Gianluigi Buffon (74 Viewers)

[Maddy]

I sincerely hope Buffon doesn't apologize for his actions. Fuck Oliver the cunt; he should learn to deal with the pressure that comes with being a referee. I'm definitely not condoning the death threats and attacks as that is disgusting, but Buffon is not responsible or liable for people's retarded behavior and reactions. Also, what he said, unfiltered and candid, in the heat of the moment, should not be held against him. Perhaps he should have worded things more carefully, and he admitted to that, but there's no reason to issue a full apology.

I'm glad to see there's hope for you.

But yet, you as an example call Oliver a cunt, and liek most other people in this tribe, so many of you ignore:

a) The penalty and the red card were not incorrect calls and nowhere near the so-called robbery

b) Michael Oliver didn't ref a bad game. If not for the correct penalty and red card people wouldn't have cried this hard

Meanwhile post the game, when Gigi have had every single chance to calm down, he keeps repeating that Oliver killed the dream, that Oliver wasn't qualified, that Oliver wanted to be the "protagonist". Gigi's arguments to why Oliver shouldn't call the penalty are beyond stupid. Bad defending and Ronaldo killed our dream, not Oliver.

I understand Buffon during and just after the game, but that he can't distance himself from his feelings after everything he has experienced and look at the situation with more nuances is sad.

The plethora of pathos from Buffon speaks right in to the heart of the tribe, but it's unnuanced, wrong and nothing but "me, i'm the victim".

Even if I was excessive, I said what I thought, that he should not have given that penalty. A referee with more experience would not have blown his whistle and decided not to become the protagonist of the match. He would’ve left it running, turned around and let the two teams fight it out in extra time. Let the pitch do the talking.

Argument: you don't call the penalty 'cause we are late in the game and because you don't wanna be the protagonist. Such nonsense, if there is a penalty - which there was - he arguably would have robbed Real more than Juve by not calling it.

Right there, you cannot ask a man who lives sport as deeply as I do to be balanced, because even if I expressed these feelings in an exaggerated way, they were still logical thoughts.

Logical thoughts? Buffon expressed the exact of opposite of logic.

I’m sure Oliver will have a great career in future, but he’s too young to officiate a match like that. The beauty, the imponderable nature of football, means that unfortunately this young man found himself in a situation that was too complex, too garbled and too big for him to deal with.

Ad hominem, where he blames Oliver personally for a correct call. Claiming is was to complex, garbled and big for him. Putting extreme pressure on a ref doing his job.

So at the end of the day, what I said after the match, I don’t hold any rancour towards Oliver. I’m not even angry with him. It all ended there, but naturally in the heat of the moment one does feel I’m not saying penalised… I felt defrauded. Not defrauded of the result, but of the night. It was a night that can never be repeated.

"I don't hold any rancour, but"-argument. Again all about him, me, I. You weren't defrauded by Oliver, dear Gigi and claiming that is simply a sign of lack of integrity.

It wasn’t a situation where you could say: 'That is definitely a penalty.’ I’m not saying it wasn’t a penalty, I am saying it was a dubious situation. In a game like that, 20 seconds from the end, a dubious situation is not going to be enough for an experienced referee to transform everything. In my view, an experienced referee would make a different evaluation.

It might have been a penalty, but still..

Ps. I enjoy all you alls ad hominems, it's incredible to see how personal a lot of you get, when someone do not share your expected tribalism.

 

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[kao_ray]

In my view there wasn't a penalty and Oliver did a terrible job with this decision. Also keeping in mind that Madrid's players didn't get a yellow for simulations and Dybala was sent off because of a simulation, also the penalty against Cuadrado in the first leg compared to the Vazquez situation... I'm glad that Buffon was so emotional and angry. Finally someone with huge prestige stormed out and it was Gigi. Let's hope he'll never apologize.

English refs are also one of the worst, Atkinson was f-ing terrible at the Manchester derby.

Forza Buffon

 

[Maddy]

In my view there wasn't a penalty and Oliver did a terrible job with this decision. Also keeping in mind that Madrid's players didn't get a yellow for simulations and Dybala was sent off because of a simulation, also the penalty against Cuadrado in the first leg compared to the Vazquez situation... I'm glad that Buffon was so emotional and angry. Finally someone with huge prestige stormed out and it was Gigi. Let's hope he'll never apologize.

English refs are also one of the worst, Atkinson was f-ing terrible at the Manchester derby.

Forza Buffon

You need to be able to separate Cakir and Oliver, otherwise you are simply fooling yourself.

 

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Correct call. Clearcut penalty.

 

[kao_ray]

You need to be able to separate Cakir and Oliver, otherwise you are simply fooling yourself.

What I am pointing out is:

-the refs are too biased in favor of Real and the others so called favorites and this should end
-Gigi's outburst was heavily influenced by the previous referees decisions when we've been multiple times slaughtered
-Obviously the establishment needs a huge hit in the face to change things - putting VAR in CL games, removing and sanctioning refs when they make bad calls

-and also, very importantly, make clear rules for fouls, diving, wasting time, penalties, yellow and red cards and enforce them religiously. I don't wanna see in one game it's OK to have some tough clashes between players and the other game a soft touch is a penalty.

You can't leave the most prestigious football tournament in the World to be decided by some dubious refereeing decisions.

 

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Is okay. Gigi just "lacks integrity" and is "beyond stupid" here.

Half the football world thinks it wasn't a penalty. But they are all stupid too. Very clearcut, penalty 110% of the time.

 

[Wittl]

A good piece on Buffon. Fanboys shouldn't read it, it might challenge your cognitive bias.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-tainted-legacy-vile-rant-Michael-Oliver.html

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In before ad hominem and other fallacies

I agree with Tom Daley for speaking out. World of sports needs more people like him, hopefully the next one will be a relevant guy doing a relevant sport.

