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We don't know enough of the situation to make a comment on why he was sold for that price. Everyone is acting like we needed to start a bidding war for him when literally NO CLUB was showing any interest at all in him for two years (I don't take the Man U/Arsenal stories seriously, 99% of that was pure BS). I personally think he's worth closer to €50m, but again, who am I to determine his worth? None of us are privy to the inner workings of football transfers and I think it's best we leave it to those in charge of the club to do what they have to do.
IMO though, he obviously wanted to leave, Bayern had leverage, could obviously offer him a lot more money on a longer contract, so we cut a deal with them as best as we can. It was either that or lose Vidal a year later for €20m, or free a year after. It sucks, but we have lost better players than Vidal in the past. Let's not carry on like a small club would in losing a player. As always Juventus >>>> any player.
IMO though, he obviously wanted to leave, Bayern had leverage, could obviously offer him a lot more money on a longer contract, so we cut a deal with them as best as we can. It was either that or lose Vidal a year later for €20m, or free a year after. It sucks, but we have lost better players than Vidal in the past. Let's not carry on like a small club would in losing a player. As always Juventus >>>> any player.
He deserves the benefit of the doubt, of course.
But we are all following the process. We have enough info, including Marotta's own words, to say that we know how this is working. Vidal is already sold, regardless we find a good AM or not. The ending may be good, but the process looks wrong now. And the price is certainly disappointing, there's not benefit of the doubt on this.
But we are all following the process. We have enough info, including Marotta's own words, to say that we know how this is working. Vidal is already sold, regardless we find a good AM or not. The ending may be good, but the process looks wrong now. And the price is certainly disappointing, there's not benefit of the doubt on this.
There's still too much that is unknown just now.
The price is about right if Vidal only has another three good seasons left in him. If he lasts longer than that, then Juve may have sold him slightly under value.
I'm curious to see how things develop with regards to Goetze/Draxler. If things appear to go quickly with either of them it will suggest Juve were working on things before Vidal's move to Bayern became public.
If things go more slowly with Goetze/Draxler, it suggests Juve may have been caught off guard and have been left in a situation when they are trying to react after somewhat losing control of the situation.
The price is about right if Vidal only has another three good seasons left in him. If he lasts longer than that, then Juve may have sold him slightly under value.
I'm curious to see how things develop with regards to Goetze/Draxler. If things appear to go quickly with either of them it will suggest Juve were working on things before Vidal's move to Bayern became public.
If things go more slowly with Goetze/Draxler, it suggests Juve may have been caught off guard and have been left in a situation when they are trying to react after somewhat losing control of the situation.
It's hard to make assumptions, but we have facts to work with.
1) Vidal is widely regarded as one of the best midfielders of the world, the best box-to-box there is;
2) His contract ends in 2 years;
3) Bayern approached him, he accepted the offer and informed Marotta, who decided to sell.
4) The price of the sell is lower than his value of the current market, specially considering the pound-to-euro value.
5) He was sold before Marotta had an adequate replacement at the AM position.
This is all factual. We don't know if Marotta shopped him out or not; if he didn't receive other offers. But the price indicates that Marotta didn't shop him around, it's an assumption, like many we do everyday when following football.
Also, I don't see this as Marotta didn't have other options. He decided to proceed this way, selling him quickly to go after an AM. But he could have done differently, as far as we know. So considering he had other options, I simply don't agree with how he proceeded, even though the final result can still be good and we'll only know it during the season.
1) Vidal is widely regarded as one of the best midfielders of the world, the best box-to-box there is;
2) His contract ends in 2 years;
3) Bayern approached him, he accepted the offer and informed Marotta, who decided to sell.
4) The price of the sell is lower than his value of the current market, specially considering the pound-to-euro value.
5) He was sold before Marotta had an adequate replacement at the AM position.
This is all factual. We don't know if Marotta shopped him out or not; if he didn't receive other offers. But the price indicates that Marotta didn't shop him around, it's an assumption, like many we do everyday when following football.
