Apparently corruption, bad leadership, and months without wages for police and army speed things up...
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The thing is, I don't believe the US has any imperative to help. I really don't know what the solution in a country like Afghanistan is. I don't know enough about Afghanistan, but I'm very familiar with the Iraqi, Syrian and Libyan situation where these extremist groups took control over large parts of the country for certain periods.
and it really isn't as simple as you're making it to be. Sure, it's an Islamic country and in areas where there are lots of poor and uneducated people. So perhaps there are some people dumb enough to support them. But usually the majority doesnt. But its not like you can do much in situations like these. The Afghan army isnt able to resist them, what do you expect of normal civilians?
These groups are organized, armed, and somehow always manage to get funding. And they have large groups of youth who are either fully indoctrinated, or motivated by money and the promise of women slaves. They are today's barbarians, make no mistake about that. But i just don;t see a way out to be honest. American airstrikes will slow them down, but wont stop them.
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Exactly, and that kind of corruption is entrenched in their culture. That's why the only realistic solution that has proven to work in these kind of countries is a secular dictatorship. If you're lucky, you get a benevolent dictator that tries to build something like you have in some gulf state countries. Otherwise, as hard as it is for me to say, a Saddam or an Assad is 10 times better than the next alternative.
and it really isn't as simple as you're making it to be. Sure, it's an Islamic country and in areas where there are lots of poor and uneducated people. So perhaps there are some people dumb enough to support them. But usually the majority doesnt. But its not like you can do much in situations like these. The Afghan army isnt able to resist them, what do you expect of normal civilians?
These groups are organized, armed, and somehow always manage to get funding. And they have large groups of youth who are either fully indoctrinated, or motivated by money and the promise of women slaves. They are today's barbarians, make no mistake about that. But i just don;t see a way out to be honest. American airstrikes will slow them down, but wont stop them.
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Exactly, and that kind of corruption is entrenched in their culture. That's why the only realistic solution that has proven to work in these kind of countries is a secular dictatorship. If you're lucky, you get a benevolent dictator that tries to build something like you have in some gulf state countries. Otherwise, as hard as it is for me to say, a Saddam or an Assad is 10 times better than the next alternative.
Because most of them actually want Sharia law.
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bro at least he is European. Have you encountered an average Afghan?
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Yes running away from communism. Yet he doesn't want that same opportunity extended to others. So now we have to bear with him constantly trying to remind us he's a white German that doesn't want "immigrants" coming to "his country" 
Yes running away from communism. Yet he doesn't want that same opportunity extended to others. So now we have to bear with him constantly trying to remind us he's a white German that doesn't want "immigrants" coming to "his country"
Everytime a terror attack footed in fundamental [fill in religion that is not Islam] occurs I will give that group as much shit as I give your dear brothers Look, nobody is fooled by your le fancy worldly businessman self-presentation You are seething warrior of the sword who would live under sharia ten times over before standing up against it once. The ethno-religious loyalties of a big majority of African and Middle East refugees in a SHTF situation couldn't be clearer.and what's that 'you escaped communism' narrative anyway
deflection and deception in the name of muhammad (pbuh)
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Everytime a terror attack footed in fundamental [fill in religion that is not Islam] occurs I will give that group as much shit as I give your dear brothers Look, nobody is fooled by your le fancy worldly businessman self-presentation You are seething warrior of the sword who would live under sharia ten times over before standing up against it once. The ethno-religious loyalties of a big majority of African and Middle East refugees in a SHTF situation couldn't be clearer.and what's that 'you escaped communism' narrative anyway
deflection and deception in the name of muhammad (pbuh)
Well I'm comfortable with my identity at least. You can try it out too, its much more liberating than pretending you're not an immigrant.
It's going to be horribly ugly. But that was probably true even without the US intervening. So if anything, the US created a window of a couple decades to delay victimization.
The Afghanis are still human. Meaning they're probably split and have sectarian hate over their disagreements. For every woman who can get an education, there's a dude who feels that God is being spit on.
Remember that Afghanistan is immensely tribal, and a "national" army may not have much interest in risking their life for some random assed tribe across the country they never interact with. Afghanistan is a little like the Arab and African world in this way: national borders are an external construct hoisted by former colonizers on a distributed and diverse (and sometimes nomadic) bunch of people who question a lot of these notions of national borders.
The Afghanis are still human. Meaning they're probably split and have sectarian hate over their disagreements. For every woman who can get an education, there's a dude who feels that God is being spit on.
Remember that Afghanistan is immensely tribal, and a "national" army may not have much interest in risking their life for some random assed tribe across the country they never interact with. Afghanistan is a little like the Arab and African world in this way: national borders are an external construct hoisted by former colonizers on a distributed and diverse (and sometimes nomadic) bunch of people who question a lot of these notions of national borders.
