Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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I think Secco's four years of chaos has clouded and infected the minds of the FM playing know it alls on these boards.
Actually, such a comment makes more sense if you apply it to those who consider Marotta to be essentially faultless.

Of course Marotta is better than a guy who had no experience in the transfer market prior to his role at Juve. That doesn't mean an "anything goes" policy can be rewarded to his replacement.
 

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Sep 4, 2006
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I thought Marotta was doing a fine job up until he shoved Diego and Trezeguet out the door with days left until the new season and tried to sign the first Italian FW he could get. What the fuck was up with that? Who would we have signed if Quagliarella had said no?

And even though Fabio has done well, up until getting injured, that was seriously a horrible move by Marrota and we are paying for it still.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
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Agree with what Andy said, Marotta so far showed that he's average at what he does. Not Great and not piss poor, just average.

But after having a fucktard clown like Secco for 4 years, one would expect people around here to exaggerate in the way they rate Marotta, no surprise really.....
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Marotta is nothing special, and neither is Del Neri. They are good for the Sampdorias and Genoas of this world, but they have not accomplished anything worthwhile in their careers to warrant being considered by Juventus.

They are both extremely limited and inflexible!
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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people here need to consider the cloud of of debt free football is hanging over us
it is essential we must stay without any major debt
now I know most of you couldn't care less, they just want the best players here but a bad financial record could bring us big problems in years to come
that's what Platini is aiming for and he has already said so repeatedly
clubs in debt will be punished severely
so if you are looking for reasons why Trez has left or why we are signing average low cost players, I believe this is the reason
ever since Marotta stepped in we have signed players on loan or with small contracts relatively speaking off course
Trez with his high salary is gone and we are looking to offload Amauri
add to that the fact we are in the rebuilding process, team wise but also literally with the stadium which costs us a lot
that does inevitably mean that we are not that strong anymore
but I wouldn't just shoot Marotta for that, his hands are tied and the steps he took are sorely needed
I firmly believe that with the new stadium and the added revenues we will be stronger but it will take time and patience
something that is sometimes hard to swallow
 

the jesus

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Jun 10, 2009
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Marotta is nothing special, and neither is Del Neri. They are good for the Sampdorias and Genoas of this world, but they have not accomplished anything worthwhile in their careers to warrant being considered by Juventus.

They are both extremely limited and inflexible!
You could say the same thing about Moggi and Lippi in 1994 when they came to the club, but that turned out quite allright.

Give it time. Judging Marotta and Del Neri after 7 months when they were left with a shitstorm to clean up is just idiotic.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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both constructive...and beautifully worded, mr dru! many thanks for your sterling input...
I keep things simple and plain. Plus I doubt you or anyone else would like for me to repeat what myself and others have already posted in response to your post.

That’s what we would call monotonous

Marotta is nothing special, and neither is Del Neri. They are good for the Sampdorias and Genoas of this world, but they have not accomplished anything worthwhile in their careers to warrant being considered by Juventus.

They are both extremely limited and inflexible!
Boom.

All one needs to do is take a look at the work done by Marotta in his brief time here and you can see that though certain events forced his hand, his decision-making hasn’t been of the best judgment. But then again what some people call potato, I call moron.
 

Bianconero81

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Very funny indeed Badass; perhaps you should consider an alternative career in comedy!

Most of you, as always, offer no constructive criticism and are just enjoying being bashful. Petulant and childish; I expected nothing more. However, I would like to thank people like Alen, Dru, Azzurri, and Andy who at least exhibit some semblance of maturity and objectivity when discussing our current plight.

When Lippi joined us back in 94, he wasn't anywhere near as old as Del Neri is now. Del Neri is approaching 60, and his football philosophy is unlikely to change. He has never demonstrated any outstanding abilities as a tactician, is extremely inflexible in the formation he chooses to deploy, and as of yet, has to win anything significant at the age of 57! I doubt any of the aforementioned factors are bound to change anytime soon.

