Giuseppe Marotta (112 Viewers)
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In which attack was clearly our weakest department. Our defense and midfield require no tampering with (most of us believe so anyway). Winning back to back Serie A titles is hardly such a remarkable feat, considering the quality of the opposition, and the poor state of the league. It was impressive, but we hardly had any competition, especially this season.
So true. Here's what Moggi thought of our title chances in the summer of 2011: "Good mercato, Juve. But not enough to challenge for the title."
"Not competitive like Milan and Inter, but could battle with Napoli for 3rd-4th."
http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/se...cato.+Ma+non+lotterà+per+il+titolo»
It says a lot about what has been accomplished since then.
"Not competitive like Milan and Inter, but could battle with Napoli for 3rd-4th."
http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/se...cato.+Ma+non+lotterà+per+il+titolo»
It says a lot about what has been accomplished since then.
and how did this happen? exactly, milan and inter overplayed their hands, wanted too much too fast, lost their key players and without a shitload of referee help would have both missed out on chamions league this season... all this while we comfortably won two scudetti in a row...
and still people fap over galliani signing balotelli while "only" losing ibra and thiago silva ^^.
it´s a little bit short sighted to say "yeah we won but the opposition was shit". there is a reason why teams like milan and inter went down while we improved a lot
and still people fap over galliani signing balotelli while "only" losing ibra and thiago silva ^^.
it´s a little bit short sighted to say "yeah we won but the opposition was shit". there is a reason why teams like milan and inter went down while we improved a lot
Poor state of the league, not impressive, not enough prestige, bla bla bla bla bla
I for one would be fucking happy for us to win any and every trophy we can every season. Do people support this club to win trophies no matter what players we have, or are they only worth more if you win them with supposed "superstar" players?
Some awesomely weird views on this forum.
I for one would be fucking happy for us to win any and every trophy we can every season. Do people support this club to win trophies no matter what players we have, or are they only worth more if you win them with supposed "superstar" players?
Some awesomely weird views on this forum.
I remember when I used to read how Inter and Milan (even Lazio, Roma and Parma at one point) assembled better teams than us during Moggi's era. At least that is what was said on paper, at the end of the mercato.
Still, Juve were the most successful side over that period. I suppose Lippi and Capello were our 12th man, and Moggi didn't really do much.
If you look at it objectively you'll notice that Juventus as a club haven't been the type to make headline grabbing transfers since the early 90s. It's quite funny how names and reputations still ring true for so many fans over players who actually do the business.
Still, Juve were the most successful side over that period. I suppose Lippi and Capello were our 12th man, and Moggi didn't really do much.
If you look at it objectively you'll notice that Juventus as a club haven't been the type to make headline grabbing transfers since the early 90s. It's quite funny how names and reputations still ring true for so many fans over players who actually do the business.
That's an interesting analogy. It may just have to do wi the fact that the league was stronger at the time, or what not. But it would be wrong to say Moggi didn't make big transfers. Sure, he'd have his blunders like Paramatti and Mirkovic etc., but at negligible amounts. And he'd even spend big when necessary, without needing any help from external sources. Juve was self sustaining, but it's a bit of a hit on the man's reputation to say he didn't have strong sides on paper. Every summer, there was at least one quality, established level purchase. The man got us Trez, Ned, Buffon, Thuram, Cannavaro, Emerson, Vieria, Ibra. Forget Zizou etc., for a minute, but the core of that team and it's progression on paper, was stronger than its opponents in a very strong league. While Lippi in my view works more with team dynamics and keeping a core group compact, I don't think Capello is the kind of coach who would function without certain European level profile players. He was hardly the reason we won the scudetti. It was completely that team, built to win, on paper and on the field.
Having said that, in my eyes, the right player is more important than a big name. But a lot of Marrotta's moves on the mercato suggest that when we need to make a push for that final leap in quality he has us questioning it. And coming back to my point for post you quoted. I was just stating the purpose that team was built for and I'd agree with Moggi's assessment of it. To me, and I know it's tiresome to even say it now, but Conte is the reason that team overperformed. Why do you think we are ahead of the curve in this cycle? Because Marrotta and Agnelli were building a team that would show its first signs of life, around now. But Conte showed up, and overachieved.
Having said that, in my eyes, the right player is more important than a big name. But a lot of Marrotta's moves on the mercato suggest that when we need to make a push for that final leap in quality he has us questioning it. And coming back to my point for post you quoted. I was just stating the purpose that team was built for and I'd agree with Moggi's assessment of it. To me, and I know it's tiresome to even say it now, but Conte is the reason that team overperformed. Why do you think we are ahead of the curve in this cycle? Because Marrotta and Agnelli were building a team that would show its first signs of life, around now. But Conte showed up, and overachieved.
