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mate

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Aug 28, 2002
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#42
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
oh, oh, I get it. Um I don't really participate in the Buffon forums because I criticise Buffon a lot and I really think that he was a mistake for Juve to buy, and I just don't think that those are productive things to say in a Buffon fan's forum.
Really you think that to buy Buffon was a mistake?
I don't know if we can say he's the best in the world, but he's in bests IMO and considering the age he can also improuve and get more mature. He's garanee 4 nearly 10 years...
He may not have Kahn iron personality but I don't see many episode in which we can complain with Buffon 4 something...

I belive you when you say you had a hard time when you criticised Buffon... the forum is so paked by his fans :)

From some old posts I excanged you as a Buffon fan too, but maybe, cause I haven't follow pasts discussions about the argument I didn't catch that they was ironic...
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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#43
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++


oh, oh, I get it. Um I don't really participate in the Buffon forums because I criticise Buffon a lot and I really think that he was a mistake for Juve to buy, and I just don't think that those are productive things to say in a Buffon fan's forum.
definitely i dont think that buffon was a step back. Buffon´s deal was definitely an improve, considering the bad last season of vander sar.
The only complain i have about buffy, is that in some shoots, he dont jump to catch the ball. Lately i have seen some goals that in my opinion, he could have stopped, or at least try to stop.

But this is not always. The do a lot for the team in almost all the games, in most of the goals are defense faults.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#44
++ [ originally posted by mate ] ++
Really you think that to buy Buffon was a mistake?
I don't know if we can say he's the best in the world, but he's in bests IMO and considering the age he can also improuve and get more mature. He's garanee 4 nearly 10 years...
He may not have Kahn iron personality but I don't see many episode in which we can complain with Buffon 4 something...

I belive you when you say you had a hard time when you criticised Buffon... the forum is so paked by his fans :)

From some old posts I excanged you as a Buffon fan too, but maybe, cause I haven't follow pasts discussions about the argument I didn't catch that they was ironic...
Well, I don't hate Buffon or anything contrary to popular belief and I am a goalkeeper fan at heart, so I have accepted that Buffon is the future of Juve and when I say things like Buffon is Juve's best player, or he should be captain, it isn't sarcasm, but at the same time, I know that he isn't the best keeper in the world, and it would have been better business to keep VDS, and not buy Buffon.
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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#46
Financially speaking, Buffon was overpriced, of that there can be no doubt, there are only a few keepers on his level though and none is so young as Gigi.

I'm certainly glad we've got him now, and he should be our number one for many years to come.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#48
++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
i think we got a great deal.

like tom said, we won't have any GK headaches for years!
Actually, we've wasted three very very good GK prospects in Carini, Bonnefoi, and Mirante, who will all never play for Juve because of Buffon. Furthermore, VDS was the best keeper in Serie A regardless of the so-called blunders. We paid a lot of money and ended up wasting a lot of talent and ultimately weakening our defensive structure. That's not a great deal in my book.
 

mate

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Aug 28, 2002
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#49
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
Well, I don't hate Buffon or anything contrary to popular belief and I am a goalkeeper fan at heart, so I have accepted that Buffon is the future of Juve and when I say things like Buffon is Juve's best player, or he should be captain, it isn't sarcasm, but at the same time, I know that he isn't the best keeper in the world, and it would have been better business to keep VDS, and not buy Buffon.
Yep I got the point :)

IMO we did a good business to buy him cause he can be ouers goalkeeper 4 an entire "ciclus" like Zoff and Tacconi did, Zenga 4 Inter, ecc... I think is very important 4 a team to count on a goalkeeper without having trouble every year like 4 example Milan and Roma often do.
I don't think he was so overpriced... the money were a lot but few years ago all the players costed more than now and in Gigi case it was an investiment 4 many many years, so it was wort it. Maybe the mistake was to buy him when he was already famos and expensive while we could maybe do it before (Parma soon or late always sell their stars).
IMO is more a "crazy business" to buy a 30 years old soccer legend like ZZ or Figo than to invest in young player who can garanee you for 10 years in a key role.

About who is the best golie in the world... well that's a good argoment! I like Buffon a lot and I don't see anything to complain with him, but sometimes is true when I see Kahn he impress me more also if I can't say exately why. Maybe (beeing a goalkeeprt too) you can notice more things than us about in what Gigi can improuve...
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#50
++ [ originally posted by mate ] ++
About who is the best golie in the world... well that's a good argoment! I like Buffon a lot and I don't see anything to complain with him, but sometimes is true when I see Kahn he impress me more also if I can't say exately why. Maybe (beeing a goalkeeprt too) you can notice more things than us about in what Gigi can improuve...
Yeah, Kahn is a technically perfect goal keeper and he is one of the best at almost every other aspect of keeping from ball handling to distribution to leadership. His only weakness is his temper. Buffon is technically superb, but I've noticed a few minor flaw sin his game, for instance he loses his bearings when moving right to left across the goal, and his kick out dives are weak to the right side. And he certainly needs work on leadership, ball handling, and distirbution.
 

