Giuseppe Marotta (126 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

I'd say right now Hernanes looks like a flop and that Zaza may end up being obsolete, if we continue with a 4-3-3. Which didn't seem like the plan when we were building the team....so apportion the blame accordingly. Having Pereyra fit would improve both that and the 4-3-3.

 

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[ADP1897]

Diego and Melo was justified. But cuadrado and hernanes simply unacceptable. While at it, I do agree it's too soon to trash marotta (injury, etc). The only good thing about Cuadrado deal it's only a loan, so we could re-evaluate before buy his outright.

And why with the hate to zaza. He's remind me of matri. I like his guts, and with little chances allegri give him he's scored. But yes 18 mil really step price.

 

[duranfj]

Melo, saponara, Diego... Are you all joking?

11 players in the field. 11 top players you need. No 20 descent players. Look barca or RM, they hardly could put together are even descent alternative mid-table squad... Dont buy quantity never again, just quality

 

[rndmlgnd]

People saying Melo and Diego were (are) good players.

This is a new low, even for Marotta's haters.

 

[Post Ironic]

€50m on Melo and Diego over 15/16 mercato any day

I'd say no Melo, but Wolfsburg-level Diego would suit this Juventus squad perfectly as our AM.

Imagine having kept Vidal, bought a CAM of that Diego-calibre, Dybala, Alex Sandro, Khedira, SS backup this mercato... Vidal would be able to return to destroying in the midfield, we'd have the new CAM + Pereyra. Khedira and Asamoah for midfield depth. Alex Sandro rotating with Evra. Llorente and Morata as our CFs. Dybala + a cheap young Italian as our SS.

Would have been perfect mercato. So get rid of Zaza, Hernanes, Lemina. Save 49 mil outright from Zaza, Mandzu (even if I like him), Hernanes... We gave away Llorente for free, so we may as well just have kept him as Morata's backup rather than playing Morata out of position and stalling his development for Mandzukic. 49 mil + not committing money for Lemina. We could have tempted multiple CAMs with that. Certainly Bayern to sell us Gotze for 50 mil, and say 5 mil in wages or thereabouts.

 

[JuveJay]

Melo, saponara, Diego... Are you all joking?

11 players in the field. 11 top players you need. No 20 descent players. Look barca or RM, they hardly could put together are even descent alternative mid-table squad... Dont buy quantity never again, just quality

Barcelona and Real Madrid each have one of the best players of all time backed by world class players with massive fees and massive salaries. Oh and they have turnovers €250m higher. So we can't sign a Ronaldo, Bale, James or whoever in the first place, and subsequently we don't have the draw to sign additional top class players. I'm talking about the category and draw that those two clubs have. The only way around it is PSG, City or Chelsea money, and even then they don't have the same appeal for player. Serie A has reduced appeal. Bale isn't coming here. James isn't. Not even Modric.

BTW Real Madrid had a bench of Casilla, Varane, Arbeloa, Kovacic, James and Jese in the last game, but I know what you are saying (applies more to Barcelona). With our injuries we'd be in trouble, but they have Ronaldo or some other guy to bail them out in most games.

So we're having to do what the PL clubs have to do - sign young players who have the potential to be big stars. But then Pogba and Dybala eventually end up at Barcelona, so what do you do to combat that? We need to generate more income, continually win trophies inc. CL, somehow keep hold of our players, improve our youth system so we can pad our squad with youth products and spend all our money on 1-2 players each season. It took Barcelona 10-15 years, the decline of Serie A, Ronaldinho, Messi and his supporting cast to become the desired location to play football.

 

[rndmlgnd]

Is Marotta a magician with a time-travelling machine or a sporting director?

Also, Mandzukic > Llorente.

 

[Post Ironic]

Barcelona and Real Madrid each have one of the best players of all time backed by world class players with massive fees and massive salaries. Oh and they have turnovers €250m higher. So we can't sign a Ronaldo, Bale, James or whoever in the first place, and subsequently we don't have the draw to sign additional top class players. I'm talking about the category and draw that those two clubs have. The only way around it is PSG, City or Chelsea money, and even then they don't have the same appeal for player. Serie A has reduced appeal. Bale isn't coming here. James isn't. Not even Modric.

