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Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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#23
++ [ originally posted by Desmond ] ++

Few here do,so why don't you share what you know with us?
So, You want me to fill you in because you dont follow your club anymore than watching the matches... Purleeze, help yourself, use the internet... its not as though elkann is ever out of the press or the public eye.
 

Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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#24
++ [ originally posted by Juventinoo ] ++
so this family didn't pay too much for players signning ? what a shame ?
Unbelievable... A juve fan questioning the agnelli family... How about the simple point, that without the Agnelli's there would be no Juventus and wouldnt have been for the last 50 odd years... Or you could go further and say would serie A or italian football in general be anywhere near what it is today without the agnelli family... Probably not

Their contribution to Juventus and to italian football is massive and unquestionable
 

isha00

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Jun 24, 2003
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#25
Well, since I doubt that many of you will do such a research and since Shadowfax doesn’t have time to enlighten us with his knowledge (;)), here is something about him, not much, but still something:


He's one of the grandsons of Gianni Agnelli http://www.ping.be/~jos81/link/philippides/ph470.htm
and he works for fiat in the brand promotion. He's the one that got the idea of the Fiat shirts, that he wears practically everywhere he goes.



He has a story with an italian actress and together they attend a lot of parties. She, Martina Stella, says that they are similar in everything... (let's hope not! :groan:)



He has given a Fiat to Toni before the match against Palermo and this has given an opportunity to the media (and not only to them) to say that we buy not only the refs, but also the players who play against us. Talk about inapropriate...
He has not helped when he said that we had stolen the game against Bologna and it wasn't nice hearing him say that the fact that juve lost against Palermo was not a big deal, because he's a fan of Palermo too..

Although Lapo works for Fiat, the heir to the Ifil empire is his brother John, the favourite grandson of Gianni Agnelli.


(first one on the left)


He entered in the board of directors of Fiat in 1997, when he was 22 years old, and he's now, after the depart of the Agnelli brothers, the vice president of Fiat, president of Itedi (the editorial company of the group) and one of the members of the board of directors of Ifil, the holding that controls Fiat, Juventus and many other companies.
http://www.ifil.it/pagina-modello.asp?IDPagina=20967&AlberoID=38727&Albero=Struttura+del+portafoglio

John is a great juventino and he went/goes often to see the matches at the stadium. Last year he's married Lavinia Borromeo. He has inherited from his parents (Margherita Agnelli and Alain Elkann) a talent in writing. He’s described as an intelligent, shy and reserved person.

An Article about the future of Fiat in the hands of the "new" Agnelli
http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901040614-646329,00.html
 

Juventino

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Jul 27, 2002
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#27
That Martina Stella, daaaamn!!!!
When I saw the movie "The Last Kiss (L'Ultimo Bacio)", I was :eek:

ps. thanks for the effort Isha00
Not everyone has access to THE SUN! :D ;)

Eventhough I've to say I'm more pro Elkann than what seems to be the case with you! :p The little I've heard and read before has been good!
 

isha00

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Jun 24, 2003
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#28
++ [ originally posted by Juventino ] ++


Eventhough I've to say I'm more pro Elkann than what seems to be the case with you! :p The little I've heard and read before has been good!
Yeah, I don't like him very much, was it that obvious? :eek:;)
No, seriously, I don't doubt he's great in his job, but I'd like him not to talk to media about these things when it's not exactly the right moment.. I mean, after the last 2 matches (and with the Fiat workers that keep on losing their jobs) u talk about smiles? To managers that have done the impossible to stay on top without money?
He should be thinking about putting a smile on the workers and don't worry about the smiles on juve, because in may the juventini have often a big :D on their face.

btw, you're both welcome :)
 

Gandalf

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Jul 28, 2003
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#30
if we became like what I think the article is assuming.. I mean buying any available "superstar" out there, then, I'm affraid I'll lose my enthusiasm to cheer for the old lady.. like I lost mine toward chelsea and Real..
 
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    No. Ferrari and Fiat are sister companies controlled by IFIL group.This group is owned in a major part by the Agnelli family......
     

