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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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@Bjerknes according to this logical analysis it's all a play. If you have time just watch the first 15 minutes.
Thanks for posting. It's an interesting take, especially since the media covers things in such a black and white manner, when in reality we have multiple factions that are standing to gain from a possible conflict. People always say, "oh, Russian news is all Kremlin disinfo," while at the same time they believe everything from anonymous sources at the Pentagon or intelligence services. That's why it's hard to have a strong opinion on whether there will be an invasion or not, especially when the Biden admin has blamed Russia for all sorts of nonsense for years.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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Thanks for posting. It's an interesting take, especially since the media covers things in such a black and white manner, when in reality we have multiple factions that are standing to gain from a possible conflict. People always say, "oh, Russian news is all Kremlin disinfo," while at the same time they believe everything from anonymous sources at the Pentagon or intelligence services. That's why it's hard to have a strong opinion on whether there will be an invasion or not, especially when the Biden admin has blamed Russia for all sorts of nonsense for years.
I'm confused just as you. Those guys could be completely wrong but their hypothesis makes sense.

The bad thing (for me at least) is that Russia is playing along and winning a lot in a diplomatic sense. The big EU nations are ready to make tons of concessions while it looks like Russia didn't plan an invasion but US media and government used a possible Ukrainian war only as a political tool. Honestly this Biden administration looks like the most retarded thing ever.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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Seems more opinion based than fact based. By the way, not saying they are wrong or right, I have no idea either.
I agree. I posted it because it makes sense and it's a different narrative than the panic from mainstream media. Who knows? Maybe the MSM got things right this time.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I'm confused just as you. Those guys could be completely wrong but their hypothesis makes sense.

The bad thing (for me at least) is that Russia is playing along and winning a lot in a diplomatic sense. The big EU nations are ready to make tons of concessions while it looks like Russia didn't plan an invasion but US media and government used a possible Ukrainian war only as a political tool. Honestly this Biden administration looks like the most retarded thing ever.
I can honestly say it is the most retarded thing ever, because Biden is basically a retard at this point. Actually, Biden should be very thankful to Russia and Putin, because without them Trump would have a second term. The major news stories before the last election surrounded Trump's ties with Russia, which absolutely affected the outcome of the election. Now Biden's handlers can draw upon Russia once again to divert attention away from their own miserable failures.

The problem might not be that Putin wants to invade. But the problem could be it only takes one bomb going off somewhere, one false flag attack by one faction on another faction, or whatever to kick things off since everyone is on a state of readiness. Sort of like the film Sum of All Fears.

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Seems more opinion based than fact based. By the way, not saying they are wrong or right, I have no idea either.
Some of it is opinion, but the dude is actually in Ukraine, and actually just returned to Kharkiv. So he's putting his money where his mouth is.

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I mean look at this guy... who the fuck would trust him, other than fellow sociopaths.

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Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Some of it is opinion, but the dude is actually in Ukraine, and actually just returned to Kharkiv. So he's putting his money where his mouth is.
I watched a couple of minutes. The guy in the hat started to talk about military bases. He clearly doesn't know what he talking about. And there was not such military build-up last April. I hope all other "analysis" he provides is at least has some research behind it, and he didn't just pull it out of his expert ass.

Btw, I am in Kharkiv too. So I can be just Tuz own eyes or boots on the ground. AMA
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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The problem might not be that Putin wants to invade. But the problem could be it only takes one bomb going off somewhere, one false flag attack by one faction on another faction, or whatever to kick things off since everyone is on a state of readiness. Sort of like the film Sum of All Fears.
Like back when @piotrr attacked our radio station and forced us into a war we never wanted.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I watched a couple of minutes. The guy in the hat started to talk about military bases. He clearly doesn't know what he talking about. And there was not such military build-up last April. I hope all other "analysis" he provides is at least has some research behind it, and he didn't just pull it out of his expert ass.

Btw, I am in Kharkiv too. So I can be just Tuz own eyes or boots on the ground. AMA
Good to know, hope nothing happens. :tup:

How many different factions are in Ukraine that would want to start a war? Are there any?
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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I watched a couple of minutes. The guy in the hat started to talk about military bases. He clearly doesn't know what he talking about. And there was not such military build-up last April. I hope all other "analysis" he provides is at least has some research behind it, and he didn't just pull it out of his expert ass.

Btw, I am in Kharkiv too. So I can be just Tuz own eyes or boots on the ground. AMA
According to this there really was a war scare last spring.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-and-ukrainian-spring-2021-war-scare
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Have they done anything like evacuate in past conflicts?
No, at least not in the same way. And there is no ground for evacuation at all. It's a ploy, but we don't what's the goal yet.

Btw, just an update. Russians never carried about civilians in this war (maybe we can even extrapolate this on all the Russian wars). In this hybrid warfare, the tactics are the same, for example as an artillery guy something close to me – they move into a neighborhood where some people still live, launch Grads, move out before we can answer. If we do – start weeping your eyes out about Ukrainian fascists shelling civilians, if we don't – rinse repeat.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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