Giuseppe Marotta (448 Viewers)

[Trequartista]

Martinez and Boriello were the worst moves by far.

Getting rid of Trez.

 

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[baggio]

I asked if you wanted to spend 15M on Nainggolan to be a bench player?

Because in your post you were upset we went from him to Padoin.

Ok, to answer your question, and specifically with regard to this case, I would be happier spending 15m on Naingollan, knowing that he would come good in a CL season when there would be a lot more rotation on three fronts, than spending 5m on Padoin who is nowhere near the same quality of player. And will eventually need cover, which again may cost us some amount of money. So the same 10m that we saved may have to be reinvested coz I don't see Padoin as good enough. Is he better than Pazienza, in anyway for example?

 

[Salvatore]

Everything to do with Trezeguet was the worst. Martínez doesn't even compare.

But yay, lets keep Iaquinta and fucking Amanda.

 

[KB824]

Martinez and Boriello were the worst moves by far.

One they are stuck with, the other, (hopefully), they are not.

 

[MikeM]

Ok, to answer your question, and specifically with regard to this case, I would be happier spending 15m on Naingollan, knowing that he would come good in a CL season when there would be a lot more rotation on three fronts, than spending 5m on Padoin who is nowhere near the same quality of player. And will eventually need cover, which again may cost us some amount of money. So the same 10m that we saved may have to be reinvested coz I don't see Padoin as good enough. Is he better than Pazienza, in anyway for example?

So you would sign someone for 15M to be on the bench. And he's not even that good. We got Mirko, Vidal and Licht for less than that.

You making fun of Marotta but willing to sign Nainggolan for 15M to ride the bench and to "rotate" next year. What do you think Quagliarella and Matri will be doing next year (the signings you criticized)? They will be rotating.

 

[baggio]

So you would sign someone for 15M to be on the bench. And he's not even that good. We got Mirko, Vidal and Licht for less than that. Glad we're done here.

I dunno if you've read, but we are in the market for another CM, in the 15m category. The reason is that we are going to be having more game time, with the Champions League. Does that mean this guy is coming as a bench player?

You're welcome.

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Everything to do with Trezeguet was the worst.

I remember that time man. Never going to forget it. Treated our legend like a ragpicker.

 

[KB824]

I can see both points in the Nainggolan debate.

15 million is an awful lot to spend on a midfielder who is not guaranteed first team football. The key to this is the timeline involved. Juve are not in the CL now, so in essence, that would have been too much to spend on another midfielder, and Padoin, for what he does (versatility), makes more sense at 5 million.


However, Baggio has a valid point as well in regards to "forward thinking". If Juve makes the CL, which thanks to teams like Lazio and Udinese, are starting to make it sound more like a reality than a fantasy, the midfield cover would have been taken care of in advance of the pending CL season next year.

 

[MikeM]

I dunno if you've read, but we are in the market for another CM, in the 15m category. The reason is that we are going to be having more game time, with the Champions League. Does that mean this guy is coming as a bench player?

You're welcome.

---------- Post added 19.03.2012 at 19:38 ----------



I remember that time man. Never going to forget it. Treated our legend like a ragpicker.

And we will need backup strikers too.

So when Marotta buys Quag and Matri to start for us this year, gain CL and then be backups next year or to "rotate", he's the worst SD ever but when you buy Nainggolan for 15M just to "rotate" next year, you are smarter than him?

LOL

---------- Post added 19.03.2012 at 10:12 ----------

I can see both points in the Nainggolan debate.

15 million is an awful lot to spend on a midfielder who is not guaranteed first team football. The key to this is the timeline involved. Juve are not in the CL now, so in essence, that would have been too much to spend on another midfielder, and Padoin, for what he does (versatility), makes more sense at 5 million.


However, Baggio has a valid point as well in regards to "forward thinking". If Juve makes the CL, which thanks to teams like Lazio and Udinese, are starting to make it sound more like a reality than a fantasy, the midfield cover would have been taken care of in advance of the pending CL season next year.

