Giuseppe Marotta (91 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

I think people forget that less than 2 years ago this club was in 7th place with no hope at all for the future. In 2 years time we as fans will see this team win it's second consecutive scudetto and make it to the quarterfinals of the Champions League. With the potential for an influx of young talent coming through the pipeline.

Now, I know that I am older than 95% of the people on this forum, but how is it that I have more patience than a lot of you that are probably half my age? You guys have plenty of time, just relax. I, on the other hand, have more sand on the bottom of the hourglass than the top.

Don't people in general have less patience these days compared to 15 years ago? I can't shake the feeling that they want everything & they want it right now, not in 6 months, let alone a year from now.

Add to that that football fans aren't exactly known for their intelligence (I know I'm exaggerating, but still) or objectivity but rather for their emotional & often irrational thinking. For every dozen opinions or criticisms, you'd be lucky to find one that can actually be backed up & justified to an outsider.

Yeah, but an outsider probably wouldn't agree with several of the purchases under Marotta.

The majority of the forum is actually very patient when it comes to actual signings, no matter their past performance at other clubs.

People like to think they're being objective by supporting signings no matter what and giving time for folks to show their stuff, but this is essentially the politically correct version of fandom -- which is no different than any other characteristic of being a "fan." Some fans are impatient, others are patient, it doesn't really matter.

 

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[Buck Fuddy]

The majority of the forum is actually very patient when it comes to actual signings, no matter their past performance at other clubs.

That's not true at all though, is it? Just look at the reactions for our latest signing(s) this winter.

Besides, too many people are blinded by big names anyway. Regardless of how a Padoin might do when called upon, he's a crap Marotta signing. Money down the drain. Etc. Pepe has undeniably been a major factor in last season's scudetto, yet he'll always be not worthy of Juve for a big number of people.

How you perform on the pitch & the (objective) results you bring don't seem to be the most important thing for a number of people.
Which explains the reactions you see of after Giaccherini scores a vital goal against Catania. You'd think we'd all be going crazy since this may very well the most important goal of the season, but that's not the case at all. Instead, you see people moaning because it was him who scored, because he's not good enough, because he doesn't deserve to be on the pitch, ...

People like to think they're being objective by supporting signings no matter what and giving time for folks to show their stuff, but this is essentially the politically correct version of fandom -- which is no different than any other characteristic of being a "fan." Some fans are impatient, others are patient, it doesn't really matter.

Is there even a single person who supports our signings no matter what?

But it's true that there's no such thing as an entirely objective fan.

 

[KB824]

Yeah, but an outsider probably wouldn't agree with several of the purchases under Marotta.

The majority of the forum is actually very patient when it comes to actual signings, no matter their past performance at other clubs.

People like to think they're being objective by supporting signings no matter what and giving time for folks to show their stuff, but this is essentially the politically correct version of fandom -- which is no different than any other characteristic of being a "fan." Some fans are impatient, others are patient, it doesn't really matter.

No, that's just people being fanboys, and being ultra defensive of Marotta. As Buck alluded to earlier, I don't think that there is a single person in or outside this forum who have agreed with every single move that Marotta has made. Obviously because not every move he has made has worked, but when you look at it as a whole, I feel it has to be deemed so far as a successful tenure. I can't think of any other reason for it not to be, unless you (meaning everyone in general) wants to constantly harp on the lack of that one clinical striker. Economics tell you that the most desirable position in football is also A) The most expensive position to spend money on, and B) the position that teams are the least willing to sell off unless it is at an inflated price.

With that being said though, this puzzle is almost complete. But this puzzle took time. If Llorente can be as advertised and someone such as a Sanchez can come along as well, then this could very well be one of the more complete teams in Europe.

I just think, and this is not a criticism of any fellow posters here, that sometimes you need to take a step back and see where we were two years ago, and where we are now. Those two seasons were very bad memories. Very very bad memories. However, take this into context. In the past 3 seasons since Marotta has been here, Juve were not Juve for one half of a season. That is 5 months out of 25. It could be a lot worse.

In my opinion, he has helped lead this club on the right track, both in the senior squad and the youth system. Back to the way that it used to be many years ago, when Juve had a pipeline that would be unrivaled in Italy and most of Europe. That is the way I have always wanted this Juve to be, back to its roots, and I know that you and I have had so many discussions on the phone about this, and we are, or at least were, in agreement.

Now, the big test is this summer, and it is squarely on his shoulders to deliver a striker this summer in addition to Llorente. This will be the test to see if he can help take this club to the next level.

 

[Hust]

Even if he gets another top striker the excuse will always be "it took him too long to get a striker"...

He will always have his batch of members who don't like him.

 

[Raz]

They all do, it's natural to question and criticue those in power, and it's good and healthy to do that. Just the over the head no matter what bashing can get a bit boring.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Even if he gets another top striker the excuse will always be "it took him too long to get a striker"...

He will always have his batch of members who don't like him.

They will find new reasons to hate him. The Great Man juggernaut will roll on.

