to remind them what happened last year, so this when and where i use "but hey man, the exactly same BS happened to us last year and the year before that...and before that...", not to boast, but to remind the facts, to remind the reasons we have suffered so much.
I do not wish it to be the iwin argument, but when i see some ppl completely ignore or forget what happened in the past years,
this is one of the arguments that can be used to give them perspective. "Learn about the past, avoid making the same mistakes".
Or "do you remember what happened to us last year because of this? lets try not to forget this time".
As i was there i season before the joined those forums, spotted this weakness in our defense, a season before, i was there in the whole season watching how this weakness made us suffer that much, match every match, pointing out this weakness, both in the live threads and after match reports.
This is what i wish to remind, not to boast! I m sorry that some ppl see it as boast, i wish they shouldnt, it is not my intention, i dont think like that, thats why it never occured to me this way.
It is not my fault that our transfer directors repeat the same mistakes for each and every year, in the past 7 years.
Honestly i would love them to prove me wrong, for the good of Juve.

As an example, i believe that the latest crop of Italian defenders are crappy.
I believe it is a mistake to invest on them and keep suffering so much.
Some of them, like Molinaro, Legro, Grosso and Motta should not our transfers.
IMO, we should make other sacrifices to replace them, i ve been saying this for years and we have been suffering from this for years.
I never saw anyone for giving any credit for being right when we have sold Moli and significantly upgraded our defense.
Neither in many other similar cases, but i dont mind/bother, my aim of criticism is not to boast, but to improve Juve.

I was sad to see Juve suffering because of stupid nationalism reasons.

I was jubilant to see us signing Licht even Caceres and Lucio, because this marks the end of the ItalJuve project.

You are the one who is keep provoking me, using my post as a signature, avoid on the topic arguments and bring in personal insults.
For every one insult you will find in my post, i can find 10 in your posts.
And unlike mine, yours are agressive, whilst i only defend my self.

Its easy to stay back and launch personal insults, braindead animated gifs, one liners that lack any content etc.
Whats hard is to be a man and stand up for your opinion, bring some constructive arguments.
I never said that i am the Pope, i just have my opinion and i am presenting it with arguments and thats why i am here, to see and interact with other ppl;s arguments, thats what i hope for.

But unfortunately instead of arguments, i mostly see one liners without any content.

Some times, having an opinion is considered an insult in here.
Deneb for ex, if he sees an opinion different than his, he attacks it with personal insults, without bothering to mention why...
No arguments, not even merely the reason he got angry with the poster who dared to post his opinions with arguments, just a plain attack on the poster.

Is this forum owned my some sort of dictatorism that denies to anyone having an opinion?
Are there any rules of what kind of opinion one has the reason to have and talk about?

According to the forum rules there arent. But whe then some of the members are prosecuted when they bear some??
IMO it should be considered when you attack the forumer and not his argument.
The attampt to defame the poster, is mostly used when the attackers cannot confront his argument.
So in my opinion, such an attack automatically confirms that the arguments is bulletproof and victim has won the argument...

I have been massed attacked countless times for making, what i believed to be a logical and objective observation, that if we keep on like that, we wont be competitive (rank bellow the top 2) neither win more than a championship in the next 10 years, if we dont change strategy.
Me and 3-4 other posters against the whole freakin forum.
Why should i be attacked for having an opinion, why should i be called a pessimist, since this was the realistic approach?
When the AA took over he have confirmed the very arguments i have being made for all those years.
The new coaches have been confirming the mistakes i criticised on the previous ones, the new transfer director confirmed the mistakes i critised on the previous one.

This what i mean when i say that history have proved me correct.
That and the fact that unlike most the youngers forumers, i have more experiences from our history in the past, i care more about managerial decision, than most of the casual fans and therefore i watched the developent with a closer eye, allowing me to make a more precise prediction (not psyhic power)
and finally the fact that in many of my arguments, i m worried about the future ahead, not just the coming season.

The plethora of arguments and the fact that they have been confirmed so many times, again and again.
Has lead some of the forumers to hate me, i dont know if it is just jealousy or any other stupid reason and frankly i dont care.
But i will not make the favor to stop making my predictions and assements only because of that, as long as this is an open forum, i will keep presenting my opinion and my arguments.

