baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Marotta early on confirmed that we walked away from a potential Van Persie deal. Of course, you won't believe that. But you'll believe it when Marotta says it's his biggest regret that he couldn't sign him. That's fair enough.
As to why we didn't sign anyone else, I don't know. Sadly, I wasn't consulted in this matter. Nor am I aware of what the real (key word here) possibilities on the market were for us.
We ended up with Bendtner because it was & still is a no risk deal. His arrival hasn't improved us, nor has it weakened us.
I dont understand what market reading your ds would be doing if hes in the market for a striker and is close to agreeing terms with the striker but cant close on the deal and spends a fair amount of money on other positions in the same summer. Also, there's a difference between walking away from a deal and being outbid. Make no mistake about it, we would've had RvP if we'd matched close to the askng price. When Marrotta himself believed that he was against paying 30m for alayer in the last year of his contract. If we didnt have the money for such a signing, how could we be close to agreeing terms wi the player? Everything cant be down to devious informers because there was a precedent in the Aguero saga. You say we ended up with Bedntner like its ok if he neither improves not worsens the attack. That's where the issue lies. In a summer where you need an attacker, thgetting a player who has a negligible effect is a failure no matter how you justify it. I already touched upon the LwB issue too. Those were the two positions he needed to strengthen, he didn't fill in any of those positions. Asamoah came here as a CM, not LwB.


Again, I know we were interested in those players at a certain point in time. And at another, later, point in time we walked away. Again, feel free to believe random rumours & informers, no need to look at how the situations played out in real life.
I'm guessing the same informers and miscreants are going to be around this year too. We'll have CL money but wage problems as Marrotta has iterated. So isn't that the excuse this year? Real situations. Don't see it being any different then.


I haven't seen the official documents were we offered 30 million in cash to Fiorentina. Perhaps you have, feel free to show them. But if not, I'll continue to treat this for what it is: a rumour.
That's ironic. You choose to believe the 'rumors' about the Aguero saga and the RvP saga as being real enough. But to think we offered money for Jojo is impossible coming from the same 'informers'? Is it so hard to believe that the champions of Italy don't have 30m to spend on a player whose wages they can match? All of this may or may not be BS, but there is a slight chance that Marrotta could've also fucked up on those deals. I fail to see why that possibility isn't considered and why the club should take the knock for it? This year we are in a much better position and to say we need more time to lure world class talent for a single position also comes down to your ability to negotiate/close/convince. This year if Marrotta fails, we cannot blame the club.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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You cannot know untill the end of the summer mercato
This is in part true, but seeing his pattern in the past, it's very clear he's not going to be playing to his strengths this summer, when the focus is on quality and not depth?

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You cannot know untill the end of the summer mercato
This is in part true, but seeing his pattern in the past, it's very clear he's not going to be playing to his strengths this summer, when the focus is on quality and not depth.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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@baggio

We're going in circles. And no offense, but I get the feeling you're refusing to read what I'm writing. That or I'm unable to bring my points accross. Either way, there's no point in continuing.
 

WΏΏdy?

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Dec 23, 2005
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He magnificently carried out the orders of the board for the past 3 mercato's, and it has resulted in many trophee's.

Now comes the new phase, and i'm eager to find out if he is once again up for the task
Problem is youre going to say the exact same thing before next year before the mercato, after Marotta fails again this year.

Its a new phase every season.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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My overview of our mercato under Marotta/Paratici

List of bad/panic signings:
Martinez 12m, Armand Traore loan 500k, Rinaudo loan 600k, Bendtner (?), Anelka free

List of players who failed/didn't meet expectations:
Motta 5m, Isla 50% 9m, Elia 9m, Pazienza free, Ziegler free, Aquilani (?), Matri 18m, Krasic 15m (in the end of it), Lucio free

List of decent signings:
Pepe 10m, Storari 4.5m, Bonucci 15.5m, Sorensen 20k, Quagliarella 15m, Giaccherini 7.25m, Esti loan 500k, Asamoah 50% 9m, Caceres 9.5m, Padoin 5m, Peluso loan 1m, Giovinco 11m, Vucinic 15m, Leali 3.8m

List of best signings:
Barzagli 300k, Vidal 12.5m, Lichtsteiner 10m, Pirlo free, Pogba free

Worst transfer: Letting Del Piero go, but it's hard to blame Beppe, it's up to Agnelli - Conte, so i'd call Martinez as the worst transfer
Best transfer: Pirlo
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Problem is youre going to say the exact same thing before next year before the mercato, after Marotta fails again this year.