mate

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Aug 28, 2002
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#51
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
Actually, we've wasted three very very good GK prospects in Carini, Bonnefoi, and Mirante, who will all never play for Juve because of Buffon. Furthermore, VDS was the best keeper in Serie A regardless of the so-called blunders. We paid a lot of money and ended up wasting a lot of talent and ultimately weakening our defensive structure. That's not a great deal in my book.
That's true... buying Buffon we spent on an already famos player while the best deal is always to take players right before they become stars (like Carini 4 example). But I guess Juventus didn't want to take any risck in a key role like the goalkeeper that's why they went straight on him. I think it was the right thing to do...
 

mate

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Aug 28, 2002
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#52
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
Yeah, Kahn is a technically perfect goal keeper and he is one of the best at almost every other aspect of keeping from ball handling to distribution to leadership. His only weakness is his temper. Buffon is technically superb, but I've noticed a few minor flaw sin his game, for instance he loses his bearings when moving right to left across the goal, and his kick out dives are weak to the right side. And he certainly needs work on leadership, ball handling, and distirbution.
Well that's an amazing analys! :thumb:

Kahn temper is IMO (as for everybody) a natural aspect who in some cases create positive aspect (strong personality, determination, leaderschip) and in the other side problems. Maybe just at the end of his career he will learn to moderate himself and to take just the positive aspect of his temper.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#53
++ [ originally posted by mate ] ++
Well that's an amazing analys! :thumb:

Kahn temper is IMO (as for everybody) a natural aspect who in some cases create positive aspect (strong personality, determination, leaderschip) and in the other side problems. Maybe just at the end of his career he will learn to moderate himself and to take just the positive aspect of his temper.
Exactly, I think that Kahn's temperment is generally an asset to him and his team, but it can be a hinderance, where as Buffon is a steady player, but his lack of fire or enthusiasm has a negative effect on the team. I never see him get real fired up, he's kinda like Lippi...
 

Nekton

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Oct 22, 2001
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#54

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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#55
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
That's not a great deal in my book.
Indeed this is correct, but we have him now, and that has rid us of any goalkeeping uncertainty over the next years to come
 

vitoria_Ally

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
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#56
++ [ originally posted by Nekton ] ++


http://216.127.66.92/~admin200/buffon/misc_videos/020918_feyenoord_anger.avi

He's not always that calm you know ;)
Reading Ian's post I had exactly the same on my mind. He can be really furious!
Or there is some video, when he didn't agree with some Collina's decision, and this situation from match with Inter: aftet that strange goal scored by Toldo - I think it was he.
He can show his temper, when he get mad.

And I saw one more video, not from the match: and he was as furious as during Feyenoord match.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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#57
I don't really remember either of those incidences that well, but I've never seen Gigi get fired up in a good way.
 

Nekton

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Oct 22, 2001
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#58
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
I don't really remember either of those incidences that well, but I've never seen Gigi get fired up in a good way.
It is true he usually don't start screaming and looking really fired up after making a good save.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
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#59
I find it amazing that people are saying that Buffon is calm, he is not, he has such a bubbly personalty and thats why he was such a hero at Parma and now at Juve

Not because he is a very good keeper but because he is the kind of character that ppl take to

I remember Buffon saving a penalty from Ronaldo at Parma, the ball was still in play and Buffon was busy jumping up and down and celebrating with the fans behind his goal, it would have been disatrous if Inter scored as Buffon was not in the goal, he was celebrating with the fans

Also you do see him get upset when he loses a goal in which he is not happy with and shows it

The only keeper i know that goes completely beserk is Scmeichel and I personally don't think thats a good thing

33m is way too much for a goal keeper no matter how young but like Tom said I won't change Buffon for anyone but that was no good deal
 

mate

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Aug 28, 2002
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#60
++ [ originally posted by Rickenbacker2 ] ++
Exactly, I think that Kahn's temperment is generally an asset to him and his team, but it can be a hinderance, where as Buffon is a steady player, but his lack of fire or enthusiasm has a negative effect on the team. I never see him get real fired up, he's kinda like Lippi...
I also think Gigi do not have the same "fire" of Kahn but IMO it not mean that he doesn't have it at all.

On other osservation I can make is that a temperament like Kahn may be dangerous in Juventus, especially with Lippi as a coach... Sometimes we complain about ther's no players in Juve with a strong personality who looks like leaders also outside the field (Nedved looks like it just during the matches) but my opinion is that this is exately what Lippi want. A group non single players. His strongs "metods" also in things apparently useless are probably 4 this pourpose.

That's may be the reason why Buffon's personality emerged more in the Parma period than now.
 

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