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So one will be rated of worthy by blindly fallowing prayers and kneeling? I don't get it. It's like turk was outraged by a muslim act of beheading because of tattoo but not by actual fact of beheading. Seems trivial.
I'm not making fun or taking a piss I'm just curious guys so don't attack me, but would someone blindly doing all the rituals and not actually contributing to the society in a positive manner be more worthy then the one who contributes and does good deeds but ignores all the rituals (ramdan, morning prayers and etc)?
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Plus this is kind of ridiculous cos it "seems" to me every group interprets differently what are those that needs to be practiced and what not. And every party thinks they are right. So divide is not the god, but the trivial (to me) rituals.
I'm not making fun or taking a piss I'm just curious guys so don't attack me, but would someone blindly doing all the rituals and not actually contributing to the society in a positive manner be more worthy then the one who contributes and does good deeds but ignores all the rituals (ramdan, morning prayers and etc)?
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Plus this is kind of ridiculous cos it "seems" to me every group interprets differently what are those that needs to be practiced and what not. And every party thinks they are right. So divide is not the god, but the trivial (to me) rituals.
ًWhy would we attack you, Raz? 
Anyway, when you commit to rituals, you are not automatically in Heaven. You have to be very positive in your community by being a good person, encouraging the good things and asking people to stop doing the bad things. Quran and Sunna (The words and acts of Prophet Muhammad) dealt almost with everything that you may pass during your life. You can use them to be a good person.
By the way, choosing "blindly" word to describe the committing to rituals is really funny. Why do football players "blindly" commit to football rules? Don't you think it is much more important to be committed to the rituals imposed by their creator instead of those imposed by FIFA?
Anyway, when you commit to rituals, you are not automatically in Heaven. You have to be very positive in your community by being a good person, encouraging the good things and asking people to stop doing the bad things. Quran and Sunna (The words and acts of Prophet Muhammad) dealt almost with everything that you may pass during your life. You can use them to be a good person.
By the way, choosing "blindly" word to describe the committing to rituals is really funny. Why do football players "blindly" commit to football rules? Don't you think it is much more important to be committed to the rituals imposed by their creator instead of those imposed by FIFA?
Football rules are a bit different, they change and evolve with times. Not to mention other sports where evolution is even more evident and more fast.
And I don't think that religions differ on things like help your neighbour and be positive. I have never seen any religious person who would disagree with that. What i find ridiculous is people disagreeing on trivial things (at least to me those look trivial).
And I don't think that religions differ on things like help your neighbour and be positive. I have never seen any religious person who would disagree with that. What i find ridiculous is people disagreeing on trivial things (at least to me those look trivial).
Well as long as the 5 rituals can be implemented anytime, why would they evolve ever?
You see them trivial in the same way somebody may see that not using hand while playing football is a very trivial and unimportant thing. Football rules have another opinion though. They simply say that if you want to qualify to the next round, you have these rules to be worthy of that. One of them is not using your hand while playing
You see them trivial in the same way somebody may see that not using hand while playing football is a very trivial and unimportant thing. Football rules have another opinion though. They simply say that if you want to qualify to the next round, you have these rules to be worthy of that. One of them is not using your hand while playing
I'm not a believer. I didn't do that leap of faith to any religion.
But what you claim there is a bit extreme. And I'm trying to talk here not about differences and why you chose to believe in this religion and not other. I'm curious why believing in god should be limited to rituals and cultural things.
If everybody believes in god (but are in different religion with all those differently fun things they do differently) wouldn't it be more good for everybody to look for similarities and try to live together rather then look for differences and why the other side is wrong?
This happens even in the same religion muslims with all their sects, christians all their protestantism and the rest of their things. It seems that majority try to cling to the differences rather then try to find similarities.
I loved my time in Nepal, so many different "gods" and different religions but they acknowledge them and look for what is common to them rather the look for what would divide.
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Not unless you score more then the opponent. You can use hands as much as you like if you win the game in the end. But this is a bit different imo and cannot be compared.
But what you claim there is a bit extreme. And I'm trying to talk here not about differences and why you chose to believe in this religion and not other. I'm curious why believing in god should be limited to rituals and cultural things.
If everybody believes in god (but are in different religion with all those differently fun things they do differently) wouldn't it be more good for everybody to look for similarities and try to live together rather then look for differences and why the other side is wrong?
This happens even in the same religion muslims with all their sects, christians all their protestantism and the rest of their things. It seems that majority try to cling to the differences rather then try to find similarities.
I loved my time in Nepal, so many different "gods" and different religions but they acknowledge them and look for what is common to them rather the look for what would divide.