BTW Real Madrid had a bench of Casilla, Varane, Arbeloa, Kovacic, James and Jese in the last game, but I know what you are saying (applies more to Barcelona). With our injuries we'd be in trouble, but they have Ronaldo or some other guy to bail them out in most games.

So we're having to do what the PL clubs have to do - sign young players who have the potential to be big stars. But then Pogba and Dybala eventually end up at Barcelona, so what do you do to combat that? We need to generate more income, continually win trophies inc. CL, somehow keep hold of our players, improve our youth system so we can pad our squad with youth products and spend all our money on 1-2 players each season. It took Barcelona 10-15 years, the decline of Serie A, Ronaldinho, Messi and his supporting cast to become the desired location to play football.

SO you're saying we need to develop like early 2000s Barcelona, early 90s Juve, pre-2010 Bayern... I'd agree with that. However, missing out on CL for next year would not be the best way to go about that. It's looking right now like we attempted far too large a transition for one summer, especially without purchasing more established players.

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Is Marotta a magician with a time-travelling machine or a sporting director?

Also, Mandzukic > Llorente.

Of course Mandzukic > Llorente and it's not particularly close. The problem is that we gave Llorente away for free and bought Mandzukic for 20mil. Are we going to give Mandzukic away for free in 2 years, if he has a bad season?

It was stupid. If we sold Llorente for 8-10 mil, and upgraded to Mandzukic? Great. That would be awesome. But we actually just gave Llorente away, so the difference between the 2 players doesn't justify how we handled the 2 transfers imo. It was stupid.

 

[duranfj]

Barcelona and Real Madrid each have one of the best players of all time backed by world class players with massive fees and massive salaries. Oh and they have turnovers €250m higher. So we can't sign a Ronaldo, Bale, James or whoever in the first place, and subsequently we don't have the draw to sign additional top class players. I'm talking about the category and draw that those two clubs have. The only way around it is PSG, City or Chelsea money, and even then they don't have the same appeal for player. Serie A has reduced appeal. Bale isn't coming here. James isn't. Not even Modric.

BTW Real Madrid had a bench of Casilla, Varane, Arbeloa, Kovacic, James and Jese in the last game, but I know what you are saying (applies more to Barcelona). With our injuries we'd be in trouble, but they have Ronaldo or some other guy to bail them out in most games.

So we're having to do what the PL clubs have to do - sign young players who have the potential to be big stars. But then Pogba and Dybala eventually end up at Barcelona, so what do you do to combat that? We need to generate more income, continually win trophies inc. CL, somehow keep hold of our players, improve our youth system so we can pad our squad with youth products and spend all our money on 1-2 players each season. It took Barcelona 10-15 years, the decline of Serie A, Ronaldinho, Messi and his supporting cast to become the desired location to play football.

We can't afford WC players and I'm with Beppe in this. We need to but promise youngster like Dybala. However we can afford players like gundogan, pjanic, parejo, texeira, gaitan.. Instead we are buying players like lemina, hernanes and zaza and if you add guys like melo, Diego and saponara. Could you imagine all those guys in the field at the same time

 

[Hust]

I'd say right now Hernanes looks like a flop and that Zaza may end up being obsolete, if we continue with a 4-3-3. Which didn't seem like the plan when we were building the team....so apportion the blame accordingly. Having Pereyra fit would improve both that and the 4-3-3.

We def weren't planning to use the 433 and if that was the plan I bet we would have kept Coman.

 

[Khunglongkhelua]

At first I was pissed when Tuz people speaks ill to Marotta, but then I started to think these people can only dream to have a life and job the great guy having. That helps me to calm down and now looking at these fictitious criticism posts I can finally smile. :daibeppe:

 

[.zero]

So many insinuations that Serie A clubs are midgets compared to the other leagues in Europe when it comes to spending and Juve is the tallest midget in Italy

 

[Scottish]

So many insinuations that Serie A clubs are midgets compared to the other leagues in Europe when it comes to spending and Juve is the tallest midget in Italy

There is a gap but I agree with you that the gap isn't as big as we (myself included) think it is sometimes. How the gap manifests is in the difference in draw to players. Clearly Madrid and Barca are Madrid and Barca. Bayern and Paris are special cases. England is a big draw because of the money but after that it's Italy, the rest of Germany, Spain and France then everybody else.