 

[juve123]

What I am pointing out is:

-the refs are too biased in favor of Real and the others so called favorites and this should end
-Gigi's outburst was heavily influenced by the previous referees decisions when we've been multiple times slaughtered
-Obviously the establishment needs a huge hit in the face to change things - putting VAR in CL games, removing and sanctioning refs when they make bad calls

-and also, very importantly, make clear rules for fouls, diving, wasting time, penalties, yellow and red cards and enforce them religiously. I don't wanna see in one game it's OK to have some tough clashes between players and the other game a soft touch is a penalty.

You can't leave the most prestigious football tournament in the World to be decided by some dubious refereeing decisions.

Would Michael Oliver have called it penalty if juve player had gone down in penalty area of real Madrid

 

[kao_ray]

What Michael Oliver have called it penalty if juve player had gone down in penalty area of real Madrid

No, because it wasn't a penaly.

 

[Maddy]

What I am pointing out is:

-the refs are too biased in favor of Real and the others so called favorites and this should end
-Gigi's outburst was heavily influenced by the previous referees decisions when we've been multiple times slaughtered
-Obviously the establishment needs a huge hit in the face to change things - putting VAR in CL games, removing and sanctioning refs when they make bad calls

-and also, very importantly, make clear rules for fouls, diving, wasting time, penalties, yellow and red cards and enforce them religiously. I don't wanna see in one game it's OK to have some tough clashes between players and the other game a soft touch is a penalty.

You can't leave the most prestigious football tournament in the World to be decided by some dubious refereeing decisions.

Real-favouritism is a thing, albeit not to a degree that destroys football; Ronaldo and current status play a large part in that

We are a part of the establishment

Different refs, different human beings, different games. If you expect a sport with clear cut rules and not difference in line, I assume chess is your game.

Dubious decisions have always been a part of football (Muntari goal? Btw. who were the goalkeeper in that game), even VAR can't change that. Besides VAR wouldn't have changed the penalty call.

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I agree with Tom Daley for speaking out. World of sports needs more people like him, hopefully the next one will be a relevant guy doing a relevant sport.

 

[juve123]

No, because it wasn't a penaly.

It was obvious that real Madrid players were diving all through the 90 minutes but no yellow cards was shown that is why Vasquez took a chance went down to the ground as he knew that Michael Oliver might award a penalty

 

[kao_ray]

We are a part of the establishment

We are part of the officials???

Different refs, different human beings, different games.

This is why we need strict rules. Referees are too influential. And if the strict rules says that Benatia made a foul and VAR points out that it is a penalty - VAR will point out in the first leg that there was a penalty against Cuadrado. And if Dybala gets a yellow for a simulation, half the Madrid team deserves one too. And so on, and so on.

 

[Maddy]

It was obvious that real Madrid players were diving all through the 90 minutes but no yellow cards was shown that is why Vasquez took a chance went down to the ground as he knew that Michael Oliver might award a penalty

Yes, he had a long deliberate consideration in that situation.

It was a penalty.

[video=twitter;984178429665992704]https://twitter.com/MrTomMcDermott/status/984178429665992704[/video]

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This is why we need strict rules. Referees are too influential. And if the strict rules says that Benatia made a foul and VAR points out that it is a penalty - VAR will point out in the first leg that there was a penalty against Cuadrado. And if Dybala gets a yellow for a simulation, half the Madrid team deserves one too. And so on, and so on.

Of course we need to have as uniform calls as possible, but it's becoming whataboutery in terms of Buffon and Oliver. The first game, Cuadrado and Dybala are irrelevant in this regard.

 

[kao_ray]

Yes, he had a long deliberate consideration in that situation.

It was a penalty.

[video=twitter;984178429665992704]https://twitter.com/MrTomMcDermott/status/984178429665992704[/video]

Ok, I'll accept that it is a penalty if you show me a game with the same magnitude that has an identical penalty call which is overwhelmingly accepted as fair.

 

[juve123]

Ok, I'll accept that it is a penalty if you show me a game with the same magnitude that has an identical penalty call which is overwhelmingly accepted as fair.

You need to watch the Madrid derby where Vasquez tries to win penalty kick by diving and is shown a yellow card

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Yes, he had a long deliberate consideration in that situation.

It was a penalty.

[video=twitter;984178429665992704]https://twitter.com/MrTomMcDermott/status/984178429665992704[/video]

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Of course we need to have as uniform calls as possible, but it's becoming whataboutery in terms of Buffon and Oliver. The first game, Cuadrado and Dybala are irrelevant in this regard.

By that logic there would be five or six penalties in each game

 

[Maddy]

Ok, I'll accept that it is a penalty if you show me a game with the same magnitude that has an identical penalty call which is overwhelmingly accepted as fair.

Didn't you just call for uniformity in calls?

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By that logic there would be five or six penalties in each game

Whataboutery.

 

[juve123]

Especially during corner kick there should be penalty given every time one player holds the shirt of another player

 

[kao_ray]

Didn't you just call for uniformity in calls?

Stop avoiding the argument - show me a similar penalty call in big game.

And yes - I am about uniformity in calls. If this situations are called for everybody - I'll accept it.

Show me another incident like that

 

[JuveJay]

A good piece on Buffon. Fanboys shouldn't read it, it might challenge your cognitive bias.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-tainted-legacy-vile-rant-Michael-Oliver.html

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In before ad hominem and other fallacies

Oliver Holt is a tosser and always has been, regardless of this article.

 

[Maddy]

Stop avoiding the argument - show me a similar penalty call in big game.

There is no argument. You are shifting burden of proof. A mere fallacy.

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Oliver Holt is a tosser and always has been, regardless of this article.

Ad hominem