Red

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:agree: 5th at best seems like our magic number this season.
Why?

Milan and Inter will be first an second, but everything beyond that is up for grabs.

Napoli look good, but it's unclear how they'll react to CL football.

Udinese have lost much of the spine of their team, Lazio are nothing special and Roma are an unknown and have a lot of work to do on the market to get a competitive team together.
 

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Why?

Milan and Inter will be first an second, but everything beyond that is up for grabs.

Napoli look good, but it's unclear how they'll react to CL football.

Udinese have lost much of the spine of their team, Lazio are nothing special and Roma are an unknown and have a lot of work to do on the market to get a competitive team together.
Napoli is stronger than us right now, so until we strenghthen our squad with some quality players, Third place seems like a reach :(
 

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Yeah, as things stand you would have to put Inter, Milan and Napoli as stronger than Juve.

I don't know what other team is clearly better for the suggestion to be that 5th is the best Juve can hope for.
 

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For some reason, I don't expect Roma to be okay.

Roma will be very good or they will flop and be absolutely terrible.

From what I hear just now of them playing a narrow 4-3-3/Xmas tree type thing, I'd say there is a bigger chance of them being awful.
 

Quetzalcoatl

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For some reason, I don't expect Roma to be okay.

Roma will be very good or they will flop and be absolutely terrible.

From what I hear just now of them playing a narrow 4-3-3/Xmas tree type thing, I'd say there is a bigger chance of them being awful.
I agree. I give Luis Enrique until January and their mercato so far is underwhelming.
 

only-juve

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Don't know much about Luis Enrique's coaching abilities but they (roma management) seem to rate him high, but to be honest i always rated Walter Sabatini ever since his days in Lazio back 8 years ago.

I think he'll create a pretty good team.
 

Emmet

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Our problem last season was beating the smaller teams in the league, we did pretty well against the teams that finished above us, and all the teams above us as of yet haven't strengthened that much. Udinese have lost 2 key players, Napoli will do a Fiorentina of a couple of years ago and struggle to compete in both comps and slide down the league. Lazio bringing in Cisse says it all really as far as their mercato is concerned. At the present time we have strengthened, not by a whole lot but we have improved in certain areas. We have closed the gap a tiny bit, but clearly not as much as we need to, Marotta's saving grace at the minute is that no one else around us has really brought in that many players, apart from Roma.

If we can just beat the Cesena's, Siena's, Parma's etc this year and keep doing as we did against the big boys last season, we will be right up there in the top 3/4 this season IMO.
 

KB824

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Our problem last season was beating the smaller teams in the league, we did pretty well against the teams that finished above us, and all the teams above us as of yet haven't strengthened that much. Udinese have lost 2 key players, Napoli will do a Fiorentina of a couple of years ago and struggle to compete in both comps and slide down the league. Lazio bringing in Cisse says it all really as far as their mercato is concerned. At the present time we have strengthened, not by a whole lot but we have improved in certain areas. We have closed the gap a tiny bit, but clearly not as much as we need to, Marotta's saving grace at the minute is that no one else around us has really brought in that many players, apart from Roma.

If we can just beat the Cesena's, Siena's, Parma's etc this year and keep doing as we did against the big boys last season, we will be right up there in the top 3/4 this season IMO.
I still blame Del Neri for most of the problems last year, because the same players who struggled against the minnows of the league are the same ones that beat Inter, Roma, Lazio, Udinese, and Milan.

That all boils down to preparation and focus, and that is the responsibility of the coach.
 

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I still blame Del Neri for most of the problems last year, because the same players who struggled against the minnows of the league are the same ones that beat Inter, Roma, Lazio, Udinese, and Milan.

That all boils down to preparation and focus, and that is the responsibility of the coach.
It was also the tactics.

Delneri's style is far more suited to games when you can sit back and counter-attack against teams, rather than having to actually go out and dictate the tempo and try to break down the packed defence of a smaller team.
 

KB824

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It was also the tactics.

Delneri's style is far more suited to games when you can sit back and counter-attack against teams, rather than having to actually go out and dictate the tempo and try to break down the packed defence of a smaller team.
Correct, and if was due to the tactics, then the coach is responsible for changing the tactics to best suit your squad against the opposition.

Marotta isn't perfect. Far from it.

But like I said, these same guys are the ones that beat all of the top teams in Serie A last year, save for Napoli, so it can't be all marotta's fault as everyone here loves to claim.
 

Flamez

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It was also the tactics.

Delneri's style is far more suited to games when you can sit back and counter-attack against teams, rather than having to actually go out and dictate the tempo and try to break down the packed defence of a smaller team.
I was about to write this stuff.

If he deserves some credit, it's against the big teams, and that's why he'll never be able to coach a big team. His understandment of the game is settle to beat the big teams, not to coach them.
 

Emmet

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It was also the tactics.

Delneri's style is far more suited to games when you can sit back and counter-attack against teams, rather than having to actually go out and dictate the tempo and try to break down the packed defence of a smaller team.
100% spot on Red, if we played Milan, Inter, Lazio & Roma every week we would have won the damn league, or came close to it. I hope Conte sets our stall out to dictate tempo on every game this season, and not hope for counter attack football like LDN did last season.
 

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100% spot on Red, if we played Milan, Inter, Lazio & Roma every week we would have won the damn league, or came close to it. I hope Conte sets our stall out to dictate tempo on every game this season, and not hope for counter attack football like LDN did last season.
Conte seems to be focused on width and possession, which one would tend to associate with trying to control and dominate games.
 

Suns

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So I was thinking about this whole talk about us bringing champions and that all the quality players out there want us. Could it be that Marotta was saying all of this just to keep the fans excited and make sure they buy season tickets? And now that people have bought their season tickets, he doesn't really give a damn anymore? It just still pisses me off in a big way that he was talking proudly about us signing a player in the mold of Aguero, Sanchez and Higauin only to end up with fuck all.
 

Flamez

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So I was thinking about this whole talk about us bringing champions and that all the quality players out there want us. Could it be that Marotta was saying all of this just to keep the fans excited and make sure they buy season tickets? And now that people have bought their season tickets, he doesn't really give a damn anymore? It just still pisses me off in a big way that he was talking proudly about us signing a player in the mold of Aguero, Sanchez and Higauin only to end up with fuck all.
It's more like holding his job.

If all this talk about Rossi not coming is true, then I have finished my judgement on Marotta.
 

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