Giuseppe Marotta (171 Viewers)
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The 5 year project has been a failure. We need to accept that and start rebuilding. However, rebuilding with expensive mediocre players on long term contracts, or procuring players on loan with an option to buy (which basically forces our hand) in not an approach I'm a staunch supporter of.
Efficient, effective, lean, and smart. We need a solid core, a few world class players, and a decent bench. So far, we have a semblance of a solid core, former world class players, and a bench overflowing with mediocrity.
Efficient, effective, lean, and smart. We need a solid core, a few world class players, and a decent bench. So far, we have a semblance of a solid core, former world class players, and a bench overflowing with mediocrity.
I will say this about Moggi, in comparison to the previous board.
If he were the Director General when Juve got demoted, not only would have Ibra, Zambrotta, and Cannavaro had been gone, but Nedved, Camoranesi, Trezeguet, and Buffon would have all been sold as well. He wouldn't have let the pressures of having the old guard stay around for the sake of the Juventus name.
He would have realized what was needed to be done to rebuild the squad. He would have known that the team that would have taken the pitch, with all the money from those sales and re-invested into younger players, would have been more than enough to get promoted.
If he were the Director General when Juve got demoted, not only would have Ibra, Zambrotta, and Cannavaro had been gone, but Nedved, Camoranesi, Trezeguet, and Buffon would have all been sold as well. He wouldn't have let the pressures of having the old guard stay around for the sake of the Juventus name.
He would have realized what was needed to be done to rebuild the squad. He would have known that the team that would have taken the pitch, with all the money from those sales and re-invested into younger players, would have been more than enough to get promoted.
Why are you here Del Neri? Shouldn't you be out there on the pitch with your squad training them?Apparently, you are prepared to wait another 20 years to see us life another CL trophy, something I am not quite comfortable with. Mediocre teams winning is the exception and not the rule. Milan, Manchester United, Chelsea, and Barcelona have been making the semis consistently over the past few seasons, and that is what we need to be aiming for.
This was why I was upset that other players were not sold at the time.
I'm a fan of the team, not individual players.
Which was why when everyone was lauding Nedved, and the like for staying, I was thinking to myself that this is the wrong way to go about this. The absolute wrong way. The team should have been blown up in 2006, and start over again.
But again, that also speaks to the short sightedness of the previous board, and the fear of the backlash that they would have received for doing something as daunting as that.
They felt the pressure of the Juventus name.
I'm a fan of the team, not individual players.
Which was why when everyone was lauding Nedved, and the like for staying, I was thinking to myself that this is the wrong way to go about this. The absolute wrong way. The team should have been blown up in 2006, and start over again.
But again, that also speaks to the short sightedness of the previous board, and the fear of the backlash that they would have received for doing something as daunting as that.
They felt the pressure of the Juventus name.
It isn't an imaginary argument. The numbers are correct should we sign everyone but Motta. You keep saying it's imaginary just to cover Marotta, when in fact he does intend to sign most of them. What's the point of setting up the transfer options if he had no intention of signing them later on? Come on, think a little at least.
That is far from certain, regardless of the points penalty even. We shouldn't underestimate what we achieved that season in B.
The way I see it, the previous management was told to
a) get back in Serie A in 1 attempt &
b) get back in the CL immediately
And they succeeded in doing that. But after those 2 major initial successes every one (from fans to media) expected us to take the next step just as quick. And I think that was an unreasonable expectation.
The way I see it, the previous management was told to
a) get back in Serie A in 1 attempt &
b) get back in the CL immediately
And they succeeded in doing that. But after those 2 major initial successes every one (from fans to media) expected us to take the next step just as quick. And I think that was an unreasonable expectation.
On the contrary, I think Moggi would've held on to whoever was willing to stay from the old guard, primarily for two reasons.
A) To give continuity to a team that knew how to win, and more importantly retain the identity of the team. It's too risky going into a lower division, with a new core and players. Given that one can't measure how long they'd need to gel together, knowing full well Juve had to be back up in one season.
B) Though there's absolutely no doubt his focus would've integrated youth in the lower division, it would however only be successful in it's transition to the a league, if they had the right kind of mentors on the pitch. Something the likes of Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon and Trezeguet have always been.
Alessio Secco and Beppe Marrotta have pretty much set the the club back a few years, because for every average player we buy, we're hurting our own mentality, objectives and nullifying funds that should be used, for less than a handful a players who not only make the difference, but also know how to. What we did this season could be termed a revolution. And it's gotten us nowhere. Instead all we needed was an evolution.
A) To give continuity to a team that knew how to win, and more importantly retain the identity of the team. It's too risky going into a lower division, with a new core and players. Given that one can't measure how long they'd need to gel together, knowing full well Juve had to be back up in one season.
B) Though there's absolutely no doubt his focus would've integrated youth in the lower division, it would however only be successful in it's transition to the a league, if they had the right kind of mentors on the pitch. Something the likes of Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon and Trezeguet have always been.
Alessio Secco and Beppe Marrotta have pretty much set the the club back a few years, because for every average player we buy, we're hurting our own mentality, objectives and nullifying funds that should be used, for less than a handful a players who not only make the difference, but also know how to. What we did this season could be termed a revolution. And it's gotten us nowhere. Instead all we needed was an evolution.
I've never been a fan of completely changing a team anyway, especially not after only 1 bad (terrible) season. I can't shake the feeling that what we did last summer was just replacing players for the sake of it, without really thinking it through. As if they didn't even look at what we had in terms of players, because it's not as if we got rid of the worst performing players & kept the good ones.
As far as Secco goes, I feel he was made to be the scapegoat. And even if I didn't agree with some of his moves (especially the later ones), for me personally he did not have to leave.
Gigli was another one of those guys who was criticized for every single thing & was subsequently removed. But why exactly?
Were things really going that bad under these guys? Because now I keep reading stuff like Marotta has to clean up their mess. Frankly, I think that's bullshit. We had a decent team, they just decided to create a completely different, decent team.
Sure, big wages were given to players like Amauri or Melo and that obviously has a financial impact right now. But how is that different than giving big wages to Toni for example?
However, it will take a lot more time than a few months to know if creating this almost completely different team was or was not a good decision. So I may be completely wrong in all this.
As far as Secco goes, I feel he was made to be the scapegoat. And even if I didn't agree with some of his moves (especially the later ones), for me personally he did not have to leave.
Gigli was another one of those guys who was criticized for every single thing & was subsequently removed. But why exactly?
Were things really going that bad under these guys? Because now I keep reading stuff like Marotta has to clean up their mess. Frankly, I think that's bullshit. We had a decent team, they just decided to create a completely different, decent team.
Sure, big wages were given to players like Amauri or Melo and that obviously has a financial impact right now. But how is that different than giving big wages to Toni for example?
However, it will take a lot more time than a few months to know if creating this almost completely different team was or was not a good decision. So I may be completely wrong in all this.
