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21-year-old Paulo Dybala can't get into the Argentina squad ahead of Messi, Tevez, Higuain, Aguero and Lavezzi. SELL.
Immobile is 25. We got €8m for him, and he scored three times in the Bundesliga last season.
Zaza is 24, sold for total of €9.5m, we can buy him back and he got 11 Serie A goals, 2 assists.
Berardi is 20, sold for €10m, we can (probably, not confirmed) buy him back, he got 15 goals and 10 assists.
Dybala is 21, got 13 goals and 10 assists, and he's ours.
So... the three players you mentioned, we got €27.5m for. We bought Dybala for €32m, plus €8m bonuses.
The oldest player, with the worst record last season, we got rid of.
The other three, we either own, or have an option on.
Wow, what a Marotta fail.
Immobile is 25. We got €8m for him, and he scored three times in the Bundesliga last season.
Zaza is 24, sold for total of €9.5m, we can buy him back and he got 11 Serie A goals, 2 assists.
Berardi is 20, sold for €10m, we can (probably, not confirmed) buy him back, he got 15 goals and 10 assists.
Dybala is 21, got 13 goals and 10 assists, and he's ours.
So... the three players you mentioned, we got €27.5m for. We bought Dybala for €32m, plus €8m bonuses.
The oldest player, with the worst record last season, we got rid of.
The other three, we either own, or have an option on.
Wow, what a Marotta fail.
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it's funny you say that because it's simply not true. Let me show you:
-Indeed Vidal had a year left and indeed i knew that, thats why i said, we should try to find bargain, meaning opportunities like that.
I sincerely believe that Marotta's strong point lies there, Pirlo and Pogba are amongst his greatest transfer hits. Thats why i insist he can do better at that.
I believe that CM and SS great talents appear in trillions each and every year,thats why most Marotta's free transfers are for these positions, because they are plenty of such targets, there are also plenty of bargains,
for example he found Khedira this year!
What s rarier Marotta cant find for free, Marotta pays, like wingers for example. IMO, we were initially interested on Pereyra for his ability to play in the wings, but Allegri never used him there!
He have used him as a CAM-SS hybrid most of the times. And since Pepe and co is not a valid option for the other wing, the wingers option is now out of the question.
Allegri being great at rotating players, he took the maximum of this player's fitness status and used him very wisely to rest starters or replace them, when they were not available.
MAny of our starters CMs like Vidal and Pogba are good both as CAM and DMS, so when we lacked someone he used the ones who can replace Pirlo and defend at deeper roles and Pereyra a bit forward.
Pereyra is clearly not a Padoin and thats for sure, but he is not anything special either.
Maronne and an army of youngsters that we own, could also fill for that role and if we only seek another CM to rest Prirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio, we got that in Khedira, Koman and Maronne (Padoin too)
Koman in particularly has suffered the most, he has less and less opportunities because of Pereyra and ok last year he was too young, but acquiring Pereyra now, seals his carrier with Juve!
If we were to invest that ammount, we could find a pure winger, 15mil for a 3rd CM sub is just too much, esp considering that Pereyra is not quite 15mil better than Coman or Sturaro.
-Potential? Immobile had potential and we have sold his half for merely 8mil, right in the year he has scored 22goals in serie A...
We have sold Zaza's half for 7.5mil and Berardi's half, Berardi who have scored vs Milan 3 and 4 goals/game, for merely 10mil
What about their potential? They are about the same age and all of them play in the NT as well, (that Dybala never made it there...)
Why are we forced to buy potential for 40mil? With 40mil you demand a proven quality starter! How many of our proven starters are worthy of 40mil in the market?
Potential involves a risk, before we start throwing 40mils on potential new starters, why dont we buy first some 40mil proven starters in place really struggle?
How can we afford to risk 40mil for an SS, when we cant afford 20mil to buy a starter LB or a starter LM?
-We dont have unlimited money, throwing 15mil on a 3rd rate sub, to do a youngsters job, 40mil on "potential", is quite unwise, considering thats most of our budget.
