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But are they good enough to build a WC team? Building a strong side that can "almost make it but never do" or a strong mid-table side is one thing. Building a team to compete at all levels is another thing. I hold that Marotta is competent enough to build the first category but I'm very uncertain if he can do the later on.
These days I feel like I've overrated Corvino mainly because of the JoJo signing and the cash they injected from Melo. But overall Corvino signings hasn't really panned out as expected. He's been able to build interesting and towards the future but not a scudetto team. Perhaps because Della Valle lost patience/interest and because they don't have the cash for it. Or he simply isn't able/competent enough to build a strong enough side to get that scudetto. He did however as I said build cheap and very well earlier.
Can't really say much about Palermo, they are difficult to evaluate. Don't know who does what and what not there. Udinese is doing well much thanks to Guidolin but Pozzo is doing a good job. Armero, Benatia, Isla, Asamoah, Sanchez, the money they jackpoted on Motta, Quagmire, Handanovic, Inler and so on just to name a few. These are a handsful of successful transfers recent years and they are already more than our combined successful transfers during the last decade. But I know too little to say if Pozzo would be great in Juve or not and if he would even be interested.
These days I feel like I've overrated Corvino mainly because of the JoJo signing and the cash they injected from Melo. But overall Corvino signings hasn't really panned out as expected. He's been able to build interesting and towards the future but not a scudetto team. Perhaps because Della Valle lost patience/interest and because they don't have the cash for it. Or he simply isn't able/competent enough to build a strong enough side to get that scudetto. He did however as I said build cheap and very well earlier.
Can't really say much about Palermo, they are difficult to evaluate. Don't know who does what and what not there. Udinese is doing well much thanks to Guidolin but Pozzo is doing a good job. Armero, Benatia, Isla, Asamoah, Sanchez, the money they jackpoted on Motta, Quagmire, Handanovic, Inler and so on just to name a few. These are a handsful of successful transfers recent years and they are already more than our combined successful transfers during the last decade. But I know too little to say if Pozzo would be great in Juve or not and if he would even be interested.
Its laughable but also unsurprising that so many e-gimps on here present constant criticism of Beppe, when in less than two seasons he has completely changed the direction the club is heading, at both youth and senior level.
We were in a shambles when he arrived. A quick fix was not at all possible, unless that is, you believe that A sporting director at Juventus can literally sell any player he chooses, to any clubs he chooses, for any amount he chooses...Moggi did brilliantly, over a very lengthy period of time, but he made numerous errors along the way, and had the help of dealing with some of the greatest coaches in the game.
The damage that secco did is still evident now, but hugely less so than when Beppe arrived. Our wage bill was horrendously out of synch with the performances and quality of our squad. Our champions were dying out, some causing far more harm to our cause than good (camo).
Paratici alongside Beppe has done amazingly well, with both our youth recruitment and aiding in improving the senior squad. Clearly they work very well together.
Del Neri seemed to have far less control of transfers when he was at the club. Conte seems to have as much say, if not more than Beppe. For proof of this, look no further than Zeigler...Whilst the Pirlo, quag, motta, matri, pepe deals were already in place before Conte officially arrived, three of them have been used constantly by Conte, and one of them is slowly getting his sharpness back after a lengthy injury. Essentially, Conte likes 4 of those 5 players. Who wouldn't want lichsteiner? and vidal? Elia was a strange-ish move, but not lunacy, and I doubt that Conte vetoed it in any way. For elia offers, potentially, something which Giach, Pepe, Krasic, Esti lack; flair. A vital ingredient in any offence.
Conte may not have earmarked Borriello, but evidence suggests he was fine with the move. Who can say, perhaps he DID suggest him to Beppe...Just because some chap on VS says otherwise, and lots of the e-gimp gang shriek with glee and squeal 'we knew that!!! conte would never pick such a player!!! beppe is a kunt!!!!'...well again, i ask you, what of zeigler??? Beppe signs him for free, Conte sends him packing soon after. The power there was completely with Conte, and makes it seem like Beppe works for him, not the other way around.
