Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,616
Marotta has a good eye for talent and is very good at getting a bargain. That should be beyond dispute. Yes some deals were bad but he had a lot of great moves in the market as well. Pogba, Barzagli, Pirlo, Vidal, Tevez, Licht, Koman, and possibly Khedira and Rugani are all great deals. Marotta demonstrated that he can get great bargains already.

The question is, has Marotta demonstrated that his signings are properly prioritized? Does he just buy random great bargains or does he prioritize purchases based on the needs of the squad before trying to get a bargain deal? In my view he has prioritized in seasons of low transfer activity but did not prioritize when we were supposed to bring in a lot of players.

Take the summer before Conte's 2011 for instance. What sort of players were given? we got a random group of bargain deals back then too. However, back then we had no set formation in the team, whatever old formation was there (4-4-2) was not working at all anyway, and so it made sense to buy all kinds of players in different positions with different attributes, skills ages and roles and tell Conte "here you go.. make a new formation and game plan out of this large group". Conte experimented with some formations and eventually settled on the 3-5-2.

We did not have a functioning formation before. The 3-5-2 was something new that Conte thought would suit the group best. Conte was growing a system out of a group that had no system before hand. He was starting from scratch.

This last Mercato seems to me to be terribly similar to our pre-2011 mercato. We signed a lot of bargain deals of all kinds of players and give them to allegri and asked him to grow some system out of them. Its like hitting the reset button on the squad. My problem with this is that I dont see why Marotta had to do this at all? Unlike 2011 we already have a functioning formation with a particular game plan. It was even functioning in the absence of Pirlo and Vidal (provided adequate subs) and so Tevez was supposed to be the one to be really missed. This mercato was supposed to build on the last season and not restart the whole process.

We have seen marotta prioritize before. When it was clear that our attack was lacking world class players he went and got us tevez and llorente in one window. They were bargains yes but they were bargains in poistions that we really needed. We also lacked cover in CB and he got us ogbonna.

I think if marotta had acted as startegically as he did in any of the mercatos that we had other than 2011, this team would have been much better. Sadly, he thought we need a market that builds an entirely new squad.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
Marotta has a good eye for talent and is very good at getting a bargain. That should be beyond dispute. Yes some deals were bad but he had a lot of great moves in the market as well. Pogba, Barzagli, Pirlo, Vidal, Tevez, Licht, Koman, and possibly Khedira and Rugani are all great deals. Marotta demonstrated that he can get great bargains already.

The question is, has Marotta demonstrated that his signings are properly prioritized? Does he just buy random great bargains or does he prioritize purchases based on the needs of the squad before trying to get a bargain deal? In my view he has prioritized in seasons of low transfer activity but did not prioritize when we were supposed to bring in a lot of players.

Take the summer before Conte's 2011 for instance. What sort of players were given? we got a random group of bargain deals back then too. However, back then we had no set formation in the team, whatever old formation was there (4-4-2) was not working at all anyway, and so it made sense to buy all kinds of players in different positions with different attributes, skills ages and roles and tell Conte "here you go.. make a new formation and game plan out of this large group". Conte experimented with some formations and eventually settled on the 3-5-2.

We did not have a functioning formation before. The 3-5-2 was something new that Conte thought would suit the group best. Conte was growing a system out of a group that had no system before hand. He was starting from scratch.

This last Mercato seems to me to be terribly similar to our pre-2011 mercato. We signed a lot of bargain deals of all kinds of players and give them to allegri and asked him to grow some system out of them. Its like hitting the reset button on the squad. My problem with this is that I dont see why Marotta had to do this at all? Unlike 2011 we already have a functioning formation with a particular game plan. It was even functioning in the absence of Pirlo and Vidal (provided adequate subs) and so Tevez was supposed to be the one to be really missed. This mercato was supposed to build on the last season and not restart the whole process.

We have seen marotta prioritize before. When it was clear that our attack was lacking world class players he went and got us tevez and llorente in one window. They were bargains yes but they were bargains in poistions that we really needed. We also lacked cover in CB and he got us ogbonna.

I think if marotta had acted as startegically as he did in any of the mercatos that we had other than 2011, this team would have been much better. Sadly, he thought we need a market that builds an entirely new squad.
That is probably the best analysis and description of the entire situation. Very well put!
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
With all those changes that were made, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this club dropped 7 points in its first three matches at home against the powerhouses known as Udinese, Chievo, and Frosinone :howler:


Even with the injuries, and the new players that came on board, you don't drop points, at home, AGAINST THOSE THREE CLUBS. If this team had done its job in the beginning of the season, they would be 2 points off the top of the table.

Who to blame? Fuck it. I blame everyone. Management, coaches, players. I can understand the losses at Napoli and Roma. I get it. Those are two really good teams playing on their home turf. A tough task regardless. I don't even know what to make of that Sassuolo clusterfuck. Team is too good, and too talented to be where they are right now.

But Marotta did too much too soon this summer, Allegri has been too indecisive and inconsistent in his tactics, and the players (some of them ) have been too comfortable in their current lot in life.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,802
With all those changes that were made, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this club dropped 7 points in its first three matches at home against the powerhouses known as Udinese, Chievo, and Frosinone :howler:


Even with the injuries, and the new players that came on board, you don't drop points, at home, AGAINST THOSE THREE CLUBS. If this team had done its job in the beginning of the season, they would be 2 points off the top of the table.