In the light of those, those 20mil on Mandjukic sound far more acceptable. But after having burned those 75mil on those 3 players and considering we have overpaid for the other 2, it was a logical question to ask,
why a player that was at his best and still had some potential to grow even better, only costed 13mil and when he is nearly spent and in decline he is worthy of 20mil.
We were asked to pay 20mil for Llorente back then and Marotta has wisely (market wise) preferred for his contract to expire, why are we now forced to shove those 20mil.
Back then we didnt have the option we have now.
Morata is obviously better than any of them, when we were using Bendtners and Boriellos, yes we should have used those 20mil to get a Mandzukic, but why now?
Why not just get an Immobile/Berardi/Zaza with half of that ammount, better finishing numbers and the "potential" for so much more?
-The 40mil on dybala are unwise considering that he is unproven and might easily flop, we are replacing our best player with an unproven one,
what happens if he fails, where we are to find another 40mil to buy a starter?
And what are we going to use up until then?
No matter if 2 of Vidal, Pogba and Pirlo leave, one of them with Marchisio and Khedira will be above Pereyra's pecking order.
Some goes with the attack, the 20mil Mandzukic is replacing Llorente, who is lower in the pecking order than Morata and if Zaza comes for 18mil, he will be even lower.
So most of our transfer budget again is spent on subs. Again most of our new acquisitions are CM-SSs, again we are lacking some highly specialised players, like dedicated wingers, prolific finishers, who tend to be more expensive, as they are rare to be found.
-My overall point is, that i dont see any improvement considering our strategic plan in the transfer market.
Yes, clearly we are bringing much better material than before, but we are spending much more as well.
Of course now the material we are getting is Juve material, at least as subbers, but the point is how wisely are we spending those 100mil?
Buying 3 subbers and a potential starter/potential flop of the century is opting for quality over quantity?
And what about the gaps in our defence? In previous years we have failed to fill them because we lacked cash.
In my books, buying two proven starters of 40mil and getting back 2 youngsters to fill 3rd subber roles would be a wiser path.
I was dissapointed to see us spending 15mil to keep Pereyra, were i was hoping to see more of Coman.
Those 15mil and further 5-7 generated by Ogbonna's sale could land us a Barzagli successor.
Going in the CL final, we lacked the most Chiellini and we almost play without Barzagli too, yet we always had plenty of CM options.
Seing us yet again to spend most of our budget on new CM and SS subbers suddens me the most, as this is exactly the pattern we have been seing since the Secco days and we are overstacked in these places and dreadly lacking at others.
Luckily though, some late rumors on Rugani and Abdennour gave me some hope that Marotta also have that covered and the defence was not yet again sacrificed in favour of more CM and SSs.
If one of them comes and hopefully Sorensen too, the center of our defense will be upgraded with enough depth, however still no starters.
Will Asamoah return? Will Evra be fit to play another year as a starter? Why invest 15-18mil on Pereyra-Zaza while we are having so many other reliable options ahead of them and let the LB/LM matter completely forgotten?
-In previous years, the Marotta apologists claimed that players didnt want to come to Juve, because Juve is not an attractive destination to them and thats why we had to pay more, for less, now players like Pereyra should actually force the clubs to give them an opportunity to join us, why are we again overspend then?
Why Juve is always overspending, we were overspending when we were not quite popular, we are overspending when we are popular.
We were overspending when we didnt have cash, we are overspending when we do have cash.
When the excussion will stop and Marotta's apologist will admitt that we are overspending because of Marotta?
Because of his mediocre bargain skills? Our club is paying more, because he cant perform better deals for us! We are now in a totally different negotiating position than the day Marotta came here, but we are treated by all clubs, lesser or bigger exactly as we were treated back then. The only constant is Marotta, the previous faulty arguments for his incompetence hold no water now.
-It was said that a proven 40mil prolific finisher would never join us, like Dzeko, Cavani, Higuain, RVP etc not because of Marotta, but because he wants titles, because he wants money we cant afford to give, because he wants CL glory, etc etc
and now we are at CL final, spending those 40mil after 4 consecutive titles and Marotta is still overspending and Marotta is still unable to sell any of our players close to the ammount we gave to buy them.