That's what Marotta has been doing all year! Taking care of it in advance. What do you think Bonucci, Pepe, Matri, Quag, Giach are?! They are all cover. But the difference is he paid for them to get us into CL and then be cover.

 

[baggio]

And we will need backup strikers too.

So when Marotta buys Quag and Matri to start for us this year, gain CL and then be backups next year or to "rotate", he's the worst SD ever but when you buy Nainggolan for 15M just to "rotate" next year, you are smarter than him?

Actually, one of the main reasons we failed to qualify for the CL last year, is Marrotta, for this very policy. Normally, how it works is, you buy your starters first and then you add depth. Marrotta got what he paid for: 7th place. And don't blame Del Neri for that.

The only reason we appear healthy this season, is because of the kind of football we play, not because of 'quality individuals' because we don't have any. In two years, and the amount of money we've spent, it's a pity that half those individuals may even not remain at the club. So please don't call that planning.

You seem to have misunderstood my referral to Naingollan. The point is, that we are anyway going to be buying a CM in the summer, and if we were thinking long term, it made sense to go for Naingollan in Jan well ahead of any competition from other clubs, so we would not only fill that position for the upcoming season, but also add impetus to our challenge for the Scudetto. Padoin, unfortunately brings nothing to the table, and even as a substitute, it could be argued there would be better options out there than him. Starting with the person he replaced: Pazienza.

 

[MikeM]

I see your point. You wanted Marotta to buy 11 players that were all great quality and would play all 38+ matches and not waste a penny on the bench or on other players who could compete for starting spots. Do you live in reality? There are so many variables in building a team that it is impossible to predict who will be your starter, who will get hurt, who will not fit the coach, who will get benched because others have risen. Unless you are buying the World XI, it's impossible to get everything right from the get go.

Please stop with Nainggolan vs. Padoin. They don't even play the same fucking position. I don't even know what you're comparing. We didn't sign Padoin as an alternative to Radja. Do you watch our games? Padoin is playing on the flank. Holy shit.

 

[baggio]

I see your point. You wanted Marotta to buy 11 players that were all great quality and would play all 38+ matches and not waste a penny on the bench or on other players who could compete for starting spots. Do you live in reality? There are so many variables in building a team that it is impossible to predict who will be your starter, who will get hurt, who will not fit the coach, who will get benched because others have risen. Unless you are buying the World XI, it's impossible to get everything right from the get go.

Please stop with Nainggolan vs. Padoin. They don't even play the same fucking position. I don't even know what you're comparing. We didn't sign Padoin as an alternative to Radja. Do you watch our games? Padoin is playing on the flank. Holy shit.

This is where you're losing the plot a little bit. I didn't want Marrotta to buy 11 players in the first place, especially in his first season here. But believe it or not he did. And when you do that, given all the variables you talk about you are never ever going to get optimum results. The bench that you're so obsessed with wouldn't need such massive investment if there wasn't such an overhaul. When you build a team, the first step to go about it, is gradually phasing out players and replacing them. The key is evolution, not revolution.

This isn't about Naingollan vs Padoin just as players. It's them pitted against each other as investments and priorities. Naingollan was perhaps a bigger priority in the overall scheme of things. And as for Padoin playing on the flank? Did we need cover for that????

Holy shit. You can say that again.

 

[JuveJay]

Pointless talking about Nainggolan anyway, Cagliari wouldn't sell him as he didn't want to move, and he won't join us this summer either. He's already put his cards on the table.

 

[Suns]

You can't compare different SD's to each other. Every SD has their own budget and their own team to work by. We have no idea how someone like for example Marino would work here. In Juventus, Hamsik and Lavezzi wouldn't get the same opportunities to grow. What I don't like about Marotta in Juventus is that fills the team up with player that have no business being here. Maybe in Genoa or some middle team like that he'd be the bee's knees if he signed guys like Padoin, Borriello, Pazienza, Martinez, Quag, Giaccherini and Estigarribia etc etc. I don't expect us to get Aguero(never believed he'd be here) but I do expect us bring in stars from other leagues like France, Germany, Portugal and guys that are somewhere in between Giaccherini and Aguero.