So our youth teams are all doing wonderfully well, we have picked up some fine talent from around europe (suggesting our scouting system is in good order), and our senior team is top of the league, undefeated with almost half the season played. We are also playing more often than not, entertaining football, have not been comprehensively outplayed in any game this season yet, and have the potential to improve further still with the likes of Elia, Quags, Borriello, perhaps also Caceres and Pizarro to play a part in what is by far the most enjoyable season for a true juventino for the last three serie A journeys.
reasons to be cheerful, not critical mongs who bind themselves together with virtual string and cup each others balls...
Forza Beppe.
We were in a shambles when he arrived. A quick fix was not at all possible, unless that is, you believe that A sporting director at Juventus can literally sell any player he chooses, to any clubs he chooses, for any amount he chooses...Moggi did brilliantly, over a very lengthy period of time, but he made numerous errors along the way, and had the help of dealing with some of the greatest coaches in the game.
The damage that secco did is still evident now, but hugely less so than when Beppe arrived. Our wage bill was horrendously out of synch with the performances and quality of our squad. Our champions were dying out, some causing far more harm to our cause than good (camo).
Paratici alongside Beppe has done amazingly well, with both our youth recruitment and aiding in improving the senior squad. Clearly they work very well together.
Del Neri seemed to have far less control of transfers when he was at the club. Conte seems to have as much say, if not more than Beppe. For proof of this, look no further than Zeigler...Whilst the Pirlo, quag, motta, matri, pepe deals were already in place before Conte officially arrived, three of them have been used constantly by Conte, and one of them is slowly getting his sharpness back after a lengthy injury. Essentially, Conte likes 4 of those 5 players. Who wouldn't want lichsteiner? and vidal? Elia was a strange-ish move, but not lunacy, and I doubt that Conte vetoed it in any way. For elia offers, potentially, something which Giach, Pepe, Krasic, Esti lack; flair. A vital ingredient in any offence.
Conte may not have earmarked Borriello, but evidence suggests he was fine with the move. Who can say, perhaps he DID suggest him to Beppe...Just because some chap on VS says otherwise, and lots of the e-gimp gang shriek with glee and squeal 'we knew that!!! conte would never pick such a player!!! beppe is a kunt!!!!'...well again, i ask you, what of zeigler??? Beppe signs him for free, Conte sends him packing soon after. The power there was completely with Conte, and makes it seem like Beppe works for him, not the other way around.
So our youth teams are all doing wonderfully well, we have picked up some fine talent from around europe (suggesting our scouting system is in good order), and our senior team is top of the league, undefeated with almost half the season played. We are also playing more often than not, entertaining football, have not been comprehensively outplayed in any game this season yet, and have the potential to improve further still with the likes of Elia, Quags, Borriello, perhaps also Caceres and Pizarro to play a part in what is by far the most enjoyable season for a true juventino for the last three serie A journeys.
reasons to be cheerful, not critical mongs who bind themselves together with virtual string and cup each others balls...
Forza Beppe.
what i mostly hate is the double standards.
marotta signs a player, he plays incredibly well. people here go "but it's all thanks to conte!"
then they hypocritically prasie moggi for his signings, forgetting that the players he bought were coached by the likes of lippi, cappello and trapattoni.
apply the same standards people.
marotta signs a player, he plays incredibly well. people here go "but it's all thanks to conte!"
then they hypocritically prasie moggi for his signings, forgetting that the players he bought were coached by the likes of lippi, cappello and trapattoni.
apply the same standards people.
Since when that Franco Collavini guy been in Udinese?
I don't think he's the only reason behind Udinese's success in signing those promising young talents. Ever since I can remember watching them in serie A ( some 20 years now) and they've been the most consistent club in finding those talents. It got to do with the way the whole club is operating.
Their scouting network, agents and perhaps other elements. It can't be the work of one guy.
I don't think he's the only reason behind Udinese's success in signing those promising young talents. Ever since I can remember watching them in serie A ( some 20 years now) and they've been the most consistent club in finding those talents. It got to do with the way the whole club is operating.
Their scouting network, agents and perhaps other elements. It can't be the work of one guy.
You're right, it's the whole set-up there not just one dude. But thats the point though, it's taken them years to form this philosophy with regards to their playing style/players they sign etc, thats why we must keep Marotta/Paratici etc and give them a few years to build something. Chopping and changing the technical staff all the time is detrimental to us in the long term.