My intention is not boasting, popularity contests and all the other stuff that might interest some, they can have them for all i care for...
My intention is that there will be a place clean of the popularity BS, when a Juventino could bring up an argument and talk about, without having to face trolls of haters.

If you dont like my posts, feel free to ignore them, most of my posts you have quoted were not adressed to you and contained arguments you have completely ignored.
If you have a different opinion, feel free to discuss it, i honestly i ll keep no harsh feelings and will discuss it with you civilised.
If you dont have the patience to enter in a debate with me, make your self and the forum a fover and ignore me.

And not just you, who ever considers my posts too long/boring/repetitive/pessimistic or whatever, just ignore them!
You are not obliged to read them, this is a free forum!
Like you can post your arguments without having to think what whould i say about them, the same rule applies to me too.
Dont take everything personally.

Some forumers may enjoy reading a well structured long post, that present a point of view in great detail, with the help of arguments and facts, you might be aware of and him not.
I take my take to write for them, without any disrespect for you, than you dont care about my posts.
I wish there was a way to make my posts invisible to you, if they bother you that much... and until Martin adds such an option, feel free to add me in your ignore list. This will work for the best of all of us!

After an undefeated season, a return to our rightful place in the CL, a very good mercato so far and possibly starting a reign of dominance in Italy for many years to come, you still find the need to be pessimistic. We just really don't get it, Cron.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
You are seeing this wrong!

My space consuming posts have mostly Juve as a subject, i do not adress to posters, when i quote them, i adress to their argument about Juve.
Whilst when they quote me, they adress to me and ignore my arguments about Juve.
I rarely, very rarely make exceptions to this rule, when things go to far, but it is not my typical behavior.
You can verify by counting the percentage of my on the topic posts and the percentage of the on topic posts, of the typical trolls we have.

It is not my fault that too many posters are consumed with the flame baits among them and they do not make predictions and assessments about Juve.
For this the reason we are here, not to win a jack ass popularity contest.
It is neither my fault that some are to afraid to make such claim, only because that they know that their arguments will be twisted and be used against them.
Actually thats the biggest proof that i rate forum popularity lower than them.

I never boasted about my predictions, but when i am repeatedly faced with the same arguments again and again, and the i see our board repreating the same mistakes, again and again, i simply remind the past, so we can avoid making the same mistake in the future.

For ex, i was talking about the trend of investing everything we have on CMs and SSs subs and ignoring the strengtheing of our defense.
Young forum members, who mostly are interested of dribbling, simply ignore the defensive issues and blindly support the transfer director.
The season goes by and our efforts are waster by repeatedly defensive blunders.
Next year, the same mistake happens and i see the same or new posters to yet again ignore the defensive issues and crave again for new dribblers.
And i then and there have to remind them what happened last year, so this when and where i use "but hey man, the exactly same BS happened to us last year and the year before that...and before that...", not to boast, but to remind the facts, to remind the reasons we have suffered so much.
I do not wish it to be the iwin argument, but when i see some ppl completely ignore or forget what happened in the past years,
this is one of the arguments that can be used to give them perspective. "Learn about the past, avoid making the same mistakes".
Or "do you remember what happened to us last year because of this? lets try not to forget this time".
As i was there i season before the joined those forums, spotted this weakness in our defense, a season before, i was there in the whole season watching how this weakness made us suffer that much, match every match, pointing out this weakness, both in the live threads and after match reports.
This is what i wish to remind, not to boast! I m sorry that some ppl see it as boast, i wish they shouldnt, it is not my intention, i dont think like that, thats why it never occured to me this way.
It is not my fault that our transfer directors repeat the same mistakes for each and every year, in the past 7 years.
Honestly i would love them to prove me wrong, for the good of Juve.

As an example, i believe that the latest crop of Italian defenders are crappy.
I believe it is a mistake to invest on them and keep suffering so much.
Some of them, like Molinaro, Legro, Grosso and Motta should not our transfers.
IMO, we should make other sacrifices to replace them, i ve been saying this for years and we have been suffering from this for years.
I never saw anyone for giving any credit for being right when we have sold Moli and significantly upgraded our defense.
Neither in many other similar cases, but i dont mind/bother, my aim of criticism is not to boast, but to improve Juve.