Look were Napoli stands in the transfer negotiating positions.
They cant promise a title, not even sure appearance in the CL year after year and yet they scout and buy players like Lavezzi and Cavani for 20 mil and then sell them for 100mil,
make players like Hamsik, Zapata, Albiol, Zuniga and Higuain prefer them over us and acquiring them for a fraction of what we would have paid for them.
They clearly are not as attractive destination as we are, but they can get the players we cant and for less that we are giving for much inferior squad players.
And by having a much more inferior budget than us, slowly closing the immense gap that stood among us and compete with us for the title year after year.
We are doing smth wrong here, a player like Zuniga would only join us for an ammount of +15mil,he would be an upgrade to the aged Evra, crippled DC and always injured Asamoah, he would have won titles with us, flory and improve as a player,
but he instead went to Napoli for half of that, has no pope for glory and title and he is merely a subber.
To get Evra nearly before he quit football, we were in a decade long quest for a decent LB and even then, we lacked the cash to buy someone and we had to approach only free agents.
Because Marotta is spending most of our cash on CM and SS subbers...
This is what i want to see us change. Ever since he have joined us Martotta has been failing to buy a starter LB, LM and is unable to approach a prolific finisher to replace the calciopoli loses of Zambrotta, Nedved and Zlatan
Coaches were forced to drop the 4-4-2 because of lack of wingers and wingbacks and opt for a 3-5-2, in order to optimally use the overstacked positions of CM
The best Marotta could do was a DM for the LB role in Asamoah and Evra at 34.
How about one real and proper starter LB or LM? Asamoah and Pereyra are not LBs and LMs, will we never afford one starter LB/LM of Juve material?
Will Barzagli last forever? will we never find another CB than can tackle? Will we always spend 80% of our summer transfer budget on new CMs and SSs?
Will we ever afford to buy a prolific finisher?
-Indeed Vidal had a year left and indeed i knew that, thats why i said, we should try to find bargain, meaning opportunities like that.
I sincerely believe that Marotta's strong point lies there, Pirlo and Pogba are amongst his greatest transfer hits. Thats why i insist he can do better at that.
I believe that CM and SS great talents appear in trillions each and every year,thats why most Marotta's free transfers are for these positions, because they are plenty of such targets, there are also plenty of bargains,
for example he found Khedira this year!
What s rarier Marotta cant find for free, Marotta pays, like wingers for example. IMO, we were initially interested on Pereyra for his ability to play in the wings, but Allegri never used him there!
He have used him as a CAM-SS hybrid most of the times. And since Pepe and co is not a valid option for the other wing, the wingers option is now out of the question.
Allegri being great at rotating players, he took the maximum of this player's fitness status and used him very wisely to rest starters or replace them, when they were not available.
MAny of our starters CMs like Vidal and Pogba are good both as CAM and DMS, so when we lacked someone he used the ones who can replace Pirlo and defend at deeper roles and Pereyra a bit forward.
Pereyra is clearly not a Padoin and thats for sure, but he is not anything special either.
Maronne and an army of youngsters that we own, could also fill for that role and if we only seek another CM to rest Prirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio, we got that in Khedira, Koman and Maronne (Padoin too)
Koman in particularly has suffered the most, he has less and less opportunities because of Pereyra and ok last year he was too young, but acquiring Pereyra now, seals his carrier with Juve!
If we were to invest that ammount, we could find a pure winger, 15mil for a 3rd CM sub is just too much, esp considering that Pereyra is not quite 15mil better than Coman or Sturaro.
-Potential? Immobile had potential and we have sold his half for merely 8mil, right in the year he has scored 22goals in serie A...
We have sold Zaza's half for 7.5mil and Berardi's half, Berardi who have scored vs Milan 3 and 4 goals/game, for merely 10mil
What about their potential? They are about the same age and all of them play in the NT as well, (that Dybala never made it there...)