    Ali

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    Jul 15, 2002
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    #38
    Thursday, February 17, 2005
    Roberto Gotta

    All smiles at Juventus?


    It isn't as if Italy did not have enough comical situations in football. Take Monday's general meeting of the Football Association, the FIGC, for instance.

    It resulted in the confirmation of Franco Carraro as president with a 94% majority which would have made Saddam Hussein envious, but he will be succeeded in - get this - mid-term by another well-known and well-connected figure, Giancarlo Abete, so that he'll be free to push Italy's bid to host the 2012 European Championships.

    Carraro himself recently said about the bid, apparently without a hint of irony, 'everything's ready but the stadia', which are among the worst in western Europe, especially in the sections behind the goals. Another column could be filled with all the conspiracy theories being bandied about as soon as the final whistle sounds every Sunday, some of them examples of paranoia worthy of a university thesis.

    But one controversy has filled the pages throughout the past week since it brewed at Juventus, Italy's best-supported club - although you wouldn't know that by the large swaths of empty seats at the Stadio delle Alpi.

    It commanded front-page news in all three sports dailies, whose mere existence is another example of the Italians' abnormal passion not for football itself, but for discussing it and using it as an outlet for God knows what.

    Back at Juventus, then. You may never have heard of Lapo Elkann, but the 27-year old may soon become familiar: a grandson of the late Gianni Agnelli, as a member of the Agnelli family he's a major shareholder of Juventus, although his job is as head of marketing and brand promotion for Fiat, the family's car-making company.

    Just the other week, the flamboyant Elkann, who once worked as an assistant to former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, said: 'I'd like to see a 'smile' on our jerseys... I like Cassano because he's had a tough childhood. He's hard to deal with, but wonderful to watch, and he was our best player at the 2004 European Championships. If dealt with properly, he can become Italy's top talent.'

    Nothing particularly outrageous, and as a marketing man Elkann was probably using a metaphor when he made the reference to the 'smile', the little yellow button with the upturned lips which has come to symbolize a happy face, as you just can't picture Juventus actually putting one of them on their jersey.

    Elkann knows Juventus may have the biggest fan base in Italy, but are intensely disliked - more than any other club - by everyone who does not support them, and you have to go back to the age-old accusations of excessive influence on referees to understand why.

    That the current trio of top directors (chief executive Antonio Giraudo, general director Luciano Moggi and vice president Roberto Bettega) hardly look like the types you'd invite to liven up your party probably had a big influence on Elkann's words, but the poor guy - although poor is not a word you'd normally associate with him - probably had no idea of what would happen next.

    Giraudo hit the roof and hit back during the same radio show, on RIN Radio, that had aired Elkann's words.

    He said: 'Without a smile, we won five Scudettos, eight Cups, 2 Golden Balls and three Viareggio Tournaments (Italy's top youth event). Juve are one of the more financially stable clubs in Italy, and we managed this without the Agnellis pumping money into the club coffers for the last ten years. Elkann's words now make me smile, because when he mentions being ambitious and signing Cassano he surely means that the Agnelli family will resume investing in Juventus like Berlusconi, Abramovich, Moratti, Sensi and the owners of other top clubs have been doing for years'. Ouch.

    You are free to take sides in this, of course. There's no questioning the policy that has brought Juventus back from their early Nineties crisis which saw the Agnelli turn day-to-day control of the club from Giampiero Boniperti, who had presided over most of the Bianconeri's triumphs in the Seventies and Eighties, to Giraudo, Bettega and Moggi.

    On the other hand, hostility towards Juventus has grown, as part of an escalating trend towards contentiousness which has been bringing Italian football on his knees more each week.

    Many neutral fans resent the fact that Juventus quietly established some kind of alliance with Milan, although they recently seem to be growing distant from their scudetto rivals (as it should be, of course), and one of the rumours doing the rounds is that Elkann's words mean the Agnelli family may want to wrestle control of the club back from Giraudo.

    Fiat president Luca Cordero di Montezemolo is an ally and friend of Fiorentina owner Diego Della Valle, the most vocal opponent of league chairman (and Milan vice president) Adriano Galliani who has recently stated that Giraudo is his best friend in football and has always had Juve's backing.