 

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[MikeM]

You can't compare different SD's to each other. Every SD has their own budget and their own team to work by. We have no idea how someone like for example Marino would work here. In Juventus, Hamsik and Lavezzi wouldn't get the same opportunities to grow. What I don't like about Marotta in Juventus is that fills the team up with player that have no business being here. Maybe in Genoa or some middle team like that he'd be the bee's knees if he signed guys like Padoin, Borriello, Pazienza, Martinez, Quag, Giaccherini and Estigarribia etc etc. I don't expect us to get Aguero(never believed he'd be here) but I do expect us bring in stars from other leagues like France, Germany, Portugal and guys that are somewhere in between Giaccherini and Aguero.

So you mean like Vucinic? Does it matter where they're from?

 

[Suns]

So you mean like Vucinic? Does it matter where they're from?

It doesn't matter where they are from but if you perform really well in another league that could translate into the same thing in Italy. But if you sign scrubs in from Italy they'll still be scrubs. And when I talk about other leagues I mean the best players in those leagues.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Martinez and Boriello were the worst moves by far.

Nah that whole sell Diego and Trez last minute to replace with Quagliarella stands out before the rest.

 

[JuveJay]

I know what you are saying, guys like Hazard, Falcao, Hulk, Reus etc. Maybe some are just too much crazy money or they want to go elsewhere (see Hazard or even Agüero in a similar context), but I won't disagree that one of that calibre of player would have gone down better than what we spent on Elia + 5 squad signings, as an example. Clearly Marotta, and others who have a say, are not content with the squad depth. Even now we have some areas lighter than others, but this summer has to be about more quality.

 

[MikeM]

Marotta has already said himself we are going for quality now. It really is the final step.

We have a stable coach with a great system
We have the best defense in Europe statistically
We have no losses (I know, the ties!!)
We have depth. FFS, our Coppa lineups are better than last year's starters.
We have unloaded all the deadwood (Amauri, Toni, Grosso, Iaquinta, Motta, etc).
Our wage bill is much lower. Our average age is much lower.

What is missing?

A top forward or two. That's pretty much it. Backup CM, backup LB perhaps.

How do we get them. Money, stability, prestige and CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. This summer we might have all those things. If we get two top forwards will anyone NOT like our team?

I'm guessing some of you expected all this to be done in one year? That's impossible. But it might be done in two.

Pretty good to me.

 

[Cronios]

We have heard the same BS excuses last year too, actually every year for the past seven years and you are keep forgetting the need for top defenders.

I completely agree. For me, more than anything, it has to be the way he's channelized his resources. I hate the fact that in two seasons, we've bought two full squads. It's just not done. Especially when you're a big club, it's that much more important to not be a revolving door because it can mess up the salary structure and everything around it. I don't have a problem if he signed Matri, Quag and Pepe. But I do have a problem if we go from Aguero to Vucinic, and Naingollan to Padoin in every mercato.

It's bit unhealthy, not just for the fans, but the finances of the club which he sometimes seems to be spending for the sake of it. Padoin and Boriello are perhaps the worst January window anyone can imagine in a title chasing season. It could be argued, what else was out there, and that's not what the rationale should be. If you cannot get acceptable quality do not make moves for the sake of it.

I keep hearing how he's doing well to clean up Secco's mess, but what people don't notice is, he's also clearing out his own. I keep going back to how he should've never touched Camo, Diego and Trezeguet. Think about all the money we spent on guys like Krasic, Elia, Quag, Pepe, Bonnucci etc., and then you'll see him trying to dispose them off too. Sure, it can happen for one season when you're learning the ropes, but you repeat those mistakes you're out of your depth. If it had to be one issue that makes Marrotta a talking point, its linking his ability or lack thereof with the resources at his disposal. Pretty shocking stats thus far.

Very well said!!