Why are we forced to buy potential for 40mil? With 40mil you demand a proven quality starter! How many of our proven starters are worthy of 40mil in the market?
Potential involves a risk, before we start throwing 40mils on potential new starters, why dont we buy first some 40mil proven starters in place really struggle?
How can we afford to risk 40mil for an SS, when we cant afford 20mil to buy a starter LB or a starter LM?
-We dont have unlimited money, throwing 15mil on a 3rd rate sub, to do a youngsters job, 40mil on "potential", is quite unwise, considering thats most of our budget.
In the light of those, those 20mil on Mandjukic sound far more acceptable. But after having burned those 75mil on those 3 players and considering we have overpaid for the other 2, it was a logical question to ask,
why a player that was at his best and still had some potential to grow even better, only costed 13mil and when he is nearly spent and in decline he is worthy of 20mil.
We were asked to pay 20mil for Llorente back then and Marotta has wisely (market wise) preferred for his contract to expire, why are we now forced to shove those 20mil.
Back then we didnt have the option we have now.
Morata is obviously better than any of them, when we were using Bendtners and Boriellos, yes we should have used those 20mil to get a Mandzukic, but why now?
Why not just get an Immobile/Berardi/Zaza with half of that ammount, better finishing numbers and the "potential" for so much more?
-The 40mil on dybala are unwise considering that he is unproven and might easily flop, we are replacing our best player with an unproven one,
what happens if he fails, where we are to find another 40mil to buy a starter?
And what are we going to use up until then?
No matter if 2 of Vidal, Pogba and Pirlo leave, one of them with Marchisio and Khedira will be above Pereyra's pecking order.
Some goes with the attack, the 20mil Mandzukic is replacing Llorente, who is lower in the pecking order than Morata and if Zaza comes for 18mil, he will be even lower.
So most of our transfer budget again is spent on subs. Again most of our new acquisitions are CM-SSs, again we are lacking some highly specialised players, like dedicated wingers, prolific finishers, who tend to be more expensive, as they are rare to be found.
-My overall point is, that i dont see any improvement considering our strategic plan in the transfer market.
Yes, clearly we are bringing much better material than before, but we are spending much more as well.
Of course now the material we are getting is Juve material, at least as subbers, but the point is how wisely are we spending those 100mil?
Buying 3 subbers and a potential starter/potential flop of the century is opting for quality over quantity?
And what about the gaps in our defence? In previous years we have failed to fill them because we lacked cash.
In my books, buying two proven starters of 40mil and getting back 2 youngsters to fill 3rd subber roles would be a wiser path.
I was dissapointed to see us spending 15mil to keep Pereyra, were i was hoping to see more of Coman.
Those 15mil and further 5-7 generated by Ogbonna's sale could land us a Barzagli successor.
Going in the CL final, we lacked the most Chiellini and we almost play without Barzagli too, yet we always had plenty of CM options.
Seing us yet again to spend most of our budget on new CM and SS subbers suddens me the most, as this is exactly the pattern we have been seing since the Secco days and we are overstacked in these places and dreadly lacking at others.
Luckily though, some late rumors on Rugani and Abdennour gave me some hope that Marotta also have that covered and the defence was not yet again sacrificed in favour of more CM and SSs.
If one of them comes and hopefully Sorensen too, the center of our defense will be upgraded with enough depth, however still no starters.
Will Asamoah return? Will Evra be fit to play another year as a starter? Why invest 15-18mil on Pereyra-Zaza while we are having so many other reliable options ahead of them and let the LB/LM matter completely forgotten?
-In previous years, the Marotta apologists claimed that players didnt want to come to Juve, because Juve is not an attractive destination to them and thats why we had to pay more, for less, now players like Pereyra should actually force the clubs to give them an opportunity to join us, why are we again overspend then?
Why Juve is always overspending, we were overspending when we were not quite popular, we are overspending when we are popular.
We were overspending when we didnt have cash, we are overspending when we do have cash.
When the excussion will stop and Marotta's apologist will admitt that we are overspending because of Marotta?