Who to blame? Fuck it. I blame everyone. Management, coaches, players. I can understand the losses at Napoli and Roma. I get it. Those are two really good teams playing on their home turf. A tough task regardless. I don't even know what to make of that Sassuolo clusterfuck. Team is too good, and too talented to be where they are right now.

But Marotta did too much too soon this summer, Allegri has been too indecisive and inconsistent in his tactics, and the players (some of them ) have been too comfortable in their current lot in life.


:tup:
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Dru, I still can't wrap my head around those first three home matches. I just can't. Yes, they had injuries at the start of the season. Yes, there were a bunch of new players coming in. Still. Even with that, this squad is vastly superior to those three on a talent and coaching level. Playing at home no less, that was once considered the death knell of any club that went in there, regardless of quality. The same team that beat both Man City and Sevilla in that very same month.

I know that they say that you don't wing a league in September, but those 7 lost points could very well affect their ability to get into the Top three, and that is disturbing, and inexcusable
 

.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
82,842
Dru, I still can't wrap my head around those first three home matches. I just can't. Yes, they had injuries at the start of the season. Yes, there were a bunch of new players coming in. Still. Even with that, this squad is vastly superior to those three on a talent and coaching level. Playing at home no less, that was once considered the death knell of any club that went in there, regardless of quality. The same team that beat both Man City and Sevilla in that very same month.

I know that they say that you don't wing a league in September, but those 7 lost points could very well affect their ability to get into the Top three, and that is disturbing, and inexcusable
100%
 

Fake Melo

Ghost Division
Sep 3, 2010
37,077
Marotta has a good eye for talent and is very good at getting a bargain. That should be beyond dispute. Yes some deals were bad but he had a lot of great moves in the market as well. Pogba, Barzagli, Pirlo, Vidal, Tevez, Licht, Koman, and possibly Khedira and Rugani are all great deals. Marotta demonstrated that he can get great bargains already.

The question is, has Marotta demonstrated that his signings are properly prioritized? Does he just buy random great bargains or does he prioritize purchases based on the needs of the squad before trying to get a bargain deal? In my view he has prioritized in seasons of low transfer activity but did not prioritize when we were supposed to bring in a lot of players.

Take the summer before Conte's 2011 for instance. What sort of players were given? we got a random group of bargain deals back then too. However, back then we had no set formation in the team, whatever old formation was there (4-4-2) was not working at all anyway, and so it made sense to buy all kinds of players in different positions with different attributes, skills ages and roles and tell Conte "here you go.. make a new formation and game plan out of this large group". Conte experimented with some formations and eventually settled on the 3-5-2.

We did not have a functioning formation before. The 3-5-2 was something new that Conte thought would suit the group best. Conte was growing a system out of a group that had no system before hand. He was starting from scratch.

This last Mercato seems to me to be terribly similar to our pre-2011 mercato. We signed a lot of bargain deals of all kinds of players and give them to allegri and asked him to grow some system out of them. Its like hitting the reset button on the squad. My problem with this is that I dont see why Marotta had to do this at all? Unlike 2011 we already have a functioning formation with a particular game plan. It was even functioning in the absence of Pirlo and Vidal (provided adequate subs) and so Tevez was supposed to be the one to be really missed. This mercato was supposed to build on the last season and not restart the whole process.

We have seen marotta prioritize before. When it was clear that our attack was lacking world class players he went and got us tevez and llorente in one window. They were bargains yes but they were bargains in poistions that we really needed. We also lacked cover in CB and he got us ogbonna.

I think if marotta had acted as startegically as he did in any of the mercatos that we had other than 2011, this team would have been much better. Sadly, he thought we need a market that builds an entirely new squad.
With all those changes that were made, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this club dropped 7 points in its first three matches at home against the powerhouses known as Udinese, Chievo, and Frosinone :howler:


Even with the injuries, and the new players that came on board, you don't drop points, at home, AGAINST THOSE THREE CLUBS. If this team had done its job in the beginning of the season, they would be 2 points off the top of the table.

Who to blame? Fuck it. I blame everyone. Management, coaches, players. I can understand the losses at Napoli and Roma. I get it. Those are two really good teams playing on their home turf. A tough task regardless. I don't even know what to make of that Sassuolo clusterfuck. Team is too good, and too talented to be where they are right now.

But Marotta did too much too soon this summer, Allegri has been too indecisive and inconsistent in his tactics, and the players (some of them ) have been too comfortable in their current lot in life.
Two great posts.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
With all those changes that were made, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this club dropped 7 points in its first three matches at home against the powerhouses known as Udinese, Chievo, and Frosinone :howler:


Even with the injuries, and the new players that came on board, you don't drop points, at home, AGAINST THOSE THREE CLUBS. If this team had done its job in the beginning of the season, they would be 2 points off the top of the table.

Who to blame? Fuck it. I blame everyone. Management, coaches, players. I can understand the losses at Napoli and Roma. I get it. Those are two really good teams playing on their home turf. A tough task regardless. I don't even know what to make of that Sassuolo clusterfuck. Team is too good, and too talented to be where they are right now.

But Marotta did too much too soon this summer, Allegri has been too indecisive and inconsistent in his tactics, and the players (some of them ) have been too comfortable in their current lot in life.
All of this.

And especially the bolded part.

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:lol:

What do you mean by "our puns were bad"? :(
@piotrr It's Finidi making puns with Ocelot :cry:
The best kind of bad :kiss:
 
Jan 5, 2011
1,978
Jesus, if any of Tuz members ever play stock, they would be broke in half a year with their premature judging only after 3 months into the season. Give a board a full year before spreading any insults or judgement on them please.
 

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