Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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Unfortunately mgt can't use this when making some deal.

We'll see by the end of season and evaluate their performances for their respective teams.
Ofcourse they can't.But I don't know what convinced them that Khedira who's had his problems for the past two yrs could replace Vidal.
At first I was positive about the replacements but Marotta has only piled up more quantity in our midfield while letting go off two players who were pillars of our midfield for 3-4 yrs despite having a bad last yr.
The midfield rejuvenation job has been done rather poorly.It's the worst par of our team now.It's clearly an error from Marotta.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Actually in this case they could as Vidal is a much better player than Khedira and it's not even close.
Ofcourse they can't.But I don't know what convinced them that Khedira who's had his problems for the past two yrs could replace Vidal.
At first I was positive about the replacements but Marotta has only piled up more quantity in our midfield while letting go off two players who were pillars of our midfield for 3-4 yrs despite having a bad last yr.
The midfield rejuvenation job has been done rather poorly.It's the worst par of our team now.It's clearly an error from Marotta.
I've never seen him as Vidal's replacement, more like Pirlo's. Adding more bodies to the midfield since maestro was bound to leave and Khedira had been signed before any kind of rumors of Vidal's sale resurfaced. Khedira is now considered Vidal's replacement due to Chilean's leave, but it was never meant to be like that. Vidal wasn't properly replaced. Hernanes and Lemina are rather underwhelming signings.

Still you can't argue that with Khedira-Marchisio-Pogba our midfield would be rather strong. But these 3 being fit at the same time is another story.
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
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I've never seen him as Vidal's replacement, more like Pirlo's. Adding more bodies to the midfield since maestro was bound to leave and Khedira had been signed before any kind of rumors of Vidal's sale resurfaced. Khedira is now considered Vidal's replacement due to Chilean's leave, but it was never meant to be like that. Vidal wasn't properly replaced. Hernanes and Lemina are rather underwhelming signings.

Still you can't argue that with Khedira-Marchisio-Pogba our midfield would be rather strong. But these 3 being fit at the same time is another story.
Hernanes then? I'd stick with Khedira if I were you.
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
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Master move. In hindsight it's also great how Vidal looks like a pile of $#@! at Bayern and Khedira looks like a fit Usain Bolt on the field.
More,Khedira aka Usain Bolt is on pretty hefty 3.5 mil, per season, so that free agent bullshit story of Beppe defenders don't hold water.Also Alex Sandro was just one year left with his contract and we payed 26 mil . for him.We should learn from Porto how to sell players.

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Khedira in no shape or form is better than Vidal

Imagine if someone had stated Khedira being better/or even on par with Vidal (if he was still at Juventus).That person would've been bashed by most of the forum.
Rightfully.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Hernanes then? I'd stick with Khedira if I were you.
He wasn't brought to start here and as I've said Vidal wasn't replaced with the player of the same caliber. Pereyra is likely to start as our attacking midfielder, but he's been injured as well.
 

DUKAC

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Feb 29, 2012
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Anyway it's very funny how the very same members at this forum were feeling about Pirlo last year ,that he is "grandpa',slow,'defensive liability","bench him"among other things ,now they hail him utmost.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Porto and Juventus are two different things entirely. We consider ourselves elite, they know they are a big club but not elite. With that mentality they can manufacture and sell to the elite, whereas we see it as a sleight on the club if a player asks to leave to a 'bigger club'.

The other players we sell are either unwanted or we have given concessions on a personal level. Maybe that's not a good way to do business on a financial level but on a personal level you can either hold players ransom, coerce them (and invariably get less out of them), or have them wasting away with a fat salary.

If we were Porto we would have sold Pogba already to the highest bidder, sold Vidal 3 years ago, be selling Dybala in a couple of seasons, would have sold Bonucci. Constantly rotating roster of players because that is what the club is there to do. Be competitive in Serie A? Probably, but winning is different, look what has happened with an unsettled team. It's not Liga NOS where you play nobodies for 2/3 of your fixtures. Competitive in the CL? Definitely not.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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That's the point actually. We don't know if Pogba and/or Morata will leave either.

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Long term

I can dig up your posts of moaning because of last summer's mercato (2014), but I'm not gonna do that. You should be exactly the last person digging up someone's posts.
Please dig them because I said repeatedly afterwards during the course of last season on how much I was proven wrong and how pleasant it felt to be proven wrong in that way. Unlike you, I admit to being wrong and I don't like a coward deny what I said.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Please dig them because I said repeatedly afterwards during the course of last season on how much I was proven wrong and how pleasant it felt to be proven wrong in that way. Unlike you, I admit to being wrong and I don't like a coward deny what I said.
I can't admit something before the situation it concerns actually happened. If we don't end up qualifying for the CL next season, then I'll admit error in my judgment.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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I can't admit something before the situation it concerns actually happened. If we don't end up qualifying for the CL next season, then I'll admit error in my judgment.
Are you still denying that we have become a worse team? Seriously? Is qualifying for the CL equivalent to what we did last season?
 

DUKAC

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Feb 29, 2012
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Porto and Juventus are two different things entirely. We consider ourselves elite, they know they are a big club but not elite. With that mentality they can manufacture and sell to the elite, whereas we see it as a sleight on the club if a player asks to leave to a 'bigger club'.

The other players we sell are either unwanted or we have given concessions on a personal level. Maybe that's not a good way to do business on a financial level but on a personal level you can either hold players ransom, coerce them (and invariably get less out of them), or have them wasting away with a fat salary.

If we were Porto we would have sold Pogba already to the highest bidder, sold Vidal 3 years ago, be selling Dybala in a couple of seasons, would have sold Bonucci. Constantly rotating roster of players because that is what the club is there to do. Be competitive in Serie A? Probably, but winning is different, look what has happened with an unsettled team. It's not Liga NOS where you play nobodies for 2/3 of your fixtures. Competitive in the CL? Definitely not.
I was only referring to a financial aspect of their sales, nothing more.Theirs sums per player are awesome.Not a single player flop,speaking only from the transfer money aspect.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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We didn't sign a player based on one good game against us. It may have emphasised his qualities to us but he was on the radar. There was a post (Paratici thread?) which showed the infrastructure we have with identifying players, it is a process starting from the regional scout to chief scout and then they decide with Paratici and he goes to Marotta. Teams with our scouting network watch thousands of players. Lemina for one played alongside our own Paul Pogba when France won the U20 World Cup, a tournament which every half decent scout from here to Timbuktu is following.
Being scouted and being signed are two completely different things. I'm absolutely sure that Juve have the pulse on most youngsters across the continent and beyond. I'm talking about the context of this particular mercato. While Paratici or Marrotta may well have had Lemina on their shortlist of talented youngsters over Europe, in my personal judgment, I don't think he was in Juve's plans for this mercato, till the time that we played Marseille, sold Vidal, and eventually had Khedira and Marchisio join the casualty ward.

If they had studied him long enough, he probably wouldn't have come on a loan with option to buy either. He would've been a loan with obligation, if they believed enough in his talent and only wanted an extra window to spread payments. It was not a sure shot move for this term like say, a Dybala was for example.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Yeah there is no doubt that Lemina was signed with injuries in mind. I'm also pretty sure we'll be buying him and that this is just a way of diverting payment. We've seen it enough times after all.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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But in the summer you are allowed to make a verdict by claiming the team is better, why is that different?
That was my estimation which may or may not be correct. Always meant in the long run, not after few months into the season.
 

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