Also, we have to realise that Udinese (and other mid table teams with lower expectations) are allowed to get away with giving these young, risky players extended playing time in their teams. Young players with potential just dont have the same leeway in teams with title aspirations like Juve, Milan, Inter etc. Its a lot easier to play with young players when there is less pressure involved, it also helps their development.
Also, we have to realise that Udinese (and other mid table teams with lower expectations) are allowed to get away with giving these young, risky players extended playing time in their teams. Young players with potential just dont have the same leeway in teams with title aspirations like Juve, Milan, Inter etc. Its a lot easier to play with young players when there is less pressure involved, it also helps their development.
Marotta changed nothing, we are still:
-Overpaying to buy mediocre and unproven players. (Martinez)
-Still getting bossed by player's contracts. (Amauri)
-Still unable to sell players anywhere close to their transfer market value. (Melo)
-Still unable to close deals with top players like Dzeko, Cassano, Tevez etc
-Still opting for quantity over quality (Elia+EstiG+Giacche)
-Still favorin nationalism over quality (Ital-Juve project, BS like Motta, Grosso, Toni, Boriello, coming onlybecause they have NT caps, they are presented as heroes and are given insane salaries that are compromising our salary plan)
Secco was just a water boy, but Marotta ought to be more than that.
Marotta has absolutely nothing to do with Conte's work, on the contrary, he has placed handicaps on his work, Conte asked for better defenders and a great winger,Marotta failed to bring them and that forced Conte to play players out of position.
Marotta failed to make any progress at creating cash for our club by the sale of players or the acquisition of players cheaper than their market value.
He also failed not to repeat the same mistakes Secco did, esp at wasting 15-25mil at buying new CMs and SSs in each and every transfer window, he was also forced to release players, made a 15-20mil hole with Melo and a 10mil hole with Martinez,
very very sloppy work and this is entirely his work and fault.
Regardless of the performances of those players, look how much we gave and what we took for them!!
Marotta should not at any case take credit for what Conte did with all those handicaps and inferior material.
The only excuse he has, is that some of those mistakes, where Agnelli guidelines, esp the ItalJuve thing...
(and thats why Conte is also forced to publically accept some of those deficiencies)
But the execution is entirely his work, what he did with Melo and Quaqs is entirely his fault.
The way we are wasting money is disgusting and reminds of the money laundry Inter used to apply for decades...
-Overpaying to buy mediocre and unproven players. (Martinez)
-Still getting bossed by player's contracts. (Amauri)
-Still unable to sell players anywhere close to their transfer market value. (Melo)
-Still unable to close deals with top players like Dzeko, Cassano, Tevez etc
-Still opting for quantity over quality (Elia+EstiG+Giacche)
-Still favorin nationalism over quality (Ital-Juve project, BS like Motta, Grosso, Toni, Boriello, coming onlybecause they have NT caps, they are presented as heroes and are given insane salaries that are compromising our salary plan)
Secco was just a water boy, but Marotta ought to be more than that.
Marotta has absolutely nothing to do with Conte's work, on the contrary, he has placed handicaps on his work, Conte asked for better defenders and a great winger,Marotta failed to bring them and that forced Conte to play players out of position.
Marotta failed to make any progress at creating cash for our club by the sale of players or the acquisition of players cheaper than their market value.
He also failed not to repeat the same mistakes Secco did, esp at wasting 15-25mil at buying new CMs and SSs in each and every transfer window, he was also forced to release players, made a 15-20mil hole with Melo and a 10mil hole with Martinez,
very very sloppy work and this is entirely his work and fault.
Regardless of the performances of those players, look how much we gave and what we took for them!!
Marotta should not at any case take credit for what Conte did with all those handicaps and inferior material.
The only excuse he has, is that some of those mistakes, where Agnelli guidelines, esp the ItalJuve thing...
(and thats why Conte is also forced to publically accept some of those deficiencies)
But the execution is entirely his work, what he did with Melo and Quaqs is entirely his fault.
The way we are wasting money is disgusting and reminds of the money laundry Inter used to apply for decades...