Also, I don't see this as Marotta didn't have other options. He decided to proceed this way, selling him quickly to go after an AM. But he could have done differently, as far as we know. So considering he had other options, I simply don't agree with how he proceeded, even though the final result can still be good and we'll only know it during the season.
I think that we know that, because at this point the new signing would be already done, just like Vidal was. Vidal is only pending the medicals.
It's pretty sure that he was sold without a replacement.
Look how different Marotta did with Khedira, for example. Signed the guy before Pirlo announced he would leave. Perfect.
Dybala. Signed him before Tevez decided to leave. Perfect.
Mandzukic. Signed him while Llorente is still with us, but is about to leave. Perfect.
He was working on antecipation and that's why everybody complemented his work. It was outstanding.
But now it's safe to say Vidal is already sold and we still don't have a suitable replacement. And honestly in my book Draxler doesn't seem adequate enough. Too much of a gamble when you lose a rock solid certainty from your team.
It's pretty sure that he was sold without a replacement.
Look how different Marotta did with Khedira, for example. Signed the guy before Pirlo announced he would leave. Perfect.
Dybala. Signed him before Tevez decided to leave. Perfect.
Mandzukic. Signed him while Llorente is still with us, but is about to leave. Perfect.
He was working on antecipation and that's why everybody complemented his work. It was outstanding.
But now it's safe to say Vidal is already sold and we still don't have a suitable replacement. And honestly in my book Draxler doesn't seem adequate enough. Too much of a gamble when you lose a rock solid certainty from your team.
May I just say that on this forum he is considered one of the best in the world. Reading other forums, and listening to pundits from other countries, tells me that they dont rate him nearly highly as much as Juventus fans do.
I'm not saying that their opinion is the correct one on of him (I think in his best form, he is easily a top 5 CM in the world)...but fans of a team will always be highly biased towards a star player. But seeing the opinions of most fans online, most seem to think we are getting a pretty good/fair amount for him.
The simple fact is, if he has asked the club to sell him, and Bayern are the only club that is interested in signing him, that means they have more leverage than we do. Especially when you also factor in his age, contract status, injury problems, and his rather stop/start season. Lucky we are stacked in his position.
I still think that Tevez' departure will hurt us more.
As far as I know he is widely considered one of the best of the world. So you can have an idea, here in Brazil where people don't give a shit about Serie A, he is considered world class.
I'm sure in England it's the same, specially between United supporters.
From what I've read on internet, Bayern fans are ecstatic about the deal, in all senses - sportive and economic. This is telling.
About the leverage, it's hard to say.
My problem here is not even the price, it's the lack of an adequate replacement as a condition to make the deal, because at this point in preseason there might just be none.
I'm sure in England it's the same, specially between United supporters.
From what I've read on internet, Bayern fans are ecstatic about the deal, in all senses - sportive and economic. This is telling.
About the leverage, it's hard to say.
My problem here is not even the price, it's the lack of an adequate replacement as a condition to make the deal, because at this point in preseason there might just be none.
Pretty sure I read something that said Tevez told the Juve management months ago that he wanted to go to Boca. Juve just signed Dybala before the public knew Tevez was leaving.
My point with Vidal and his replacement is that I don't feel that pattern is quite pieced together yet as we don't know when first contacts occurred between Vidal and Bayern, at what point Juve knew of Bayern's interest/Vidal's desire to leave or when Juve started making moves for a trequartista.
It's the lack of information as yet regarding the gap between what was going on in private and what has come out publicly that means I don't think Marotta can be criticised at the moment.
It's entirely possible that you are correct, but we don't know that yet, so it's better to hold off on passing judgement.
My point with Vidal and his replacement is that I don't feel that pattern is quite pieced together yet as we don't know when first contacts occurred between Vidal and Bayern, at what point Juve knew of Bayern's interest/Vidal's desire to leave or when Juve started making moves for a trequartista.
It's the lack of information as yet regarding the gap between what was going on in private and what has come out publicly that means I don't think Marotta can be criticised at the moment.
It's entirely possible that you are correct, but we don't know that yet, so it's better to hold off on passing judgement.