I think we're still attractive to players but they could make more money elsewhere so choose that.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

How much did secco "waste" that summer?

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Melo - 25M
Diego - 25M

Not to mention the various freebies and garbage players like Grosso, Paolucci and Cannavaro he loaded the team with. They might not have spent more money than Marotta and co this past summer, but they badly damanged that a team that was expected to kick on and fight for the title after the season before. Those players (along with the management and poor coaches at the time) were the reason we were in that terrible mess in the first place.

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And I do love that revionism from certain posters about Felipe Melo. His 2009/10 season was perhaps the WORST individual season I've ever seen from a Juventus player, probably only rivalled by Isla (who at least had the injury excuse to use)

 

[JuveID]

Imagine if we did not buy hernanes, allegri would start padoin in regista position against city and sevilla

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Who did want to pay transfer fee for someone like llorente?
He had salary around 3-4 million per year and already 30 years old.

Big clubs do not need him. Big club can afford another great player.
Small club can not afford him. It's better for them to invest in prospect youngster with cheap salary.

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Abouy zaza, keep in mind sassuolo gave us 7,5 million to us so we can buy morata.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I'd give away Marchisio ( ) and Hernanes in a heartbeat for those two!

 

[Fr3sh]

So many insinuations that Serie A clubs are midgets compared to the other leagues in Europe when it comes to spending and Juve is the tallest midget in Italy

But they are
And Juve is a dwarf horse around a bunch of dwarf donkeys.

 

[Klin]

Imagine if we did not buy hernanes, allegri would start padoin in regista position against city and sevilla

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Who did want to pay transfer fee for someone like llorente?
He had salary around 3-4 million per year and already 30 years old.

Big clubs do not need him. Big club can afford another great player.
Small club can not afford him. It's better for them to invest in prospect youngster with cheap salary.

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Abouy zaza, keep in mind sassuolo gave us 7,5 million to us so we can buy morata.

@Osman

 

[Post Ironic]

Imagine if we did not buy hernanes, allegri would start padoin in regista position against city and sevilla

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Who did want to pay transfer fee for someone like llorente?
He had salary around 3-4 million per year and already 30 years old.

Big clubs do not need him. Big club can afford another great player.
Small club can not afford him. It's better for them to invest in prospect youngster with cheap salary.

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Abouy zaza, keep in mind sassuolo gave us 7,5 million to us so we can buy morata.

Imagine if we did not sell Vidal, we would have no reason to buy an utterly useless Hernanes. Imagine that.

Imagine also, that we could have kept Pirlo another year, who is still a far better player than Hernanes.

If we could not sell Llorente at 30, on 3-4 mil salary... I suppose we're looking at the same problem with Mandzukic in the next year or two, seeing as Mandzukic is 29 and on 3-4 mil salary. We should have just kept Llorente as our backup to Morata if that was the case. Or we should not be purchasing 29 year old strikers and giving them wages so high that we cannot sell them in the future.

 

[Bjerknes]

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Melo - 25M
Diego - 25M

Not to mention the various freebies and garbage players like Grosso, Paolucci and Cannavaro he loaded the team with. They might not have spent more money than Marotta and co this past summer, but they badly damanged that a team that was expected to kick on and fight for the title after the season before. Those players (along with the management and poor coaches at the time) were the reason we were in that terrible mess in the first place.

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And I do love that revionism from certain posters about Felipe Melo. His 2009/10 season was perhaps the WORST individual season I've ever seen from a Juventus player, probably only rivalled by Isla (who at least had the injury excuse to use)

Really? You seriously think Blasi or Molinaro were better? There are probably others, but people tend to hate Melo for a lot of invalid reasons so it's difficult to take a lot of his criticism seriously. Starting off with his price tag and ending with his nationality and former/current team.