 

[Hust]

People were more consistent in dissing Marotta than Ranieri it seems.

I guess because Marotta did his job and is still employed.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

apparently Nedved might take over Marotta should we not renew marotta's contract which expires in june. Nedved with his contacts to raiola?

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[Bianconero_Aus]

What a load of rot.

If and when The Great Man changes roles with Juventus, his obvious and only successor is Fabio Paratici. Clearly being groomed for the role.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

if somehow we sign ibra, Nedved is going to take more of the credit than marotta will

 

[YasoR17]

apparently Nedved might take over Marotta should we not renew marotta's contract which expires in june. Nedved with his contacts to raiola?

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Pfft, bullshit. Marotta is going nowhere.

 

[Bjerknes]

That's not true at all though, is it? Just look at the reactions for our latest signing(s) this winter.

From my experience, yes. This is limited to those players who have already signed, of course. Once they become players, fans throw away history and actually defend the players, which I guess is fine. But my point is that you can stick with opinions while hoping a player succeeds. What someone writes on a forum is not necessarily what they would say directly to a player or another individual. For me, I dislike Pepe and always have, but I wouldn't boo him at the stadium.

Besides, too many people are blinded by big names anyway. Regardless of how a Padoin might do when called upon, he's a crap Marotta signing. Money down the drain. Etc. Pepe has undeniably been a major factor in last season's scudetto, yet he'll always be not worthy of Juve for a big number of people.

How you perform on the pitch & the (objective) results you bring don't seem to be the most important thing for a number of people.
Which explains the reactions you see of after Giaccherini scores a vital goal against Catania. You'd think we'd all be going crazy since this may very well the most important goal of the season, but that's not the case at all. Instead, you see people moaning because it was him who scored, because he's not good enough, because he doesn't deserve to be on the pitch, ...

People are obsessed with big names, it's true. Some big names are overhyped and overpriced, others... Well, the proof is in the pudding when it comes to their market value. I'd say someone like Suarez would fit that bill. Sure, some players like Pepe might step up from time to time, work hard, et cetera. But they aren't going to take us to the next level -- which is naturally what fans want.

Regarding the forum nonsense you mentioned, I think that some of what is written here is actually not a true reflection of what folks actually believe. Many have found themselves in forum squabbles where they want to prove a point, do they over exaggerate the issue. I know I've done that, so have folks on the otherside of the spectrum from me. Or if one player like Giovinco is getting abused, someone will criticize Vucinic in return if they're not doing so hot to level the playing field and put things in perspective. Fact is, it's just a forum and nobody knows what anyone else truly believes. You might think I am an asshole, and on the forums I am probably a big one, but it doesn't really say much apart from the fact that I have the ability a message.

No, that's just people being fanboys, and being ultra defensive of Marotta. As Buck alluded to earlier, I don't think that there is a single person in or outside this forum who have agreed with every single move that Marotta has made. Obviously because not every move he has made has worked, but when you look at it as a whole, I feel it has to be deemed so far as a successful tenure. I can't think of any other reason for it not to be, unless you (meaning everyone in general) wants to constantly harp on the lack of that one clinical striker. Economics tell you that the most desirable position in football is also A) The most expensive position to spend money on, and B) the position that teams are the least willing to sell off unless it is at an inflated price.

With that being said though, this puzzle is almost complete. But this puzzle took time. If Llorente can be as advertised and someone such as a Sanchez can come along as well, then this could very well be one of the more complete teams in Europe.

I just think, and this is not a criticism of any fellow posters here, that sometimes you need to take a step back and see where we were two years ago, and where we are now. Those two seasons were very bad memories. Very very bad memories. However, take this into context. In the past 3 seasons since Marotta has been here, Juve were not Juve for one half of a season. That is 5 months out of 25. It could be a lot worse.

In my opinion, he has helped lead this club on the right track, both in the senior squad and the youth system. Back to the way that it used to be many years ago, when Juve had a pipeline that would be unrivaled in Italy and most of Europe. That is the way I have always wanted this Juve to be, back to its roots, and I know that you and I have had so many discussions on the phone about this, and we are, or at least were, in agreement.

Now, the big test is this summer, and it is squarely on his shoulders to deliver a striker this summer in addition to Llorente. This will be the test to see if he can help take this club to the next level.

The problem I see (apart from what I've already said in the past that I won't rehash since everyone has their own views) is what happens when Pirlo and Barzagli are too old to play. The latter will be 32 and the former is already showing signs of decline. Pogba is not a Pirlo type player, obviously, so we need to PLAN for that, not just wait for him to be too old like we did with Alex. So it's not a case where a couple signings will take us to the next level in the long run. I know Marotta is looking at certain youngsters and its the only saving grace I see before I vomit my jack Daniels everywhere, but we still become too reliant on certain players for me to say that we can reach the top in two years. We have many challenges ahead, and replacing Pirlo is a huge obstacle that probably won't happen.

That is why we need to adapt.

 

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