Giuseppe Marotta (99 Viewers)

[Cronios]

19 mill now? You're a joke Cronios.

And now we await your convoluted explanation on how this figure was reached (again)

i ve always said its about 20mil, as i highly rated Criscito, i consider it a 20+mil loss, but considering the exact ammounts those players were sold, its 19mil.

 

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[Salvatore]

as i highly rated Criscito

Nobody doing that deal cares about your opinion of Criscito's value.

 

[ZoSo]

i ve always said its about 20mil, as i highly rated Criscito, i consider it a 20+mil loss, but considering the exact ammounts those players were sold, its 19mil.

Irrelevant

 

[Ibrahimovic9]

Marotta couldn't sell water if he was in the middle of Sahara.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Moggi was so good he could sell sand to the Arabs.

 

[Cheesio]

Moggi was so good he could sell sand to the Arabs.

 

[Jem83]

I for one am happy that Marotta seems to be able to at least identify top players. I'm especially aiming at Edin Dzeko. Last summer Marotta was quoted saying that he was the main target and that it would be a dream to bring him to Juventus. Look at Edin Dzeko now, how he's playing. He's just amazing, and he would be the perfect Trezeguet-replacement. This summer he identified Aguero and Rossi. Personally, I wasn't (and I still am not) too convinced about those two, but I know a lot of people on this forum would have loved them here (especially Aguero) and label them either top quality or world class.

Shouldn't we at least take comfort in the fact that Marotta is able to identify what we need?

Thing is, guys, when Manchester City comes along with their chequebook, we can't compete. It's as simple as that. We could have Marotta, Moggi, Galliani etc. It still wouldn't matter. And it has happened to us 2 summers in a row now: City came in for our targets and got them.

Was Marotta too late when it came to the Aguero deal? Absolutely not. First of all the player wanted to decide after Coppa America, and second of all: ATM waited for other bidders to come a long, they did not accept Juventus' bid. They waited for clubs such as City, knowing that they eventually would pounce.

Marotta did what we could, but we can't compete with the unlimited funds of Man City's owners, it's just impossible. Especially when we're not even a CL club. Just look at the wages they offer for christ's sake..

So get real, people.

The old Juve is gone, and so is the prestige and financial prowess of the Serie-A clubs in general. The sooner you realize this, the better (for your mental health).

 

[ALC]

Anyone can identify them. His job is to bring their asses here.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Marotta is the Pepe of the DS world. Lots of work and running but no end product.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

Moggi was so good he could sell sand to the Arabs.

 

[Suns]

I for one am happy that Marotta seems to be able to at least identify top players. I'm especially aiming at Edin Dzeko. Last summer Marotta was quoted saying that he was the main target and that it would be a dream to bring him to Juventus. Look at Edin Dzeko now, how he's playing. He's just amazing, and he would be the perfect Trezeguet-replacement. This summer he identified Aguero and Rossi. Personally, I wasn't (and I still am not) too convinced about those two, but I know a lot of people on this forum would have loved them here (especially Aguero) and label them either top quality or world class.

Shouldn't we at least take comfort in the fact that Marotta is able to identify what we need?

Thing is, guys, when Manchester City comes along with their chequebook, we can't compete. It's as simple as that. We could have Marotta, Moggi, Galliani etc. It still wouldn't matter. And it has happened to us 2 summers in a row now: City came in for our targets and got them.

Was Marotta too late when it came to the Aguero deal? Absolutely not. First of all the player wanted to decide after Coppa America, and second of all: ATM waited for other bidders to come a long, they did not accept Juventus' bid. They waited for clubs such as City, knowing that they eventually would pounce.

Marotta did what we could, but we can't compete with the unlimited funds of Man City's owners, it's just impossible. Especially when we're not even a CL club. Just look at the wages they offer for christ's sake..

So get real, people.

The old Juve is gone, and so is the prestige and financial prowess of the Serie-A clubs in general. The sooner you realize this, the better (for your mental health).

I couldn't stop laughing when I read that.

 

[Jem83]

His job is to bring their asses here.

His job is to secure growth in terms of results in the sporting area, while at the same time keeping within the budget set by his employers.

You don't necessarily achieve this by spending your 120 million budget (which is supposed to last for 3 years) on 2-3 players.

Your beef is with EXOR, the supplier of funds, not with Marotta, you just don't realize this.

Do you think the Man City directors are better than Marotta just because they get Dzeko and Aguero? They just go out there and outbid everyone. It's not difficult. Marotta's job is difficult, because Juve's transfer market policy is different, and Juve's budget doesn't even come close to that of Man City.

I know you guys play FM, so think of it as playing FM in hard mode, while Man City is easy mode, with all of the cheat codes activated.

Whoever expects Marotta to close a deal that Man City comes in for, is absolutely bonkers.

 

[IrishZebra]

Pjanic was within budget but we got pepe instead...

 

[Jem83]

I couldn't stop laughing when I read that.

Lol, yeah, that was a bit clumsily put, I shall agree. There are a lot of "top players" out there, and I didn't praise him for his ability to spot who are and who aren't, because you and I can do this too. But I think that Marotta was 100 % right in singling out Edin Dzeko, due to his characteristics as a football player (one that I believe would fit Serie-A very much), and I believe Marotta's idea was to get the perfect replacement to Trezeguet, which Dzeko in my opinion is. That's what I meant.