I was sad to see Juve suffering because of stupid nationalism reasons.

I was jubilant to see us signing Licht even Caceres and Lucio, because this marks the end of the ItalJuve project.

You are the one who is keep provoking me, using my post as a signature, avoid on the topic arguments and bring in personal insults.
For every one insult you will find in my post, i can find 10 in your posts.
And unlike mine, yours are agressive, whilst i only defend my self.

Its easy to stay back and launch personal insults, braindead animated gifs, one liners that lack any content etc.
Whats hard is to be a man and stand up for your opinion, bring some constructive arguments.
I never said that i am the Pope, i just have my opinion and i am presenting it with arguments and thats why i am here, to see and interact with other ppl;s arguments, thats what i hope for.

But unfortunately instead of arguments, i mostly see one liners without any content.

Some times, having an opinion is considered an insult in here.
Deneb for ex, if he sees an opinion different than his, he attacks it with personal insults, without bothering to mention why...
No arguments, not even merely the reason he got angry with the poster who dared to post his opinions with arguments, just a plain attack on the poster.

Is this forum owned my some sort of dictatorism that denies to anyone having an opinion?
Are there any rules of what kind of opinion one has the reason to have and talk about?

According to the forum rules there arent. But whe then some of the members are prosecuted when they bear some??
IMO it should be considered when you attack the forumer and not his argument.
The attampt to defame the poster, is mostly used when the attackers cannot confront his argument.
So in my opinion, such an attack automatically confirms that the arguments is bulletproof and victim has won the argument...

I have been massed attacked countless times for making, what i believed to be a logical and objective observation, that if we keep on like that, we wont be competitive (rank bellow the top 2) neither win more than a championship in the next 10 years, if we dont change strategy.
Me and 3-4 other posters against the whole freakin forum.
Why should i be attacked for having an opinion, why should i be called a pessimist, since this was the realistic approach?
When the AA took over he have confirmed the very arguments i have being made for all those years.
The new coaches have been confirming the mistakes i criticised on the previous ones, the new transfer director confirmed the mistakes i critised on the previous one.

This what i mean when i say that history have proved me correct.
That and the fact that unlike most the youngers forumers, i have more experiences from our history in the past, i care more about managerial decision, than most of the casual fans and therefore i watched the developent with a closer eye, allowing me to make a more precise prediction (not psyhic power)
and finally the fact that in many of my arguments, i m worried about the future ahead, not just the coming season.

The plethora of arguments and the fact that they have been confirmed so many times, again and again.
Has lead some of the forumers to hate me, i dont know if it is just jealousy or any other stupid reason and frankly i dont care.
But i will not make the favor to stop making my predictions and assements only because of that, as long as this is an open forum, i will keep presenting my opinion and my arguments.

My intention is not boasting, popularity contests and all the other stuff that might interest some, they can have them for all i care for...
My intention is that there will be a place clean of the popularity BS, when a Juventino could bring up an argument and talk about, without having to face trolls of haters.

If you dont like my posts, feel free to ignore them, most of my posts you have quoted were not adressed to you and contained arguments you have completely ignored.
If you have a different opinion, feel free to discuss it, i honestly i ll keep no harsh feelings and will discuss it with you civilised.
If you dont have the patience to enter in a debate with me, make your self and the forum a fover and ignore me.

And not just you, who ever considers my posts too long/boring/repetitive/pessimistic or whatever, just ignore them!
You are not obliged to read them, this is a free forum!
Like you can post your arguments without having to think what whould i say about them, the same rule applies to me too.
Dont take everything personally.

Some forumers may enjoy reading a well structured long post, that present a point of view in great detail, with the help of arguments and facts, you might be aware of and him not.
I take my take to write for them, without any disrespect for you, than you dont care about my posts.
I wish there was a way to make my posts invisible to you, if they bother you that much... and until Martin adds such an option, feel free to add me in your ignore list. This will work for the best of all of us!
Well, cron, in my eyes its fairly easy to see what direction we are heading

first some facts

-We come from an undefeated season
-Our central midfield that marotta bought+marchisio who was remade from the ashes by conte our savoir, was by far our biggest strenght. we fucking killed the entire serie a with it
-We remained undefeated, and had a simply impressive defensive record, but we never play'd defensive, allways pressed the opponent, allways wanted to inforce will, our defence record was so good, because our defence is good
-bonucci grew alot and was our best defender on the EK, barzagli was the defender of the season in italy.
-strikermarket is having flaws because the rich cunts refuse to start it, napoli want to rob us blind for cavani and fiorentina is forgetting they are backalleywhores who will have to sell stevan
-we cannot kick of strikermarket by ourselves because we dont quite have the financial punch for it

so what did we do ?

