JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Did read. Didn't even make me smile any more. Fancied talking to myself for 15 minutes.

Pereyra-noone is not worthy of 15mil considering we got Vidal for 10, if we are not forced to buy him, why not try finding another bargain and try out another talent?
Vidal had a year left on his contract, but you know this anyway. Pereyra is also a fine player easily worth that amount.

Unproven Dybala is not worthy of 40mil, considering Napoli got the universally proven Higuain from Real, for that ammount. Jovetic could have come merely for half of that sum.
We are buying potential, world class potential, quality over quantity. Higuain is a choke artist, and funnily enough he doesn't play for the same salary we will pay Dybala. Napoli have to pay Higuain €28m for a three year contract. Dybala at his Juve salary costs €14.6m over the same period. Now, I know you are no Archimedes when it comes to numbers, but that's about half the cost of Higuain!

Jovetic would be fit for half the games, which is why he is half the price.

Bayern got Mandzukic at his best form and age, from a rival team for merely 13mil, whilst we got him for 20mil at the dawn of his carrier.
Mandzukic is a far more established player now, hur dur his values increases.

20mil that we will never be able to recover
and its not like he is the Tevez-like difference maker that can repay that in titles, singlehanding them himself, he is just an average 12/league goals striker...
His scoring record over most of his career is one in two games no matter which random season you pick to suit. He's not a similar player to Tevez, he's not a SS. I repeat, not a SS. Just so we're clear here he is not a SS. Not a SS, fella. A SS he is not.

We are overpaying again like an EPL team, but hopefully this time is for Juve material starters and not merely subs.
But why are we still overpaying? We have reached the CL final and have won the domestic champion for 4 times in a row, why do we still have to overpay players, so that they will join us?
You answered your own question. Do you want quality or do you want quantity? Quality costs money, you might get lucky with a market opportunity but they are rare for quality. Teams don't want to sell quality. You then overpay for quality.

I am curious to see now if this time will we start making profit from sales and recover some of our loses, like the Isla deal, that saw us investing 18mil on him,
We paid €9.4m + €4.5m for Isla. No matter which calculator you use this adds up to €13.9m.

merely to give him away as a loan with an option to buy with half of what we gave for his acquisition. Or Giovinco, that we valued for 25mil, as we have paid 12mil for 50% of his contract.
We paid €11m for 50% of Giovinco, which was offset by his €1m loan and €3m co-ownership to Parma over two seasons.

And starters too, for example how much can we make now out of Vidal or Pogba, who are now globally reknowed?
We aren't trying to sell Pogba, but it's well know that bids are around €80m. I'd rather Marotta didn't sell Pogba or Vidal than prove a point to an internet troll.

Or even from Tevez if he wishes to remain there and have Boca buy his remaining contract?
Tevez is a special case but you know that and are just being a vampire.

So, is our mercato over? Once again we have opted for subs only/mostly? and quantity over quality?
Yes, €32m + €20m quantity, you got it.

Are we going to ignore our defence once again?
Top defence + Rugani.

 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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I don't know how you have the patience to deal with his bullshit @JuveJay but kudos to you. Rekt him again.

I think he should be banned from this thread actually. Like us and a few others are banned from the Conte thread.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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You know what became apparent to me this morning? :D


Marotta & Co. are seemingly cornering the market on youth talent in Italy. And its most certain most will never see a pitch in a Juve jersey but the idea of using them as deal sweeteners has become crystal clear. I came to this conclusion seeing Goldniga sold to Palermo which was probably part of the Dybala deal, right?

As Sergio mentioned we have a wonderful relationship with Sass for loaning and Udinese for buying. It must drive other big clubs mad seeing how effortlessly we deal with other clubs. It's like dealing in bullion when all else fails. Now we see us dealing with Empoli for Saponara. These minnow clubs know they will get something good out of dealing with us which seems to make them more likely to make a deal. We owned Sturaro partically before we bough him out right. Same for Rugani at Empoli.

I know other clubs do it but our recent track record for getting the ones that actually turn out good is fantastic. We are completely in the drivers seat in all areas of the market. I don't think I'm explaining this well enough but does it make sense to anyone? :D
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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what exactly did you mean by we are in the drivers seat in all areas of the market?
Meaning we have the best strategies short term and long term. Also, it seems we are building relationships with other clubs which will be Key to not getting ripped off. Seems to be mutually beneficial relationships that benefit both sides, such as Sass or Emploi, for example.

By "all areas of the market" I don't mean like world wide or continental, more so domestically BUT our foreign youth buys are included in those domestic deals. Furthermore, our financial backing certainly helps give us more pull whereas you see the Milan clubs overpaying for players simply to try and build a quick successful team. I'd be remiss to not mention our Bosman deals as well, which is certainly something we do better than other clubs without a doubt. Our youth policy is looking very fruitful now it seems we are getting our youth sides in order as well.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
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The youth bit has yet to really come to fruition. At the moment they are just pawns in the market for the large part. Grosso and co have been a disaster so far, hard to believe how badly the side under performed and under achieved in the last 2 seasons. OK fair enough the team itself is not of the same quality as of a few years back with the likes of immobile but still you'd think we'd show more with what we invested in that sector. Again it remains to be seen who is brought in to coach the lads next season. I'm still irritated about our lack of ability when it comes to offloading players we are utterly dreadful at that if you ask me
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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The youth bit has yet to really come to fruition. At the moment they are just pawns in the market for the large part. Grosso and co have been a disaster so far, hard to believe how badly the side under performed and under achieved in the last 2 seasons. OK fair enough the team itself is not of the same quality as of a few years back with the likes of immobile but still you'd think we'd show more with what we invested in that sector. Again it remains to be seen who is brought in to coach the lads next season. I'm still irritated about our lack of ability when it comes to offloading players we are utterly dreadful at that if you ask me
I agree about OUR youth primavera side, absolutely. Which is why Grosso needed to go. However, one of our biggest successes is our ability to blend youth with top class players.

Rugani, Coman, Sturaro, Pogba (to an extent), Berardi & Zaza
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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again with the exception of Pogba that has really yet to be seen
Well of course, I see your point. They are youth, if we had already "seen" then they wouldn't be youth players but more established NT players. The point is the promise they are showing isn't something to not acknowledge. Rugani was class for an entire season. You don't find many young defenders that consistent. Stuaro immediately stepped up and was a major help in the 2nd half of the season. Berardi is as consistent as ever. Zaza is the wild card for me. Could be good bench or not at all. Pogba, yes the exception, was an immediate success. Coman is hot and cold but when on his day is a great young player.

All of these are part of our transfer strategies which I eluded to. The club has done quite well blending the older guard with top class players, youth players with a lot of potential and of course bosmans. :D
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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Totally agree @Hustini

It's amazing, how I don't worry about mercato anymore because I know we are in good hands, and I love our policy of signing young players with potential, and almost established players like Pereyra
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Totally agree @Hustini

It's amazing, how I don't worry about mercato anymore because I know we are in good hands, and I love our policy of signing young players with potential, and almost established players like Pereyra
I can't believe all the activity completed already on the market. We wasted no time. :tup:
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Cronios & Turk should be banned from the Marotta thread & transfer threads IMO because they offer absolutely no insight into an opposing opinion. They get proved wrong every single time. Obviously trolling IMO.
 

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