Giuseppe Marotta (209 Viewers)

[Jem83]

Well being that you are a disciple (perhaps a novice in practice) of The Society it would be fruitless to suggest alternatives.

It can be equated to telling a pedo that grown women are all the rage. Only to fall on deaf ears and a closed mind

Wtf :wth:

It was just a simple question. I'm curious as to who people want to replace Beppe with. Didn't plan to argue with the suggestions at all.

 

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[Cronios]

Marotta never was and will never be Moggi.
What we expect from him is avoiding elementary mistakes and make a decent use of our capital.
Objectively, he is a mediocre transfer manager who does a mediocre transfer job, at best.
His performances so far though, as mediocre low life, Italian manager were sub par.
A leap from a sub par, even for mediocrity standards, to optimal for Juve material director standards were unrealistic.

We settle for at least not losing a lot of cash, when buying, not losing a lot of cash when selling and not losing a lot of cash by failing to do any of those action.
Yes we overpaid a bit for the noones we got, yes we made no profit out of the players we have wasted fortunes upon, BUT at least we did not lose major $s, as Secco and Marotta have been doing so far in each and every transfer window.
And for the first time we managed to save some money out of wages and taxes. So this was a significant step forward and imo, for this was the best transfer window in our recent history!!!

Still far from optimal, far from Juve material,but for the first time a half decent job.
One more reason i believe this was our best transfer window since we got in serie A, is that for the very first time we actually bought what we needed (well almost)
The minimal priorities we had where:
-A starter defender,(Caceres)
-Get rid of deadwood (Toni, Iaq, Amauri, Piazenza, Motta all out, badly, but out)
-Prolific finisher (Borie-lol)
-worthless sub tool for the CM role and flanks (paidosmth)

So i declare pleased, the new Ajax boy was a good move, but it was canceled bythe Sorensen disastrous deal.

 

[Ahmed]

on which Marotta signing did we lose a lot of cash?

and Thank God he is not another Moggi.

 

[Cronios]

on which Marotta signing did we lose a lot of cash?

and Thank God he is not another Moggi.

Pretty much every deal he made Melo for ex, was overvalued when we got him and undervalued when we conceded the right to sell.
Bonucci was overvalued for the total sum we committed for him and the contracts we conceded were undervalued. Diego was sold for peanuts.
Giovincos half too and Martinez contract was ridiculous, the list goes on...

Bottom line is that every one knows that when you sell to Juve, you wil get more money than the player deserves and when you buy from them, the player you get is either free or very cheap.
Marotta is a lousy seller and he buys targets of opportunity we dont actually have as priorities.

 

[Ahmed]

Melo was signed by Secco, for a player who had 2 overall poor seasons 13M asking price is OK.

Giovinco, player who hasn't played regularly for past 3 years, cannot expect a big price for him.

Martinez was a mistake, agreed.

 

[baggio]

Corvino has been absolute disaster for Fiorentina this season. They are thinking of getting rid off him.

Has Sabatini qualified for CL with a team?

And Marrotta qualified for the CL. We saw what he did with us last year. That meant nothing. Fact is, he's out of his depth. Maybe all the others would be, but the primary objecive of these guys is identifying talent for the playing eleven, and I think Sabatini and even Covino have been very good at that. A bad season doesn't change their ability. But again, very hard to say how they would've performed here. But on the surface, besides Marrotta's CL qualifying season theres very little in terms of talent that he has discovered and nurtured. Cassano from Madrid being his big ticket. Personally though, I feel Corvino, Sabatini and even Marino (at his time from Napoli) discovered some interesting youth. Who is it at Udine? He or she has been doing a mind-blowing job for some time now. Can somebody draw up a list of some of the talents these guys discovered, including Beppe? Might make for an interesting comparison.

 

[.zero]

Wtf :wth:

It was just a simple question. I'm curious as to who people want to replace Beppe with. Didn't plan to argue with the suggestions at all.

Thx for the -rep chief

you sure taught me a lesson

 

[KB824]

Marino, Corvino, Sabatini and Sartori have all done fairly well, consistently. I remember we were close to Sartorial at some point.

Wait a minute. All of these guys have had the same amount of experience at a big club as marotta did before he came to Juve. Which, aside from a 1 year stint for Sabatini at lazio, would be none.


Why try to repeat the same pattern?


If marotta is going to be replaced, it HAS to be a sporting director who has experience with big clubs.

 

[Fake Melo]

And Marrotta qualified for the CL. We saw what he did with us last year. That meant nothing. Fact is, he's out of his depth. Maybe all the others would be, but the primary objecive of these guys is identifying talent for the playing eleven, and I think Sabatini and even Covino have been very good at that. A bad season doesn't change their ability. But again, very hard to say how they would've performed here. But on the surface, besides Marrotta's CL qualifying season theres very little in terms of talent that he has discovered and nurtured. Cassano from Madrid being his big ticket. Personally though, I feel Corvino, Sabatini and even Marino (at his time from Napoli) discovered some interesting youth. Who is it at Udine? He or she has been doing a mind-blowing job for some time now. Can somebody draw up a list of some of the talents these guys discovered, including Beppe? Might make for an interesting comparison.