-We solidated our midfield with isla and asamoah, making it now extremely superior over anything in italy
- with armero, our selection would be the best in the world to man a balanced 3-5-2 midfield in our playstyle
- While doing that, we also got another commanding cb to stand in for barzagli, at a low fee. we can also irritate la merda with him #lucio
-before doing that, we also got dat boy giovinco, wich is allways nice to have.
- after doing that, we also got two massive talents with masi and boakye.
-because we had to wait for the strikermarket to kick off, we greatly increased our squad

what are we missing

-considering we got such fantastic midfield, a great defence for 4 or 3+wingsbacks,
->We miss a striker upfront, and the budged to buy him
-> We need to sell players to get that budged
->since strikermarket refuses to take off, its good we strenghtened the team first, sold stuff second, and got that striker third.

wellplayd marotta

Stadium is tiny though.
Well, its extremely imposing because of the atmosphere to opponents, and its near full every game
we can technically extend to 52k places afaik, but i want to see us keeping up the ticketsales rate, let alone sell out each game
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,837
You are seeing this wrong!

My space consuming posts have mostly Juve as a subject, i do not adress to posters, when i quote them, i adress to their argument about Juve.
Whilst when they quote me, they adress to me and ignore my arguments about Juve.
I rarely, very rarely make exceptions to this rule, when things go to far, but it is not my typical behavior.
You can verify by counting the percentage of my on the topic posts and the percentage of the on topic posts, of the typical trolls we have.

It is not my fault that too many posters are consumed with the flame baits among them and they do not make predictions and assessments about Juve.
For this the reason we are here, not to win a jack ass popularity contest.
It is neither my fault that some are to afraid to make such claim, only because that they know that their arguments will be twisted and be used against them.
Actually thats the biggest proof that i rate forum popularity lower than them.

I never boasted about my predictions, but when i am repeatedly faced with the same arguments again and again, and the i see our board repreating the same mistakes, again and again, i simply remind the past, so we can avoid making the same mistake in the future.

For ex, i was talking about the trend of investing everything we have on CMs and SSs subs and ignoring the strengtheing of our defense.
Young forum members, who mostly are interested of dribbling, simply ignore the defensive issues and blindly support the transfer director.
The season goes by and our efforts are waster by repeatedly defensive blunders.
Next year, the same mistake happens and i see the same or new posters to yet again ignore the defensive issues and crave again for new dribblers.
And i then and there have to remind them what happened last year, so this when and where i use "but hey man, the exactly same BS happened to us last year and the year before that...and before that...", not to boast, but to remind the facts, to remind the reasons we have suffered so much.
I do not wish it to be the iwin argument, but when i see some ppl completely ignore or forget what happened in the past years,
this is one of the arguments that can be used to give them perspective. "Learn about the past, avoid making the same mistakes".
Or "do you remember what happened to us last year because of this? lets try not to forget this time".
As i was there i season before the joined those forums, spotted this weakness in our defense, a season before, i was there in the whole season watching how this weakness made us suffer that much, match every match, pointing out this weakness, both in the live threads and after match reports.
This is what i wish to remind, not to boast! I m sorry that some ppl see it as boast, i wish they shouldnt, it is not my intention, i dont think like that, thats why it never occured to me this way.
It is not my fault that our transfer directors repeat the same mistakes for each and every year, in the past 7 years.
Honestly i would love them to prove me wrong, for the good of Juve.

As an example, i believe that the latest crop of Italian defenders are crappy.
I believe it is a mistake to invest on them and keep suffering so much.
Some of them, like Molinaro, Legro, Grosso and Motta should not our transfers.
IMO, we should make other sacrifices to replace them, i ve been saying this for years and we have been suffering from this for years.
I never saw anyone for giving any credit for being right when we have sold Moli and significantly upgraded our defense.
Neither in many other similar cases, but i dont mind/bother, my aim of criticism is not to boast, but to improve Juve.