As for Marotta, I don't understand why some of you were singing his praises when we brought him on board. He is constantly looking for quick fix and cheap solutions, opting for Italian talent (even when it doesn't exist), and hasn't really addressed any of the weaknesses in the team! What is the point in having scouts posted across the globe, when 80% of his focus is on the talent dry Italian market?!

In any case, I might be proven wrong as regards both Del Neri and Marotta, but I doubt we will win anything notable during their tenure here. We shall continue to cast an envying glance at the likes of Milan, Inter, and even Napoli and Palermo, as they continue to play better, more attractive and efficient football, and snap the Neymars and Piazons of this world. We, in the meantime, shall have to content ourselves with more flower of the flowers and Toni type players.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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You could say the same thing about Moggi and Lippi in 1994 when they came to the club, but that turned out quite allright.

Give it time. Judging Marotta and Del Neri after 7 months when they were left with a shitstorm to clean up is just idiotic.
So everyone that points out the mistakes of someone in charge with investing millions of Euros per annum is an idiot?

Thanks for your stellar input. You'll make it far in the professional world. :pado:
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Most of you, as always, offer no constructive criticism and are just enjoying being bashful. Petulant and childish; I expected nothing more. However, I would like to thank people like Alen, Dru, Azzurri, and Andy who at least exhibit some semblance of maturity and objectivity when discussing our current plight.
I'm not sure debating works like that, where people with the same train of thought are educated, mature and of course correct, and those who disagree are petulant, childish and undoubtedly wrong. Maybe it does.

We've seen plenty of excessive Marotta bashing through people and posts that are neither mature or objective, in fact many are simply so clueless it borders on the embarrassing, so enough with that crap.

So everyone that points out the mistakes of someone in charge with investing millions of Euros per annum is an idiot?
That's exactly what he said :sergio:
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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Seriously Jay I'm not going to bother with clowns like Bianconero81 anymore, they are absolutely fucking clueless. Ashamed to have guys like that following the same team as me.
You know that the majority of the Juve fans are having more or less the same opinions as Bianconeo81, have you seen VS lately? I personally think that Bianconero81, dru and Andy are expressing their views in a good way without spamming.

Anyway, Its a forum, people have different views about different topics, especially when things aren't going too smoothly for us. The fact that some people have problems with a 60 year old coach without success doesn't make them clueless or a clown, same thing if they don't agree with Marottas transfer policy. Personally, I have no problems with Del Neri, I think he's good for us, my problem is with some of Marottas decisions, especially the whole fixation with Italian players, mediocre or not.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Italian Juventini aren't exactly known for being a patient or objective bunch as a whole, it's common for the majority to be ground down with the early mutterings of a few given enough time, bad results and fabricated media stories. Most of them are getting wound up about guys we haven't signed or even tried to sign. It's the same with any positive news, a signing or performance, exultation beyond belief. That's Italian fans, but it also happens here.

I don't have a problem with people being upset about perceived failures, he has made some and it's pointless denying it or in turn being surprised, but when they start talking about the great name of Juventus and how we used to sign players like Zidane and Baggio, it's totally irrelevant to our current situation.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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Italian Juventini aren't exactly known for being a patient or objective bunch as a whole, it's common for the majority to be ground down with the early mutterings of a few given enough time, bad results and fabricated media stories. Most of them are getting wound up about guys we haven't signed or even tried to sign. It's the same with any positive news, a signing or performance, exultation beyond believe. That's Italian fans, but it also happens here.

I don't have a problem with people being upset about perceived failures, he has made some and it's pointless denying it or in turn being surprised, but when they start talking about the great name of Juventus and how we used to sign players like Zidane and Baggio, it's totally irrelevant to our current situation.
You pretty much described my feelings on the situation.

Of course we can all be critical, but these guys take it over board and are constantly ruining threads with the continual negativity.
 

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