 

[ThirdStar]

Deals collapsed with clubs for a 2-3 millions difference. While he spent 3 on a bench player, 10.5 on an Injured player, 10+ on two useless players.

Marotta is to blame.

And before you pull the "HEY, it's a loan with a promise to buy", that's a dumb thing to say. Loans are gambles you just can't do that.

The Melo loan was horrific.

 

[X Æ A-12]

His job is to secure growth in terms of results in the sporting area, while at the same time keeping within the budget set by his employers.

You don't necessarily achieve this by spending your 120 million budget (which is supposed to last for 3 years) on 2-3 players.

Your beef is with EXOR, the supplier of funds, not with Marotta, you just don't realize this.

Do you think the Man City directors are better than Marotta just because they get Dzeko and Aguero? They just go out there and outbid everyone. It's not difficult. Marotta's job is difficult, because Juve's transfer market policy is different, and Juve's budget doesn't even come close to that of Man City.

I know you guys play FM, so think of it as playing FM in hard mode, while Man City is easy mode, with all of the cheat codes activated.

Whoever expects Marotta to close a deal that Man City comes in for, is absolutely bonkers.

If the problem is really a lack of funds then why are we consistently able to spend 12mil on Martinez, 10mil on Pepe etc.

We have plenty of money it just gets wasted.

 

[Suns]

At the end of the day, its not either having a Man City mercato or a shitty Marotta mercato. There is something in between and there is a lot of excellent players all around Europe that have made names for themselves and that Man City, Barcelona and Real don't really want. Marotta's plan B sucks, if he can't get Aguero or Dzeko he goes off signing some random players that have nothing to do in a team that aims to win the scudetto. Whats the point of getting almost 25 new players in a year? And to be honest, I don't think any of the players he has signed would walk into our rivals Inter and Milan starting eleven. Year after year we suck and the problem is clearly the lack of quality yet they always talk about foundation year after year. You get a good foundation when your starters get sent to the bench by the new players and not signing players for your bench.

 

[Marc]

Not to mention we spent 50 mil. € on Felipe Melo and Diego.

 

[Linebreak]

I for one am happy that Marotta seems to be able to at least identify top players. I'm especially aiming at Edin Dzeko. Last summer Marotta was quoted saying that he was the main target and that it would be a dream to bring him to Juventus. Look at Edin Dzeko now, how he's playing. He's just amazing, and he would be the perfect Trezeguet-replacement. This summer he identified Aguero and Rossi. Personally, I wasn't (and I still am not) too convinced about those two, but I know a lot of people on this forum would have loved them here (especially Aguero) and label them either top quality or world class.

Shouldn't we at least take comfort in the fact that Marotta is able to identify what we need?

Thing is, guys, when Manchester City comes along with their chequebook, we can't compete. It's as simple as that. We could have Marotta, Moggi, Galliani etc. It still wouldn't matter. And it has happened to us 2 summers in a row now: City came in for our targets and got them.

Was Marotta too late when it came to the Aguero deal? Absolutely not. First of all the player wanted to decide after Coppa America, and second of all: ATM waited for other bidders to come a long, they did not accept Juventus' bid. They waited for clubs such as City, knowing that they eventually would pounce.

Marotta did what we could, but we can't compete with the unlimited funds of Man City's owners, it's just impossible. Especially when we're not even a CL club. Just look at the wages they offer for christ's sake..

So get real, people.

The old Juve is gone, and so is the prestige and financial prowess of the Serie-A clubs in general. The sooner you realize this, the better (for your mental health).

Hehe - a child could identify that Zidane was a good player for example

 

[Jem83]

Deals collapsed with clubs for a 2-3 millions difference. While he spent 3 on a bench player, 10.5 on an Injured player, 10+ on two useless players.

Marotta is to blame.

And before you pull the "HEY, it's a loan with a promise to buy", that's a dumb thing to say. Loans are gambles you just can't do that.

Not correct. First of all, the market of buying the sporting rights to football players is a "seller's market", because there will almost always be more demand than supply. There's only one of the player in question. One Dzeko. One Aguero. And there can be one or several clubs interested in this one player. This means that the seller is given the power to set the price (seeing as the financial fair play rules haven't been applied yet). Adding to this, there are limited transfer windows, which sets a time limit to clubs' transfer activities, meaning that buyer clubs have a disadvantage in negotiations if the seller-club doesn't want to sell (which was the case with Villareal and Rossi, they didn't actually want to let the player go.)

In such a market, which could never be exact (without more regulation, which is on it's way), "2-3 millions difference" doesn't necessarily mean "2-3 millions difference". Just because Villareal wanted 25 million for Rossi, does that mean that he's actually worth that? If a club is willing to pay that, then sure, but we weren't willing to pay that. Barcelona wasn't willing to pay that. Hence, it's not necessarily the case that Rossi was worth that amount of money. So when Juve bid 22 million, perhaps Juventus had already gone 3-4 million over what Juventus already deemed Rossi to be worth (let's say Juve valued Rossi at 18 million). Those "2-3 millions of difference" you mentioned, then, in Juventus' view, would be like paying 6-7 million more than Juventus' evaluation.

But hey, it's "just" 6-7 millions right? It's "just" 2-3 millions.

This isn't FM...