I was sad to see Juve suffering because of stupid nationalism reasons.

I was jubilant to see us signing Licht even Caceres and Lucio, because this marks the end of the ItalJuve project.

You are the one who is keep provoking me, using my post as a signature, avoid on the topic arguments and bring in personal insults.
For every one insult you will find in my post, i can find 10 in your posts.
And unlike mine, yours are agressive, whilst i only defend my self.

Its easy to stay back and launch personal insults, braindead animated gifs, one liners that lack any content etc.
Whats hard is to be a man and stand up for your opinion, bring some constructive arguments.
I never said that i am the Pope, i just have my opinion and i am presenting it with arguments and thats why i am here, to see and interact with other ppl;s arguments, thats what i hope for.

But unfortunately instead of arguments, i mostly see one liners without any content.

Some times, having an opinion is considered an insult in here.
Deneb for ex, if he sees an opinion different than his, he attacks it with personal insults, without bothering to mention why...
No arguments, not even merely the reason he got angry with the poster who dared to post his opinions with arguments, just a plain attack on the poster.

Is this forum owned my some sort of dictatorism that denies to anyone having an opinion?
Are there any rules of what kind of opinion one has the reason to have and talk about?

According to the forum rules there arent. But whe then some of the members are prosecuted when they bear some??
IMO it should be considered when you attack the forumer and not his argument.
The attampt to defame the poster, is mostly used when the attackers cannot confront his argument.
So in my opinion, such an attack automatically confirms that the arguments is bulletproof and victim has won the argument...

I have been massed attacked countless times for making, what i believed to be a logical and objective observation, that if we keep on like that, we wont be competitive (rank bellow the top 2) neither win more than a championship in the next 10 years, if we dont change strategy.
Me and 3-4 other posters against the whole freakin forum.
Why should i be attacked for having an opinion, why should i be called a pessimist, since this was the realistic approach?
When the AA took over he have confirmed the very arguments i have being made for all those years.
The new coaches have been confirming the mistakes i criticised on the previous ones, the new transfer director confirmed the mistakes i critised on the previous one.

This what i mean when i say that history have proved me correct.
That and the fact that unlike most the youngers forumers, i have more experiences from our history in the past, i care more about managerial decision, than most of the casual fans and therefore i watched the developent with a closer eye, allowing me to make a more precise prediction (not psyhic power)
and finally the fact that in many of my arguments, i m worried about the future ahead, not just the coming season.

The plethora of arguments and the fact that they have been confirmed so many times, again and again.
Has lead some of the forumers to hate me, i dont know if it is just jealousy or any other stupid reason and frankly i dont care.
But i will not make the favor to stop making my predictions and assements only because of that, as long as this is an open forum, i will keep presenting my opinion and my arguments.

My intention is not boasting, popularity contests and all the other stuff that might interest some, they can have them for all i care for...
My intention is that there will be a place clean of the popularity BS, when a Juventino could bring up an argument and talk about, without having to face trolls of haters.

If you dont like my posts, feel free to ignore them, most of my posts you have quoted were not adressed to you and contained arguments you have completely ignored.
If you have a different opinion, feel free to discuss it, i honestly i ll keep no harsh feelings and will discuss it with you civilised.
If you dont have the patience to enter in a debate with me, make your self and the forum a fover and ignore me.

And not just you, who ever considers my posts too long/boring/repetitive/pessimistic or whatever, just ignore them!
You are not obliged to read them, this is a free forum!
Like you can post your arguments without having to think what whould i say about them, the same rule applies to me too.
Dont take everything personally.

Some forumers may enjoy reading a well structured long post, that present a point of view in great detail, with the help of arguments and facts, you might be aware of and him not.
I take my take to write for them, without any disrespect for you, than you dont care about my posts.
I wish there was a way to make my posts invisible to you, if they bother you that much... and until Martin adds such an option, feel free to add me in your ignore list. This will work for the best of all of us!

i have no time for your retarded idiotic opinions, you are nothing but a liar and a hypocrite, and history, the forum history that is, with actual tangible facts, your posts, can prove everything we say about you.

btw guys i need your help, how much money did marotta personally make off the martinez deal?
 

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