Because of his mediocre bargain skills? Our club is paying more, because he cant perform better deals for us! We are now in a totally different negotiating position than the day Marotta came here, but we are treated by all clubs, lesser or bigger exactly as we were treated back then. The only constant is Marotta, the previous faulty arguments for his incompetence hold no water now.
-It was said that a proven 40mil prolific finisher would never join us, like Dzeko, Cavani, Higuain, RVP etc not because of Marotta, but because he wants titles, because he wants money we cant afford to give, because he wants CL glory, etc etc
and now we are at CL final, spending those 40mil after 4 consecutive titles and Marotta is still overspending and Marotta is still unable to sell any of our players close to the ammount we gave to buy them.
Look were Napoli stands in the transfer negotiating positions.
They cant promise a title, not even sure appearance in the CL year after year and yet they scout and buy players like Lavezzi and Cavani for 20 mil and then sell them for 100mil,
make players like Hamsik, Zapata, Albiol, Zuniga and Higuain prefer them over us and acquiring them for a fraction of what we would have paid for them.
They clearly are not as attractive destination as we are, but they can get the players we cant and for less that we are giving for much inferior squad players.
And by having a much more inferior budget than us, slowly closing the immense gap that stood among us and compete with us for the title year after year.
We are doing smth wrong here, a player like Zuniga would only join us for an ammount of +15mil,he would be an upgrade to the aged Evra, crippled DC and always injured Asamoah, he would have won titles with us, flory and improve as a player,
but he instead went to Napoli for half of that, has no pope for glory and title and he is merely a subber.
To get Evra nearly before he quit football, we were in a decade long quest for a decent LB and even then, we lacked the cash to buy someone and we had to approach only free agents.
Because Marotta is spending most of our cash on CM and SS subbers...
This is what i want to see us change. Ever since he have joined us Martotta has been failing to buy a starter LB, LM and is unable to approach a prolific finisher to replace the calciopoli loses of Zambrotta, Nedved and Zlatan
Coaches were forced to drop the 4-4-2 because of lack of wingers and wingbacks and opt for a 3-5-2, in order to optimally use the overstacked positions of CM
The best Marotta could do was a DM for the LB role in Asamoah and Evra at 34.
How about one real and proper starter LB or LM? Asamoah and Pereyra are not LBs and LMs, will we never afford one starter LB/LM of Juve material?
Will Barzagli last forever? will we never find another CB than can tackle? Will we always spend 80% of our summer transfer budget on new CMs and SSs?
Will we ever afford to buy a prolific finisher?
I dont mind criticism, but he has been blatantly lying and goes unpunished. He even managed to present himself as a victim of bullying. Demands free speech, but when he is called out for his bs he plays the victim card.
From a quick glance of his post obvious bs:
Pereyra and Coman are different players, occupying different position in our team, therefore one doesnt exclude the other, but despite of that Cron sees it differently. Napoli didnt qualify for the CL but somehow they closed the gap and are fighting every year for the title, etc...
Should have been thread banned few years ago imho.
From a quick glance of his post obvious bs:
Pereyra and Coman are different players, occupying different position in our team, therefore one doesnt exclude the other, but despite of that Cron sees it differently. Napoli didnt qualify for the CL but somehow they closed the gap and are fighting every year for the title, etc...
Should have been thread banned few years ago imho.
He doesn't have to be special, he is good and easily worth what we paid for him.
Marrone can fill in for Pereyra? Sure, if he wasn't always injured, if he was actually an AM, and if he was actually as good as Pereyra he could definitely replace him
Even if what you said was actually true, and Coman wasn't directly competing with Tevez in our 14-15 formation, Pereyra is more wily, more tactically aware, grittier and quite simply the better player at this stage of his development. We wouldn't have achieved what we did this season with a green kid playing the role Pereyra did.
3rd sub who played 52 games, that's impressive. We must have played at least 200 games this season.
You're wrong about Pereyra so stop fixating on it, get over it.