    As for Giraudo, someone in the press reminded readers that he was once a Torino fan and was rumoured to have flashed a rude gesture at the then Juve directors after Torino scored a vital goal in a derby match years ago, but that would mean unfairly exposing a situation which is hardly unique in Italian football.

    Owners or top directors rarely are former fans of their current clubs and are most likely to be local entrepreneurs who eye the opportunity of gaining fame and recognition, along with a huge amount of attrition. Or they are serial owners who jump from town to town in search of the perfect combination of fan base, TV rights and national exposure, and perhaps the chance to build a new stadium because the old one, of course, is outdated.

    Fans of Leeds United may look at Ken Bates' arrival with suspicion, but what about Livorno, owned by former Genoa boss Aldo Spinelli, or Genoa itself, where Como's major shareholder of a couple of years ago, Enrico Preziosi, is now in charge?

    Both of them, and countless others, do not find anything unusual or morally wrong in offering themselves as saviours of ramshackle franchises. Nothing that any coach and player wouldn't do, of course, and although the figure of the local-born rich guy who steps in and brings a moribund club to success is one we'd all like to see, it is a mythical more than an actual one, given the current situation.

    Real life saviours, too, are bound to fall under the microscope of over-ambitious fans: more than ten years ago Giuseppe Gazzoni Frascara snatched Bologna from the yawning gates of oblivion, rescued them from bankruptcy and led them from Serie C1 to Serie A, but as recently as two weeks ago a banner in the home end told him in no uncertain manner that the fans want more.

    As a vocal proponent of more rigour in football and an outspoken critic of the clubs who have amassed millions in back taxes and are using those euros to buy players instead of getting their situation in order with the IRS, Gazzoni is one of the few Serie A owners who doesn't bite off more than he can chew, or at least tries to do so.

    His refusal to extend the contracts of a few players in mid-season has also prompted criticism in some quarters, but is going to be a good lesson for some players who apparently believe they're world-beaters after stringing together a couple of good performances and immediately knock on the owner's door.


    On the topic of winning and being liked, then, no final judgment can be made. The history of football- the history of the world, in fact - shows that people who are consistently winning in a competitive environment will soon lose the empathy of neutral observers, and will be as much hated as they are loved by their own fans.

    Of course, Juventus have always enjoyed a higher profile and have therefore been under the microscope more than most, but Elkann's words come at a critical time for the club this season.

    After losing twice in four days at the beginning of February, they beat Udinese 2-1 last Sunday and kept a two-point lead on Milan, but the much anticipated (there will be actual people inside the Stadio delle Alpi for the return leg) Champions League second round tie with Real Madrid will already prove one of the campaign's litmus test for Capello. His intense persona, so the joke goes, matches the serious side of the Juventus' brass pound for pound.

    Adding to this state of affairs is the Del Piero situation: Capello does not appear to consider him a starter, not now with Ibrahimovic going strong and Trezeguet just back from injury, but Del Piero's cult status among many fans and his likeable demeanour mean Capello's been cast as the villain in the whole saga, and the fact Moggi praised his coach for the way he's been using Juve's number 10 says all there's to say about the situation.

    So, the next time you see Juve on TV, check out Capello and the shots of Moggi, Giraudo and Bettega in the stands. If they smile, they must be on candid camera. There's no other explanation.

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    Interesting reading.
     
    Aug 1, 2003
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    #39
    Thought it was rather humorous :)

    I just want to comment on one thing - I admit I know not much bout the Elkann brothers but regarding his Cassano statement, why is it that all of you are so 'excited' over that? I know that Cassano's an arse and everything, but stating he wants Cassano isn't THAT bad - Cassano after all I personally think is a good player and should he fit well in Juve could do many things for us. I dont think there should be any boundaries in whom should be in Juve as long as they contribute to the club and our results
     

    isha00

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    Jun 24, 2003
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    #40
    Elkann can want in juve whoever he wants, as long as he provides money. If he doesn't, then it's better that he keeps his mouth shut, because his words could destabilize the team.
     

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