Its a new phase every season.
Not quite.
We have a very broad team, we are domminating serie a and progressing according to plan in europe.
There isnt really any dept player we could get thats actually beneficial to the team.

This really is the new phase.

Apart from 250mil turnover (allmost half decent, still gigantically behind the top in europe), increased appeal and CL, it now also seems there will be a number of creative attackers on the market.

The chance that not a single good opportunity arises cause we were outpriced, is very slim at the moment. We need a premium quality asset, and he'll have to deliver
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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Juventino[RUS];4140365 said:
My overview of our mercato under Marotta/Paratici

List of bad/panic signings:
Martinez 12m, Armand Traore loan 500k, Rinaudo loan 600k, Bendtner (?), Anelka free

List of players who failed/didn't meet expectations:
Motta 5m, Isla 50% 9m, Elia 9m, Pazienza free, Ziegler free, Aquilani (?), Matri 18m, Krasic 15m (in the end of it), Lucio free

List of decent signings:
Pepe 10m, Storari 4.5m, Bonucci 15.5m, Sorensen 20k, Quagliarella 15m, Giaccherini 7.25m, Esti loan 500k, Asamoah 50% 9m, Caceres 9.5m, Padoin 5m, Peluso loan 1m, Giovinco 11m, Vucinic 15m, Leali 3.8m

List of best signings:
Barzagli 300k, Vidal 12.5m, Lichtsteiner 10m, Pirlo free, Pogba free

Worst transfer: Letting Del Piero go, but it's hard to blame Beppe, it's up to Agnelli - Conte, so i'd call Martinez as the worst transfer
Best transfer: Pirlo
So out of 30+ transfers we can really only say 5 were truly good? Doesn't sound that amazing...
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
you armchair people couldnt manage the toilet paper, yet you criticise the man who rebuild juventus and made it sustainable, whilse the classic greats all fell down and had to sell everything.

Yeah, what an awfull man this marotta is

excuse me now, i'll go take a break in his trophee cabinet, wich has 2 serie a titles and a supercoppa, and the core of players making it to euro finals
 
Jul 2, 2006
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Juventino[RUS];4140365 said:
My overview of our mercato under Marotta/Paratici

List of bad/panic signings:
Martinez 12m, Armand Traore loan 500k, Rinaudo loan 600k, Bendtner (?), Anelka free

List of players who failed/didn't meet expectations:
Motta 5m, Isla 50% 9m, Elia 9m, Pazienza free, Ziegler free, Aquilani (?), Matri 18m, Krasic 15m (in the end of it), Lucio free

List of decent signings:
Pepe 10m, Storari 4.5m, Bonucci 15.5m, Sorensen 20k, Quagliarella 15m, Giaccherini 7.25m, Esti loan 500k, Asamoah 50% 9m, Caceres 9.5m, Padoin 5m, Peluso loan 1m, Giovinco 11m, Vucinic 15m, Leali 3.8m

List of best signings:
Barzagli 300k, Vidal 12.5m, Lichtsteiner 10m, Pirlo free, Pogba free

Worst transfer: Letting Del Piero go, but it's hard to blame Beppe, it's up to Agnelli - Conte, so i'd call Martinez as the worst transfer
Best transfer: Pirlo
What about kicking out Trezeguet while still paying %70 of his wages and replacing him with Luca Toni?

Not to mention you should also add the catastrophes he could not manage to get like Floro Flores, Lisandro Lopez, swapping Bonucci with Bruno Alves...
Bendtner is alternative of Van Persie, list goes on.

Most important of all.. One simply can't pay 12 million for Jorge Martinez and 18 for Matri. These are not bad signings in my book, it's robbery.
 

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