It's not just potential, he has good stats, but you pay for the future of the player. Do you really think Pogba is worth €80m-€100m for what he brings on the pitch? Of course he's not, you pay for output but also the future of young players like this, and their image. Dybala is the sort of player who brings fans to the table.
And for clarity the fee is €32m + €8m potential bonuses. Those are achievement bonuses. I'd be quite glad to pay the full €40m for the player because it means the player and team has done well. Only a moron would argue against that aspect of the deal, so stick to the €32m fee.
You say it as if paying €40m for any player isn't a risk anyway. There is always some risk but it is lessened by money recovered from the player's image.
You can keep doubting where we spend our money all you like but the proof is in the pudding with all transfers. You want quality and we buy it then you complain it is too much, you want to mine gold with your bare hands. Good luck with that. We can try to get as many bargains as we want but in the end if you want a certain player and can afford them you buy them, that is what we are doing.
Wow, amazing how that works.
Careful, you let the mask slip a little there.
There are no gaps in our defence, just stop.
I'm not in the business of predicting the future, that's your thing. Please keep dumbing down the Pereyra deal and him as a player.
Yeah we overspent on our midfield over the years with Marotta, on our defence, with Tevez.
How about fuck Napoli and your opinion of that pathetic loser team. They don't come close to us in any respect, they don't have anything like the sporting targets we do, so stop comparing us to that trash.
Oh the piper has changed his tune. You wanted a left back and he signed a left back.
You don't like him any more?
He's not a proper left back because he's too old now? You basically look stupid and are backtracking to cover your arse?
Tough shit. He turned out to be a very good left back for us.
Yes, he will last forever. The rest is a shit troll.
Like Higuain, you mean? Or like Tevez?
Here is your infraction and thread ban.
Marrone can fill in for Pereyra? Sure, if he wasn't always injured, if he was actually an AM, and if he was actually as good as Pereyra he could definitely replace him
Even if what you said was actually true, and Coman wasn't directly competing with Tevez in our 14-15 formation, Pereyra is more wily, more tactically aware, grittier and quite simply the better player at this stage of his development. We wouldn't have achieved what we did this season with a green kid playing the role Pereyra did.
3rd sub who played 52 games, that's impressive. We must have played at least 200 games this season.
You're wrong about Pereyra so stop fixating on it, get over it.
It's not just potential, he has good stats, but you pay for the future of the player. Do you really think Pogba is worth €80m-€100m for what he brings on the pitch? Of course he's not, you pay for output but also the future of young players like this, and their image. Dybala is the sort of player who brings fans to the table.
And for clarity the fee is €32m + €8m potential bonuses. Those are achievement bonuses. I'd be quite glad to pay the full €40m for the player because it means the player and team has done well. Only a moron would argue against that aspect of the deal, so stick to the €32m fee.
You say it as if paying €40m for any player isn't a risk anyway. There is always some risk but it is lessened by money recovered from the player's image.
You can keep doubting where we spend our money all you like but the proof is in the pudding with all transfers. You want quality and we buy it then you complain it is too much, you want to mine gold with your bare hands. Good luck with that. We can try to get as many bargains as we want but in the end if you want a certain player and can afford them you buy them, that is what we are doing.
Wow, amazing how that works.
Careful, you let the mask slip a little there.
There are no gaps in our defence, just stop.
I'm not in the business of predicting the future, that's your thing. Please keep dumbing down the Pereyra deal and him as a player.
Yeah we overspent on our midfield over the years with Marotta, on our defence, with Tevez.
How about fuck Napoli and your opinion of that pathetic loser team. They don't come close to us in any respect, they don't have anything like the sporting targets we do, so stop comparing us to that trash.
Oh the piper has changed his tune. You wanted a left back and he signed a left back.
You don't like him any more?
He's not a proper left back because he's too old now? You basically look stupid and are backtracking to cover your arse? Tough shit. He turned out to be a very good left back for us.
Yes, he will last forever. The rest is a shit troll.
Like Higuain, you mean? Or like Tevez?
Here is your infraction and thread ban.