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Not unless you score more then the opponent. You can use hands as much as you like if you win the game in the end. But this is a bit different imo and cannot be compared.
All the sects of Muslims have the same five rituals. The differences are on minor details during implementing these rituals. For example, Sunnis and Shia do the same prayer, but Sunnis while standing during the prayers put their right hand on their left hand. Shia put their hands beside their hips. Does that make their prayer wrong? Nobody can say that as long as it is not mentioned in Quran or Sunna
It is not Kufr to ask about anything in religion, brother.
It has no contradiction as the verses in Quran where "The Forgiving" name was mentioned it meant that he forgives the wrongdoings committed by his worshipers, while "The Avenger" is mentioned always at Quran verses which are talking about the enemies of the religion as a whole.
It has no contradiction as the verses in Quran where "The Forgiving" name was mentioned it meant that he forgives the wrongdoings committed by his worshipers, while "The Avenger" is mentioned always at Quran verses which are talking about the enemies of the religion as a whole.
That is totally right. Now, we can go back to the Sunni-Shia thing. It is a political conflict, Raz, not a religious one. For example, I think what some Shia are doing when they hit themselves badly at Ashura day and bleed (Like in the attached picture) is very wrong, but that does not make me consider them as non-Muslims.
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Of course, No. If you have any other names that you find contradictory please mention them
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Of course, No. If you have any other names that you find contradictory please mention them
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Ok, but in muslim religion politics and religion go hand in hand? Like a proper muslim state should be rum by muslim law? Don't you find that this is not the way to go for the better of everybody? I mean politics will always exploit differences and put gas to the fire in even the smallest difference. Religion is something personal and imo should be left like it, less conflicts this way.
What about christian and muslim? This is a religious division not a political one? But the god is the same there.
And personal question @ReBeL if I may. What you consider a true muslim? One who believes in god allah or one who fallows quaran note for note?
What about christian and muslim? This is a religious division not a political one? But the god is the same there.
And personal question @ReBeL if I may. What you consider a true muslim? One who believes in god allah or one who fallows quaran note for note?
A country that is abiding by Islamic law is not a country that forces Non-Muslims to convert to Islam by coercing them. This is the main thing that makes Non-Muslims wary of seeing an Islamic state. If you are asking about my personal opinion, I think that having an Islamic country is not that bad thing but it needs to be implemented carefully without exaggerating as some people think. For example, not allowing a woman to drive a car has nothing to do with Islam, just as an example.
About Islam and Christianity, now there are religious differences but that did not stop people from living side by side for centuries in the region. Using religion as an excuse to attack the other party was used by the two parties for political reasons. It has nothing to do with religion. I do not know if you know the story when Jerusalem was seized by Muslims at the beginning of Islamic era. The Muslim Leader at that time was Omar Ibn Alkhattab. The Christian religious icon in Jerusalem refused to give the keys of the city to anybody but the main leader. That is why the leader Omar went from Mecca to Jerusalem. In order not to have any problems with Christian in the future, he refused to pray inside the church and ordered his people to build a mosque there. He believed that Muslims can live side by side with Christians without harming each other. That is why he did not destroy the church for example, or even he did not pray inside it. Christians were forced though to pay a jezya "It is like a tax in lieu of being protected in that community without having to be a part of the army"
Regarding your last question, it is not about my personal opinion. It is Islam's opinion that you have to abide by the orders of Allah to be considered as Muslim. I do not qualify to be able to say that this person is a good Muslim, bad Muslim or even a Non-Muslim.
About Islam and Christianity, now there are religious differences but that did not stop people from living side by side for centuries in the region. Using religion as an excuse to attack the other party was used by the two parties for political reasons. It has nothing to do with religion. I do not know if you know the story when Jerusalem was seized by Muslims at the beginning of Islamic era. The Muslim Leader at that time was Omar Ibn Alkhattab. The Christian religious icon in Jerusalem refused to give the keys of the city to anybody but the main leader. That is why the leader Omar went from Mecca to Jerusalem. In order not to have any problems with Christian in the future, he refused to pray inside the church and ordered his people to build a mosque there. He believed that Muslims can live side by side with Christians without harming each other. That is why he did not destroy the church for example, or even he did not pray inside it. Christians were forced though to pay a jezya "It is like a tax in lieu of being protected in that community without having to be a part of the army"
Regarding your last question, it is not about my personal opinion. It is Islam's opinion that you have to abide by the orders of Allah to be considered as Muslim. I do not qualify to be able to say that this person is a good Muslim, bad Muslim or even a Non-Muslim.