Well, Marotta qualified with Samp. That's more than Sabatini has ever accomplished.

 

[Cronios]

Melo was signed by Secco, for a player who had 2 overall poor seasons 13M asking price is OK.

Giovinco, player who hasn't played regularly for past 3 years, cannot expect a big price for him.

Martinez was a mistake, agreed.

Marotta did not respected the investment we made for him though, he should not accept such a deal and Melo was one of our best players, becoming MoM more often than 90% of our players...
Our team sucked those 2 years and it was a teri bad moment to sell him then. A year under Conte would double his value.
Giovinco was ill treated and should be loaned out with the right to buy, for such a low fee. If we were trying to buy a talent like him, we would pay 3 times this money. Giovincos half was sold for the worst possible fee at the worst possible moment.
Sorensen was consistently our best defender after Chiellini for a year, there was no need to sell out half of his contract for such a low fee either. We need a RB back up.
I dont mind the crappy players, but those players would and should give us more income, they were tied by lengthy contracts and there wasnt a need to sell them out so cheap, esp as we were keeping players like Amauri, who offers so much less and costs so much more.

It should be a priority to get rid of Amauri salary before we start worrying about Giovincos and Sorensen wages...

 

[baggio]

Wait a minute. All of these guys have had the same amount of experience at a big club as marotta did before he came to Juve. Which, aside from a 1 year stint for Sabatini at lazio, would be none.


Why try to repeat the same pattern?


If marotta is going to be replaced, it HAS to be a sporting director who has experience with big clubs.

The thing is Serg, all of these guys could've gotten the job not to replace Marrotta but ahead of him before he even got the job. Wondering what got him the job ahead of these guys who have a fairly decent track record. Surely, one season qualifying for the CL doesn't make him the SD capable of rebuilding a club as big as this one. Having said that, if he has to be replaced, I doubt we will have a European level transfer director, because we've been dependent on a figurehead like Moggi so long, that his abrupt banishment left us wi no time to source or groom a reliable guy capable of the job at this level.

 

[Ahmed]

perhaps - and more likely - Conte did not want him?

many people will disagree with your assessment of Giovinco, I for one do not think he can be a leading light for Juventus.

Sorensen certainly was NOT our 'best defender' after Chiellini, heck even Bonucci at times performed very well last year.

all the players for which our wage bill has suffered were Secco buys, understandably it took time to get rid of them.

not many clubs out there who would be willing to sign 'big' names with big wages.

 

[MikeM]

The thing is Serg, all of these guys could've gotten the job not to replace Marrotta but ahead of him before he even got the job. Wondering what got him the job ahead of these guys who have a fairly decent track record. Surely, one season qualifying for the CL doesn't make him the SD capable of rebuilding a club as big as this one. Having said that, if he has to be replaced, I doubt we will have a European level transfer director, because we've been dependent on a figurehead like Moggi so long, that his abrupt banishment left us wi no time to source or groom a reliable guy capable of the job at this level.

Well apparently it did because, well... look at the standings.

 

[Fake Melo]

Well apparently it did because, well... look at the standings.

But that was all Conte

 

[baggio]

Well, Marotta qualified with Samp. That's more than Sabatini has ever accomplished.

So did Del Neri. That doesn't make him a better coach for Juventus than Delio Rossi, Edy Reja, Francesco Guidolin, or a Walter Mazzarri. Even though the latter two qualified for the CL and qualifiers themselves, they were not in anyway inferior coaches to DelNeri, and yet he got the job. What made him get it ahead of them. There is no justification for something like this technically and factually speaking. The point is, just because Marrotta qualified for the CL and is now at Juventus doesn't necessarily mean he is the most suitable candidate for the job.

Well apparently it did because, well... look at the standings.

You obviously missed the standings last season. It evens itself out, doesn't it. A lot of us have seen how much of an effect Conte has had on the team on the pitch too. It was the sa,e transfer director last season, why weren't we doing as well if thats the case?

 

[KB824]

The thing is Serg, all of these guys could've gotten the job not to replace Marrotta but ahead of him before he even got the job. Wondering what got him the job ahead of these guys who have a fairly decent track record. Surely, one season qualifying for the CL doesn't make him the SD capable of rebuilding a club as big as this one. Having said that, if he has to be replaced, I doubt we will have a European level transfer director, because we've been dependent on a figurehead like Moggi so long, that his abrupt banishment left us wi no time to source or groom a reliable guy capable of the job at this level.

In that case the finger of blame would need to be pointed to the people who hired Marotta in the first place.

 

[JCK]

 

[baggio]

In that case the finger of blame would need to be pointed to the people who hired Marotta in the first place.

Yea sure. AA holds a lot of blame for this. In fact it was really sad to see him give a free reign to Marrotta last season. He's a lot more hands on this season, starting with the hiring of Conte.

 

[KB824]

Yea sure. AA holds a lot of blame for this. In fact it was really sad to see him give a free reign to Marrotta last season. He's a lot more hands on this season, starting with the hiring of Conte.

That being said, don't you think that Agnelli would have given free reign to anyone else that he had hired last season?

 

[Hust]

Here is a mind fuck:

Let's say AA canned Marotta last summer and hired another DS..would we have done so well then this season?